Looking for guidance

[Bigpete757]

I have been viewing the forums on and off for the last few years researching various topics and solutions that seem to be helping people. I was diagnosed with hypogonadism about 3-4 years ago and my health has had a steady decline since that time. I have seen numerous doctors and tried numerous treatments protocols such as

t creams/gels at various dosages
t shots at various dosages and various amounts during the week
thyroid medicine
clomid/nolva
armidex
hcg/hmg
dostinex

And the list probabaly goes on with a few more things. Basically I have tried the majority of treatments that are offered or out there for people to help with there endocrine system and have done most of the treatments under the supervision of a doctor and my health has continued to decline etc.

I recently have come across a very bad problem and I am pretty concerned and would like your help. About six months ago I injected a couple days of larger amounts of hcg by accident. I think one shot was 1500 iu's and another was around a 1000 iu's or so. I also took a few 75 iu's doses of hmg in one shot. I was in a relationship with a woman and I was trying to just help increase the size and functioning of my testicles and ever since I did these shots I have noticed that my testicles have shrunk up close to my body and my penis has shrunk as well and overall it is just not a good situation.

Around this time as well, I can remember exactly if it was before or after, but I experienced terrrible pain in my testicles for 4-5 weeks. It felt liked I got kicked in the balls for over a month everyday straight. I went to the doctor and he did an ultrasound of the area and it noticed some very minor things that he said were not causing my pain and would not be causing reduced blow flood to the testicles or penis.

Whatever is going on, it seems like I have a reduced blood flow to the penis or my testicles are not producing any sperm anymore or just things are really messed up right now and I am not sure how to help the situation.

I have thought about possible leydig desensiation, but I am not sure how to treat this or if I can even treat this. I have tried clomid and nolvadex after this happened and stayed on it for a few weeks or so, but it has not helped.

I came across a great thread in here about taking low doses of pde5 inhibitors more frequently to help with erections and I also read on other websites that this help to increase blood flow to the area. For the last 2 months or so I have been doing this and it has been helping, but the effects are starting to not be as good. I plan on trying to add in some doxasin and a few other things that might help, but that is just bandaid the problem and I am trying to find a longer term solution and get my testicles hopefully working again and hanging lower and everything just functioning better.

Prior to this happening, I did take t shots for about a year or so and I did not notice anything so out of the ordinary when it came to my testicle size or penis size or anything. It never really helped, but it never really hurt me either. It was just when I did the hcg/hmg that it was like night and day and all of the sudden my testicles seemed to be not working anymore.

I am pretty concerned about this because it seems when my sexual health takes a dive, my overall health takes a dive and I gain more weight, eat more, metabolism goes to crap, and it just is not good. And I just got out of a relationship and I am about to get into another one really soon and I do not want be person that cannot get a decent erection to have sex with his girlfriend. My biggest concern throughout all of this is just how I can get my balls and dick back to a normal size and start working again properly and trying things that might help me with this process.

For me taking t is probably out of the question. I have tried every combination of testosterone treatments you could imagine and had estrogen in range and it has done nothing. I have tried controlling progesterone as I thought this could be the reason why by sexual area went to crap, but it does not seem to help.

I am most likely going to be taking kind of combination of viagra, carnitine, co-enzyme q10, pycnogenol, doxasin, arginine, and some things like this. I have read some good studies combining a few of these that have helped alot of people with ed.

I also think me losing weight will help a little with improving the blood flow to the area and I could potentially try higher doses of thyroid medicine or various weight loss things. I have heard about sensa recently and I am eager to try it. I do have a good workout regimen jogging about 10 miles a week and trying to lift weights 1-2 days a week and I do a pretty good job with my diet as well.

To help me lose weight and maybe get in better shape I have also thought about taking creatine or hmb and things like this that my help me enhance my workout and give me more energy. I also think the carntinine that I will be taking might help benefit losing some extra weight and I know that if I could lose more weight it would help with my overall health and sexual health.

I would like to see Dr. J soon and see what he could do to possibly help me. Most doctors would not know what to do or where to start in a case like mine and I know he has seen it alot of things and has helped alot of men. But until I can get in to see him, and to try and be able to have a somewhat decent sexual relationship with this new woman I would really appreciate any input that you might be able to offer. I have read hundreds and probably thousands of mens cases over the few years and mine is defintely not an easy one to try and treat or fix, but I always stay positive and try to look on the bright side of life and continue to keep learning and trying things that might help.

A few things I was thinking that I could that might possible help are

__trying clomid at 25-50 mg for awhile or higher doses
__trying combinations of the viagra, arginine, carnitine, etc. as I listed above and try to help improve the nitric oxide part of this situation
__trying to gain more energy and lose weight with better workouts and more energy using something like creatine or various supplements to help in the area. Also trying sensa to maybe help me eat less.
__get various blood tests or urine tests that might help me put a clearer picture together. I defintely would like to check my progesterone level, prolactin level, and a few other things. And I think that a rheins tests would be great for me, but I have to have a doctor order it.
__try slowly taking thyroid medicine again and build up to a higher dose
__take probiotics and other things to help with my digestion, maybe it will help me process food better and eat less. I am probably going to order vsl#3 soon.
__try looking into somethings that help people who have peyronie's disease as some of the treatments are focused on improving erectile dysfuction
__sleep better and try to de-stress my life the best I can


I am not sure what will help or what exactly is causing the problem, but I am open to any advice, recommendations, and things that have worked for you in the past that might be able to help me. Thank you.​

 

[The Matrix]

A few things I was thinking that I could that might possible help are
Need to detoxify,
__trying clomid at 25-50 mg for awhile or higher doses NO
__trying combinations of the viagra, arginine, carnitine, etc. as I listed above and try to help improve the nitric oxide part of this situation Get tested for it
__trying to gain more energy and lose weight with better workouts and more energy using something like creatine or various supplements to help in the area. Also trying sensa to maybe help me eat less. evaluate leptin
__get various blood tests or urine tests that might help me put a clearer picture together. I defintely would like to check my progesterone level, prolactin level, and a few other things. And I think that a rheins tests would be great for me, but I have to have a doctor order it. Rhein is ok, but you need to do blood work along with it
__try slowly taking thyroid medicine again and build up to a higher dose Fix adrenals first other wise you will crash..
__take probiotics and other things to help with my digestion, maybe it will help me process food better and eat less. I am probably going to order vsl#3 soon. Should be top priority VSL3 not good over priced contains lactose
__try looking into somethings that help people who have peyronie's disease as some of the treatments are focused on improving erectile dysfuction Get injection of caveject and monitor with doppler effect.
__sleep better and try to de-stress my life the best I can Move to remote island or become a monk Find happiness with in what you have be thankful for it, resolve deep underlying issues at the subconscious level not at the conscious level. Connect to your higher state of awareness. Need to find out why not sleeping, ​

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[Bigpete757]

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I know that I need to detoxify. But don't have to much extra money to spend right now in that area. I will soon though and might ask some recommendations for things to help in this regards.

Why no on the the clomid. I was thinking of trying clomid and something else like nolva together. Part of me in the beginning wanted to try any combination of these like clomid, nolva, tore, etc to see if it might help but I am concerned about my eyes on the higher doses bigtime. I know that I have to get my lh and fsh checked and things like that, but you don't think that it might be worth it in my case to try taking at least 50 mg clomid and or combining similar things and see what happens.

Leptin is probably high, but I am not sure there is anything out that even treats this.


I took a hcg shot today, 150 iu's just because I feel like I have to try something. I also went out and got l carnitine, arginine, co-q10 to see if that might help with nitric oxide levels and fat burning/weight loss. I might incorporating a small dose of creatine in there soon just to see if it helps me in any way. I used to take creatine alot when I was younger and in the beginning of college and my body responds pretty well to it.

What do you recommend for probiotics other than vsl#3. I wanted to go that route because it is used medically on patients and has been through clinical trials and has been shown to help people. I am open to other suggestions though. I got to use dr. ohira stuff in the past and there are few others that seemed promising, I just thought that vsl#3 was probably right at the top of one of the best out there.

I might consider the caverject thing but will have to discuss with a doctor. I probably need to find a good urologist in addition to other dr to look at the endocrine system. I might try getting in with Dr. J soon. My case and what has happened recently are not easy fixes and I know that I am going to need some of the most knowledgable people out there to try and help.

The sleeping thing is not that bad. I can still sleep pretty good, just have been stressed out lately due to recent break up with girlfriend and starting my own business which has not been easy.

I did want to mention something that might make a difference but I am not sure. And that is around the time where alot of this happened I was having alot of sex with my girlfriend and my balls were red and tender as hell and sore and hurt sometimes for days/weeks. Maybe I overdid it in some way and my body could not handle it too well and stoped functioning normal testicles. I am not sure. All I know is that my balls are not working for anything and close up to my body and I am not on any type of testosterone and the whole thing in general is not good for me.

I have thought about possibly cardiovascular issues maybe affecting it and that could be a possibililty. I am defintely going to try and work out harder and lose more weight and this should help things in general. But I am concerned about my sexual health alot. And are a little worried about possible densisenation or not getting the proper signals somewhere in my body to tell my body to produce sperm or t.


Anything you could think of that might help would be great. As far as lab/urine/imaging testing, or things I could take to help my sexual health now, things I could do or take to help my overall health, etc. Thank you.

 

[The Matrix]

High levels of clomid will down regulate LH over 1-2 month peroid. It make be advisable to do clomid challenge with 25 mgs for 7 day under Dr's supervison. Test on the 8th day. Usual dosage ranges from 12 mgs EOD then retest after 3 weeks. Dosages higher then 50 mgs for a matter of a week can cause major depression and emotional rollercoaster. You be not want you crying like a baby or want to slit your wrists. Trust me it can push you to the edge. It did me at typical 50 mgs a day years back. I was wrapped up in a girl next thing I want to do was kill my self. I was like WTF did that come from? I was smart enough to identify and rationalize with the thought. Others who are not well may not be able. From your past history not getting into detail you had multiple issues going on, now the correct way to handle is what is screaming the loudest. VSL#3 is used for colitis and crohns not generalized dybiosis, I would looked at SNP's and other issues which have not been explored which are not allowing you to dump your toxins. First thing on your list should be an far infrared sauna use it on a daily basis for 20 minutes to clear lymphatic system. With your case you need to look out side the box. Knowing what I learned now you may have cellular thyroid resistance which leptin levels will put a grinding halt to even with optimal level in your blood. Pushing nitric oxide is fine, providing you can keep the peroxyl nitrate pathway open upped. If you push nitric oxide to high then it will cause major oxidative stress which is not good. Check using neo 40 test strips the proper levels. Past years I have weaved my web with some of the greatest specialists in the field of lyme, detoxfication, mold, autism. Personally I would save your money and see Dr Peter Rouse he will get down to your issue better then any one else out there. I have seen him work wonders. For God sake I am off thyroid, cortef, HCG, and soon getting off an AI then eventually testosterone all less then 9 months period following his principles and chatting with him on line. It was nice to get confirmation who some one of his caliber was on the same page as I was and I was not crack pot like people thought I was HAHAH...

 

[Bigpete757]

After researching more information and looking into my situation a little further, I have a strong feeling that my leydig cells are somewhat desensitized and this is causing alot of problems with my sexual health and overall testosterone situation etc. My goal for now is just try and restore the size of my testicles and increase my libido and sex drive and performance. Right now it is god awful and I am going to try anything and everything to improve this situation and quality of my life. In the past, when I have been able to have a ok sex drive and things were functioning somewhat decent, I was able to drop weight and my health dramatically improved. I went from about 310 to 268 and really felt and looked different. Everything went to crap and now I am back up to 300 and my sexual health has been the worse ever in my entire life and it is only getting worse and I am focused on making it better. I have explored various options and looked up different medications and supplements that might help me. I am going to list a few things and a few options that I have considered. Please feel free to make any recommendations or add to this list of things that might help or any type of options that might help as well. This is way beyond just having low T and feeling crappy and no energy and fatigued etc, I went through that for years before this happened and would give anything to get that not so great feeling back, this is more like I woke up about seven months ago after doing a series of higher than normal hcg shots and my balls and penis shrunk to crap and I can't hardly function that good sexually, ejacualte volume down, barely cant get an erection and if so not good, and this is just has a major negative impact on my health and relationship situation.


I have viagra and cialis and usually take viagra at night sometimes which provides some ok erection during the night and this helps improve sleep for me. Tried taking it during the day in smaller does as well maybe to help just keep ok blood flow going to the penis and this helps a little and actually helps me lose weight some, but I build up a tolerance and want to save it more for nighttime and before sex.

Tried combining doxansin with the viagra recently to see if that might help but it kind of stresses me out taking something that can mess with your heart and I don't really like the feeling it gives me and have not noticed too many benefits taking with viagra.

I just ordered hcgenerate and will be taking that at 5 caps plus a day next week. I have high hopes for this and here amazing reviews about how this has helped tons of people restore the size of their testicles and increase sex drive and do all kinds good things in this area. I have a good feeling this is going to help alot.

I am probably going to get some proviron soon to see if this will help. I know it helps alot with libido and sex drive, but I have also read some studies where it improved sperm count in some people and increase testicle fullness etc.

Considering taking tongkat ali by itself in addition to the little thats in hcgenerate. Also considering taking tribestan or some kind of tribulus, but not sure.

Looking into taking DAA as I have read some good reviews on this. Also heard of MT-141 (breamonlide sp) but not sure how much this might help. Maybe l carnitine, pycengonol, etc. Already tried l carnitine and arginine and viagra together and it helped a little but not a solution.


There are variety of supplements I have looked at and read but have not compiled a full list yet to post. If anyone has some they might want to throw in here please go ahead.

Thought about taking test prop to see if it would help on the libido side and maybe help replenish t levels, but it is probably only going to shut me down further and make my balls work less than they already are now and this I don't think is ideal in my situation. I have already tried t cyp and various gels/creams and it does not help my health.

Maybe taking small doses of hcg 100 iu's for a month or two straight everyday, or a combination of things like clomid, nolva, tore, at different doses. The problem with this is that hcg put me in this position and has really never helped at all in the past when I have taking it and the same with clomid and nolva, and these for sure have not helped my libido or sex drive whatsoever which is important to me as well.


Essentially, what would you guys do if you were in my situation. My case was very complicated before this happened and this does not help at all. To keep things somewhat simple, lets say it more than likely it is leydig desensitization and that combined with alot of other negative symptoms is the basic position that I am in. How would you going about improving your situation from a sexual heath standpoint and overall health standpoint. I have thought about taking something like creatine as well to maybe help my workouts but that might add extra water weight which is probably not the best in my situation. I am open to any and all suggestions and advice. Just met with an endo this past week and he is doing some bloodwork and will do the bloodwork soon.

I have a good feeling I will find a combination of things that might help soon.

 

[The Matrix]

First of all you need to get proper testing done. In cases such as yours, I would need to break down each system digging deeper. One would need to look at neurotransmitters, immune system, endocrine system, lifestyles, and other hidden stressors. The following thing you would look next is symptoms and what can be done to deal with them to the other systems are balanced. As many have found out hormones are not magic grail, but under certain circumstances it may not be a bad idea to use them temporarily to help the body to get into an anabolic state to kick start things off then when your weight is back down to 220-230 ish then you may want to try a restart. I am in contact with some of the best Dr's and researchers in various fields. In cases such as yours its good to a may be a few set of eyes. These eyes should have time to collarborate on cases like this. If I where you I would go see Dr Peter Rouse in california, he would probably be able to break through this metabolic mess as I have bounced ideas of him from time to time in head banger cases I deal I have come up against. You need to remove all allergens and inflammatory foods and substances from your body, BTW there are alot of people in the orlando , bravard county who have been getting mysteriously sick which has been linked to possible contamination from pesticides they are spraying over head which may be something to keep in mind. I am big in the neurotransmitters now because they can help reduce symptoms which hormones and thyroid are not able to do. You just need to chunk it down to smallest parts then see how everything is connected.