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Eric160

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never ran an injectable cycle before. as most peoples first cycle i intend to run test only. the trend seems to be that most ppl run 500mg test e for 12 weeks. at the moment i only have acess to test prop so i intend to run it for 8 weeks at 150mg eod averaging 525mg per week. Because ive read that test prop tends to cause less bloat then test e i have 2 questions. first if anyone can tell me the science behind why test p causes less bloat then enthanate. second, because of this does a test p cycle require a lower dose of an ai then a test e cycle. i would like to stay as dry as possible without inhibiting gains.
 
With 150mg eod u mean 600mg/week. Well with test p the propionate ester life is roughly 2 days hence the reason why u pin EOD. This short ester life also means there will b less aromatization meaning less bloat because there will b much less estrogen conversion. Prop, enanthate, and cyp all have the same capacity to convert to estrogen but of course prop will have less time to convert because it will clear from your system much faster. U could dose your AI the same with prop, enanthate or cyp its just a matter of how much bloat u want to keep off. I'd do .25mg arimidex EOD on prop personally. I hope I've helped u out.
 
Manbeast had his fingers on the keys, waiting to chastise both you guys....you both BARELY made it out of this w/o an ass skinning :D consider yourselves lucky LMFAO....
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
Manbeast had his fingers on the keys, waiting to chastise both you guys....you both BARELY made it out of this w/o an ass skinning :D consider yourselves lucky LMFAO....
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Lol my bad bro, I got on a scientific level and sh*t, u feel me haha.
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
LOL, I know....just messing with you.....you always give out good info on here....we can't all be fixated on PCT.....leave that shyt for gerbilly and manbeast :D
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Lol seriously. I cleared my inbox too btw.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Lol seriously. I cleared my inbox too btw.
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Oh I just repped you so it was just a rep PM. Dem mailboxes get filled in a hurry, and it notifies you like 3 messages before its full to warn you. Like you check your email every second :D we need like a dozen messages to go warning or something.
 
machorox123 said:
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yeah pct is all lined up this isnt my first cyclr ever just the first time ive had acces to inject i have plenty of nolva to do 40/40/20/20 and still gotta get all the support supps usually i use some brand of daa and erase along with it. not that i cut corners on pct but i recover freakishly easy seriously.
 
Eric160 said:
yeah pct is all lined up this isnt my first cyclr ever just the first time ive had acces to inject i have plenty of nolva to do 40/40/20/20 and still gotta get all the support supps usually i use some brand of daa and erase along with it. not that i cut corners on pct but i recover freakishly easy seriously.
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That's good to hear bro. U thinking of throwing in an oral just for fun?
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
With 150mg eod u mean 600mg/week. Well with test p the propionate ester life is roughly 2 days hence the reason why u pin EOD. This short ester life also means there will b less aromatization meaning less bloat because there will b much less estrogen conversion. Prop, enanthate, and cyp all have the same capacity to convert to estrogen but of course prop will have less time to convert because it will clear from your system much faster. U could dose your AI the same with prop, enanthate or cyp its just a matter of how much bloat u want to keep off. I'd do .25mg arimidex EOD on prop personally. I hope I've helped u out.
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600mg a week how do u figure? since weeks have 7 days u would be doing 3 injections one week and 4 the next. 3+4=7x150=1050/2=525. just saying. anyway i ask this question because gains r the first priority but astetically i would like to appear as dry as possible without inhibiting gains. so basically im trying to figure out what the lowest dose of an ai that can be used. from my knowlage i rarely experience any estrogen related sides from any cycle ive run or even in pct ive never had puffy or even sensitive nips on cycle or pct of anything. u may think this is a dumb question but have u ever heard of someone running this with no ai at all. like in the old days or am i better of just too. i already have liquid adex on hand
 
Eric160 said:
600mg a week how do u figure? since weeks have 7 days u would be doing 3 injections one week and 4 the next. 3+4=7x150=1050/2=525. just saying. anyway i ask this question because gains r the first priority but astetically i would like to appear as dry as possible without inhibiting gains. so basically im trying to figure out what the lowest dose of an ai that can be used. from my knowlage i rarely experience any estrogen related sides from any cycle ive run or even in pct ive never had puffy or even sensitive nips on cycle or pct of anything. u may think this is a dumb question but have u ever heard of someone running this with no ai at all. like in the old days or am i better of just too. i already have liquid adex on hand
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Yeah my bad I wasn't averaging the number the out. If u have no estrogen related sides then just use your arimidex as needed IMO. Some ppl just r lucky and don't have to use AIs until their pct.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
That's good to hear bro. U thinking of throwing in an oral just for fun?
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yeah i have a few bottles of epi enough for 6 weeks at a pretty high dose. stuff makes me feel great and drys me out i wanna run it for the last 6 weeks after the test kicks in. however that poses a new question will the anti e properties of the epi make me need less of an ai. i dont really care about the bloat cuz im so conserned with how i look but the women in my life mom and girlfriend are always the first to pick up when im on juice hahaha. my mother always calls me out and is always right. she grew up with a bunch of guidos in the 80s so i guess she knows what to look for lol. so im afraid if i puff up too quick ill never hear the end of it hahaha
 
Eric160 said:
yeah i have a few bottles of epi enough for 6 weeks at a pretty high dose. stuff makes me feel great and drys me out i wanna run it for the last 6 weeks after the test kicks in. however that poses a new question will the anti e properties of the epi make me need less of an ai. i dont really care about the bloat cuz im so conserned with how i look but the women in my life mom and girlfriend are always the first to pick up when im on juice hahaha. my mother always calls me out and is always right. she grew up with a bunch of guidos in the 80s so i guess she knows what to look for lol. so im afraid if i puff up too quick ill never hear the end of it hahaha
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Lol haha u read my mind bro. I am a firm believer that epi has anti-e properties, I've never dried up so good in my life. That could allow u to use less of an AI or even not at all. Just play it by the mirror and how u feel. I'd say 40/40/50/50/60/60?
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Lol haha u read my mind bro. I am a firm believer that epi has anti-e properties, I've never dried up so good in my life. That could allow u to use less of an AI or even not at all. Just play it by the mirror and how u feel. I'd say 40/40/50/50/60/60?
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its 18mg pills so yeah it would be something like that. so just say if i do use .25mg adex eod just to be safe thats not gona be enough to inhibit gains is it?
 
Eric160 said:
its 18mg pills so yeah it would be something like that. so just say if i do use .25mg adex eod just to be safe thats not gona be enough to inhibit gains is it?
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No that's not gonna crush your estrogen bro.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
No that's not gonna crush your estrogen bro.
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you know what? I am 3/4 done with epi at 30/40/40/50/50/60.....and I have been doing 2 Erase Pro per day OR (just this past few days) 5 regular Erase per day. and I feel fine as if its killing the estrogen but not crushing it....I am big time estrogen prone though, so I'm like a handful out of 100 guys I suppose....just sayin that some people can benefit from extra estrogen suppression.....
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
you know what? I am 3/4 done with epi at 30/40/40/50/50/60.....and I have been doing 2 Erase Pro per day OR (just this past few days) 5 regular Erase per day. and I feel fine as if its killing the estrogen but not crushing it....I am big time estrogen prone though, so I'm like a handful out of 100 guys I suppose....just sayin that some people can benefit from extra estrogen suppression.....
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The OP doesn't even get estrogen sides though, so he has nothing to worry about.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
The OP doesn't even get estrogen sides though, so he has nothing to worry about.
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Yeah that's why i always qualify that statement with the fact its only a small portion that are estrogen fuqed like that/me lol
 
DR: so, what is the science behind prop causing less bloat than enan, it just don't make sense to me, i would think that the slower release of test from enan or cyp would present less to be aromatized at any given time. I really have no idea here and would like to know after all these damn years!
 
ManBeast said:
DR: so, what is the science behind prop causing less bloat than enan, it just don't make sense to me, i would think that the slower release of test from enan or cyp would present less to be aromatized at any given time. I really have no idea here and would like to know after all these damn years!
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Well its actually the slower release of E and C that allows more to aromatize. Think of it like a car that can accelerate to 200 mph in 5 secs, and another that can accelerate to 200 mph in 7.5 secs, the one that can accelerate quicker will finish the race faster, and that is the car u want. Pretty much the shorter the ester life, the less time it has to aromatize.
 
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