Test/EQ/Anadrol/Dbol cycle

itsgroll

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The more I talk around here and on other forums, it seems everyone has their own take on what works best for them. I keep putting out there different ideas that some like and others reject. Here is another possibility, a little less harsh but solid...

Week 1-4: Anadrol 50/50/50/50
Week 1-12: Test E 250 Mondays & Thursday Mornings
Week 1-12: EQ 200 Mondays & Thursday mornings
Week 3-17: hCG 250iu Mondays & Thursday Evening
Week 11-14: Dbol 50/50/50/50
Week 14-17 nolva 20/20/20/20
Week 14-17 clomid 100/75/75/50
Week 1-17 Exemestane 12.5mg EOD
 
I don't think they are gonna like the abombs to start AND the dbols to finish :D you want to incorporate them green giants and dbols in one way or the other don't you lol just use them for 4 week kickstarts on 2 different cycles.....on the positive side, manbeast just had a projectile orgasm over your PCT...he loves it that much LMFAO
 
LoL he pm'd me, and while I didn't see anything wrong with the abombs and dbols in there, I agree it isn't the best utilization of them, I corrected the PCT though.
 
ManBeast said:
LoL he pm'd me, and while I didn't see anything wrong with the abombs and dbols in there, I agree it isn't the best utilization of them, I corrected the PCT though.
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you know what? harsh oral to begin and harsh oral to end? unconventional but I do like it, and its sounds like something I'd do. But I figured it would not go over well on here, nor would I "suggest" it to another. but hey If he is hell bent on it? not a bad idea at all in my estimations.....
 
there is decent time inbetween for the liver to recuperate especially with a f*ckton of liver supports IMHO.
 
ManBeast said:
there is decent time inbetween for the liver to recuperate especially with a f*ckton of liver supports IMHO.
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I think its probably better than winny at the end....at least the dbol kicks in faster (to optimize the 4 weeks)....if I was to use winny, I'd just use it week 5-12, give it time to do its thing.... go big or go home :D
 
so true, as long as you support yourself in the process.

ManBeast
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I don't think they are gonna like the abombs to start AND the dbols to finish :D you want to incorporate them green giants and dbols in one way or the other don't you lol just use them for 4 week kickstarts on 2 different cycles.....on the positive side, manbeast just had a projectile orgasm over your PCT...he loves it that much LMFAO
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I think it will work well, unless you think I should do one or the other...like a bombs for 8 wks followed by winny for 4-6. Leave dbol out until my next cycle.

Thanks for the input
 
Nah, you need the break for your liver man, just cuz warbirds is nuts doesn't mean you have to be too :D

ManBeast
 
itsgroll said:
I think it will work well, unless you think I should do one or the other...like a bombs for 8 wks followed by winny for 4-6. Leave dbol out until my next cycle.

Thanks for the input
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no no!!!.....the 4 week kicker and 4 week capper of the dbol or adrol is actually a good idea....just probably not widely accepted on the board is what I meant. What some people do is say dbol for 4 weeks to start , then 4 weeks of winny to cap it off (no oral for weeks 5-8). I said if you do that? run dbol 4 weeks then winny 8 weeks and give it some time to do its thing....as opposed to just 4 weeks at the end. in no way would I suggest dbol or adrol for 8 weeks straight :D maybe 6 weeks straight on dbol only LOL.....
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
no no!!!.....the 4 week kicker and 4 week capper of the dbol or adrol is actually a good idea....just probably not widely accepted on the board is what I meant. What some people do is say dbol for 4 weeks to start , then 4 weeks of winny to cap it off (no oral for weeks 5-8). I said if you do that? run dbol 4 weeks then winny 8 weeks and give it some time to do its thing....as opposed to just 4 weeks at the end. in no way would I suggest dbol or adrol for 8 weeks straight :D maybe 6 weeks straight on dbol only LOL.....
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I've already started anadrol, I will finish off 4 wks, followed by 8 wks winny. Thanks
 
I'd definitely run some strong strong liver support the whole way through then...

ManBeast
 
is that regular dosage? cuz you are going to be stressing your liver for quite some time due to the fact that your pct is also mildly liver-toxic.
 
ManBeast said:
is that regular dosage? cuz you are going to be stressing your liver for quite some time due to the fact that your pct is also mildly liver-toxic.
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It's the rec. dosage on btl.
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
no no!!!.....the 4 week kicker and 4 week capper of the dbol or adrol is actually a good idea....just probably not widely accepted on the board is what I meant. What some people do is say dbol for 4 weeks to start , then 4 weeks of winny to cap it off (no oral for weeks 5-8). I said if you do that? run dbol 4 weeks then winny 8 weeks and give it some time to do its thing....as opposed to just 4 weeks at the end. in no way would I suggest dbol or adrol for 8 weeks straight :D maybe 6 weeks straight on dbol only LOL.....
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One more...if I'm doing winny for 8 wks, what should I dose at?
 
itsgroll said:
One more...if I'm doing winny for 8 wks, what should I dose at?
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I thought you were gonna do adrol 1-4 and dbol 8-12? welp.....if doing the winny for 8 weeks, the usual dose is 50mg per day....but if you want to lower the dose to stress your liver less you could conceivably do 25mg per day or 30mg per day....I've broken the big 50mg pills in half and taken 1/2 per day before....too long ago to remember WTF I was stacking it with if anything....your choice though, when you lower the dosage the returns diminish as you go lower of course. you could still run it as a capper for 4 weeks, or split the difference and go 6 weeks....or do the full 8 weeks. depends how safe you want to play it....seems to me you don't mind taking some risk by your sample cycles.
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I thought you were gonna do adrol 1-4 and dbol 8-12? welp.....if doing the winny for 8 weeks, the usual dose is 50mg per day....but if you want to lower the dose to stress your liver less you could conceivably do 25mg per day or 30mg per day....I've broken the big 50mg pills in half and taken 1/2 per day before....too long ago to remember WTF I was stacking it with if anything....your choice though, when you lower the dosage the returns diminish as you go lower of course. you could still run it as a capper for 4 weeks, or split the difference and go 6 weeks....or do the full 8 weeks. depends how safe you want to play it....seems to me you don't mind taking some risk by your sample cycles.
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I was thinking anadrol followed by dbol would stress liver to much, but perhaps windy will as well. To be honest I would like to lean out slightly at the end of this cycle this why adding in win.
 
itsgroll said:
I was thinking anadrol followed by dbol would stress liver to much, but perhaps windy will as well. To be honest I would like to lean out slightly at the end of this cycle this why adding in win.
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yeah that was the concern....even though your spacing them out with a 4 week break, those are two heavy duty orals. is winny at 8 weeks following anadrol at 4 weeks less stressful than the adrol 4 weeks plus 4 week break plus 4 weeks dbol? I don't know, sounds about the same to me as far as your liver goes. personally I'd run the winny at 8 weeks at a lower dosage, half or 2/3 normal dosage (25-35mg). I don't believe in taking winstrol for 4 weeks only (I'd say 6-8 weeks is optimal). thats just my opinion, may work fine the other way at 4 weeks.....
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
yeah that was the concern....even though your spacing them out with a 4 week break, those are two heavy duty orals. is winny at 8 weeks following anadrol at 4 weeks less stressful than the adrol 4 weeks plus 4 week break plus 4 weeks dbol? I don't know, sounds about the same to me as far as your liver goes. personally I'd run the winny at 8 weeks at a lower dosage, half or 2/3 normal dosage (25-35mg). I don't believe in taking winstrol for 4 weeks only (I'd say 6-8 weeks is optimal). thats just my opinion, may work fine the other way at 4 weeks.....
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I think your right. I will finish my 4 weeks anadrol than start 8 wks winny. So here it is:
Wk 1-4 anadrol 50mg ED
Wk 1-12 test 500/wk
Wk 5-12 winny 35mg ED
Wk 1-12 EQ 600mg/wk
Wk 3-17 exemestane 12.5 mg EOD
Wk 14-17 Nolva 40/40/20/20
Wk 14-17 Clomid 100/75/75/50
Wk 1-17 Hcg 500iu/wk
Wk 1-17 cycle assist
 
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH! :D
 
LMAO Darwin would like that huh? :D
 
I personally like the original plan better cuz it gives your liver a break.

ManBeast
 
ManBeast said:
I personally like the original plan better cuz it gives your liver a break.

ManBeast
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He said he Wants to lean out towards the end.....so the original plan of ending with dbol would be the opposite of the desired effect!
 
True, his best bet might be to frontload the test to get it into his system faster, then just hit winny for the last 6 weeks then... I dunno if I'd ever run 12 weeks of orals.
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I don't think they are gonna like the abombs to start AND the dbols to finish :D you want to incorporate them green giants and dbols in one way or the other don't you lol just use them for 4 week kickstarts on 2 different cycles.....on the positive side, manbeast just had a projectile orgasm over your PCT...he loves it that much LMFAO
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Lol @ man beast..PCT nazi!

ManBeast for President 2012 "Save yo' nuts"
 
ROFLMAO!!! If only we were a nation of bodybuilders :D
 
ManBeast said:
True, his best bet might be to frontload the test to get it into his system faster, then just hit winny for the last 6 weeks then... I dunno if I'd ever run 12 weeks of orals.
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he keeps on pulling the switcheroo on us too.....I've been keeping up with his changes, even been predicting what he will ask for next and answering before he posts....but he's a tricky one....lets see if he has any more "change-ups" for us :D
 
Unrelated to the topic..but man beast and gerbil...I got my DAA, ERase, Taurine and Endosurge in the mail yesterday...I'm starting my first log on Monday... I'm growing up so fast...
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
you know what? harsh oral to begin and harsh oral to end? unconventional but I do like it, and its sounds like something I'd do. But I figured it would not go over well on here, nor would I "suggest" it to another. but hey If he is hell bent on it? not a bad idea at all in my estimations.....
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- Since when dbol is harsh ? It is one of the mildest orals as far as both liver and lipid toxicity go.
- Anadrol is on the same boat, but a little more lipid toxic than dbol - as far as liver toxicity there are a bunch of studies with patients using it up to to 4-5 months at 50-100mg with some increase in liver enzymes, nothing crazy. There are studies up to a year i think, where it can be used quite safely.
- The only issue with Anadrol is that past 16 weeks, according to studies there's a risk in developing some of the among diseases(peliosis hepatitis, tumors mostly benigh ones, cholestatic hepatitis).
- What people should be careful when using Anadrol is BP and hematocrit, as long as these 2 are in place they're good to go.
- Do more research people and stop worry all that much about liver when are other organs and values that matter way more.
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I think its probably better than winny at the end....at least the dbol kicks in faster (to optimize the 4 weeks)....if I was to use winny, I'd just use it week 5-12, give it time to do its thing.... go big or go home
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Winstrol is way more toxic that Dbol and Anadrol both in liver and lipids - after 6-8 weeks of it's use, i've guys get bloodwork with liver enzymes X3-4 times, HDl -10 and LDL 120+.


IMO:
Weeks 1-14/16 --> Test E. 250-500mg/week
Weeks 1-14/16 --> EQ 600-1000mg/week
Weeks 1-4/5/6 --> Anadrol 50-100mg ED
Weeks 10-14/16 --> Dbol 30-60mg ED
Weeks 1-16-18 --> Arimidex 0,50mg EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg

Comments:
- Some lipid protection is advised - can make sugggestions if you want.
- Some liver protection is advised, nothing crazy - can make suggestions if you want.
- Keep BP and hematocrit in check - can point out that clean diet + cardio, will help - obviously there are supplements/drugs for these, can make suggestions also.
- Have some Letro on hand in case gyno from Anadrol flares up, but with an AI throughout there's minimal risk.
- PCT 2 weeks after last injection - continue the AI during these 2 week gap.
 
anadrol is not harsh, and is safe? okey doke, I'll just take your word for it :D do you have a liver? or are you without liver and therefore don't have to stress that? this would explain a lot, please advise.
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
anadrol is not harsh, and is safe? okey doke, I'll just take your word for it :D do you have a liver? or are you without liver and therefore don't have to stress that? this would explain a lot, please advise.
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That's your reply ? Go search the web, there's like 2-3 decades of Anadrol research.
Who exactly told you to take my word for it ? For god's sake learn how to read properly, do your research and stop misleading/scarring people with overexaggerated toxicity claims.
 
I've seen enough about anadrol, from others and from personal experience, to make a determination there....but thanks for the concern. as for winny? yes you're right, I am the type to watch my BP and heart rate, things like that....not so much my lipids (since I never had a problem with them) but yes winny is bad in that way. but to say anadrol or dbol are less harmful to your liver than winny? thats crazy talk.....
 
Oh and BTW....don't lump me in with the "liver protection people"....you will not see me suggesting any liver support on here.....I emphasize my heart health actually. So you're barking up the wrong tree quoting me and taking a run at liver support.....
 
ManBeast said:
True, his best bet might be to frontload the test to get it into his system faster, then just hit winny for the last 6 weeks then... I dunno if I'd ever run 12 weeks of orals.
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I'll see how things are feeling. Perhaps I take 2 weeks off Orals after my 4 wk anadrol. Then do 8wk winny. That means the two weeks after last inject I'm on winny leading me into my pct
 
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