IBE Epistane, PCT, overview/advice

KaOs42

KaOs42

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Looking to run an IBE Epistane cycle in the next couple of weeks, tell me if this looks like a promising approach to run this cycle and keep as much gains as possible. THIS IS MY FIRST PROHORMONE, have been researching for past 2 years, waited until minimum recommended age. Looking to put on a solid amount of mass while decreasing my bodyfat to around 6-7%. A couple questions I have are how to dose the EPI with organ support and joint support (how many hours between the organ/joint supplements and EPI) and is halotest-25 a better choice as a first time prohormone/lean mass gains (as I have heard mixed reviews on the gains put on by Epistane)

STATS:
5"10
201lbs @ 10% bodyfat
21 years of age
lifting past 5 years CONSTANTLY

CYCLE:
2 weeks preload of organ support supplements + joint supplements and run continuously throughout cycle + PCT

IBE Epistane @ 20/30/30/40 (possibly extending to 6 weeks @ 50/50 depending on sides/feeling)

Nolva @ 20/20/20/20

PES Erase @ 0/0/3/3/2/1

Activate Xtreme @ recommended until bottle is done
Lean Xtreme @ recommended until bottle is done
OR...
DAA bulk powder at 3g/3g/3g/3g

(which one would you recommend?)

thank you for any input
 
Epistane doesn't kick in until week 3-4 so you will want to run it 6 weeks. Nolva would be fine at 20/20/10/10 and just go with DAA. Much cheaper and effective
 
I was thinking the same @ 6 weeks but thats more of a decision I will make 4 weeks deep

I will probably go with DAA because of cost/reviews

thank you for your input!
 
Epistane kicks in a lot sooner than 3 weeks. 3 - 5 weeks is suggested cycle length by IBE and many choose to pulse epi
 
I have heard mixed reviews on when epistane actually kicks in, probably depending on the user. That is why I am going to run it 4 weeks for sure with an alternative 6 week cycle depending on my own personal experience/gains/sides/ect. I looked into pulsing epistane but I have not read many people doing it? Maybe my search bar is broken but off the official site it sounds like the only reason to pulse epistane is to reduce sides (probably recommended more for people with an OTC PCT in mind or in other words, not a clue) with nolva on hand would you really recommend pulsing?

Thank you for your reply!
 
You can't control who makes logs it is a personal choice. When you look at how many logs are available for epi there arent a whole lot compared to the amount of people who have used epi..same goes for the pulsing method...since less people do this you are going to see less logs. Anyway, when you pulse you are going to get less sides and less gains..but also less shutdown... when you think of the androseries they are basically a "pulse" method since the actives go down at night and your body can regain some LH/fsh while you sleep. People usually like to get results FAST so many will not bother with pulsing. I havent tried it myself yet but I am sure I will in the future. I personally prefer slow steady gains over fast gains that you have to battle to maintain during pct.. but that's just me. Just using nolva, daa, and erase in pct should be fine. Your cycle looks good. good luck.
 
Now this pulsing method is really making me curious because I definitely don't want a major shutdown (big fear) and I am not looking for a fast result pill as many do (no this is not a spring break get into shape for 1 week to get attention lol :p). With the pulsing method could you run a cycle longer without the unwanted side effects or would that make no sense at all since your giving up 1 extreme (amount) and replacing it with another (length)?

thank you
 
KaOs42 said:
Now this pulsing method is really making me curious because I definitely don't want a major shutdown (big fear) and I am not looking for a fast result pill as many do (no this is not a spring break get into shape for 1 week to get attention lol :p). With the pulsing method could you run a cycle longer without the unwanted side effects or would that make no sense at all since your giving up 1 extreme (amount) and replacing it with another (length)?

thank you
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Like I said I have not personally done it before. I am not telling you to pulse. You will be fine with how you laid out your cycle. I dont want to give you advice steering you the wrong way; what you have laid out is fine. There is a whole 200 page thread on pulsing if you are interested.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/62121-how-pulse-orals.html
 
IMVHO a pulse is *better* with harsher compounds that kick in fast. That and said compounds pulsed on top of a test base would be ideal. I think a pulse has its place, but not for most, and not really with something like epi.
 
ManBeast said:
IMVHO a pulse is *better* with harsher compounds that kick in fast. That and said compounds pulsed on top of a test base would be ideal. I think a pulse has its place, but not for most, and not really with something like epi.
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well theoretically a pulse would work without a test base. Since the idea is you don't really get shutdown much due to having off days and taking your dose only pre/post w/o. In practice idk though never tried it "Dr. D" in that thread seems to like it tho lol
 
I don't believe that a pulse will not shut you down given enough time, I don't think our bodies are that "dumb"
 
ManBeast said:
I don't believe that a pulse will not shut you down given enough time, I don't think our bodies are that "dumb"
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Over a very long period of time I would surely agree. running a 4 day per week pulse for a max of 6 weeks and a 3 day pulse for a max of 8 weeks seems safe with a short (2 week) pct afterwards.. doesnt seem like such a bad thing. I'll prob try it over the summer with some bloodwork. Really got to experiment with your own body is what it comes down to.
 
I'd love to see your bloodwork if you wouldn't mind, I've yet to see much of that with regards to pulsing.
 
ManBeast said:
IMVHO a pulse is *better* with harsher compounds that kick in fast. That and said compounds pulsed on top of a test base would be ideal. I think a pulse has its place, but not for most, and not really with something like epi.
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I would agree with this (hope handjob is not around since he will cry like a whore again)......save the pulsing for something harsher, like SD...I like your pulse on W/O days only with the SD....I am for sure gonna pulse the SD with ABv3 and also with Deca/AMv2-3. Epi does seem like something that should be run for 6 weeks if you ask me.....seems to work better over time. But hey, everybody reacts different....and some seem to like pulsing the epi. trial and error I suppose....find what works for you.
 
bigdavid said:
well theoretically a pulse would work without a test base. Since the idea is you don't really get shutdown much due to having off days and taking your dose only pre/post w/o. In practice idk though never tried it "Dr. D" in that thread seems to like it tho lol
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didn't matt porter have some idea about pulsing this or that and doing PCT stuff at night and/or on off days? something like that? the pulse plus PCT deal I guess would keep you from getting shutdown. If I recall it correctly.....
 
ManBeast said:
I'd love to see your bloodwork if you wouldn't mind, I've yet to see much of that with regards to pulsing.
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Yeah for sure. I am just unsure when to do the bloodwork while pulsing.. I have fresh bloodwork so I know my baselines.. let's see: If I workout MT RF.. maybe get the bloodwork Thursday morning so that way ill be two days off and a little fresh.

WARBIRDWS6 said:
didn't matt porter have some idea about pulsing this or that and doing PCT stuff at night and/or on off days? something like that? the pulse plus PCT deal I guess would keep you from getting shutdown. If I recall it correctly.....
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Yeah the androseries is sort of like pulsing when you think about it since the exogenous hormone goes way down at night time.
 
Im sure in the future I will try out this pulse method with harsher orals and that post Dr. D posted is very interesting. Im not extremely worried about the shutdown from EPI since most people report little if any sides. I am definitely going to be running it for 6 weeks since most support this idea, would something like 20/30/30/30/40/40 work? or should I bump these doses? i was initially considering running 20/30/30/40/50/50
 
KaOs42 said:
Im sure in the future I will try out this pulse method with harsher orals and that post Dr. D posted is very interesting. Im not extremely worried about the shutdown from EPI since most people report little if any sides. I am definitely going to be running it for 6 weeks since most support this idea, would something like 20/30/30/30/40/40 work? or should I bump these doses? i was initially considering running 20/30/30/40/50/50
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either of those would work.....I didn't have any sides and my BP stays steady at 122/72 on the stuff with supplementation of course....so I jumped it up a few times more than i had originally planned.....did 30/40/40/50/50/ and will bump to 60 monday for a week, hope I don't get any surprises this coming week LOL
 
Epi 20/30/30/40/40/50
Cycle assist

Pct
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
Activate xtreme recommend dosage
DAA 3gr for 4weeks
Lean extreme or erase 0/0/2/3/3/2/1
Pct assist
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
either of those would work.....I didn't have any sides and my BP stays steady at 122/72 on the stuff with supplementation of course....so I jumped it up a few times more than i had originally planned.....did 30/40/40/50/50/ and will bump to 60 monday for a week, hope I don't get any surprises this coming week LOL
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LOL i hope you don't get any surprises this weekend either! good luck! i hope i dont get any surprises in the next few weeks :p
 
Thank you for your post punjabimunde!

why, if you dont mind me asking, would you suggest lean extreme OR erase, as I was unaware that they were similar at all?
Also activate xtreme and DAA, as i thought those did the same thing?
DAA, activate xtreme, and PCT assist are, to my knowledge, all test boosters - wouldnt that be overkill?

thank you for your opinion (:
 
One last question before i dive nuts first

When on cycle how do i dose organ support supplements, taurine, joint support with my epi (how long between doses of support supplements and epistane and how do i split it throughout the day?)

was thinking based on research

9am- 10mg epi
1pm- support supplements (taurine)
2pm- 10mg epi [20mg when dose raises] (workout)
7pm- support supplements (joint+organ)
12am- 10mg epi + ZMA for sleeping (final week of 50mg a day)
 
Erase is both an anti-aromatase and cotrisol control:
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KaOs42 said:
Thank you for your post punjabimunde!

why, if you dont mind me asking, would you suggest lean extreme OR erase, as I was unaware that they were similar at all?
Also activate xtreme and DAA, as i thought those did the same thing?
DAA, activate xtreme, and PCT assist are, to my knowledge, all test boosters - wouldnt that be overkill?

thank you for your opinion (:
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Erase and lean extreme are both AI so just use one...I go with erase...
 
DAA, activate and pct assist all these won't be overkill...
 
Start taking support supps one week before and keep taking them through the cycle...it doesn't matter when take em...and epi you can dose like this...

20mg- one in morning and one after 8hrs
30mg- one in morning and after 6hrs and another one after 6hrs
40mg- every 4hrs
 
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