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High rbc and hemoglobin advice

fryzway

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On my latest labs my Rbc and Hemoglobin shows high. The Rbc is 6.18 ref (4.0-5.9) the Hemaglobin is 16.19, not sure of the red exactly but I know the upper limit is 15.9. I been having blood pressure issues and I recently ordered Celery Seed Extract to take to help lower it but the prob is, it's a diuretic. My ? Is will the diuretic effect raise my rbc and hgb higher if my fluid intake isn't adequate ? Also is having Rbc and Hgb just slightly elevated a danger or advantage ? My doc didn't seem worried but did refer me to a Hematologist when I mentioned therapeutic phlebotamy for it. RedCross won't let me give blood bc I have pimples on my arms. I don't smoke or drink so that's not an issue or contributing factor. My dose is 200mg/wk of Test cyp which puts me around 580 on Lab day, which is the morning of next inject, which are done once every 7 days. Thanks for any insight.
 
Also I was wanting to blast with some test prop. I would lower my Test Cyp dose to 140mg/wk and I was thinking of hitting the prop @ 50mg EOD which would be roughly 200mg/wk on top of my TRT. Like I said I am on 200mg/wk now of Test Cyp and my rbc and hgb is up so that's all that is concerning me with a blast. I want to lower the dose of the long acting ester to keep my levels more stable and keep a steady stream of T in my system. By lowering the dose of Cyp to 140/wk and adding Prop @ 200/wk I will be adding in total 140mg/wk over my reg Test Cyp TRT dose. I will only be blasting 4-6wks and taking 3 months off in between. Reason for not just upping the Cyp is the Prop clears way faster incase I do run into any trouble. Thanks in advance for any advice
 
Drinking too much coffee will cause cellular dehydration.
Coffee is not a liquid
IT takes 20 oz of water to hydrate after 1 cup of normal coffee.
Majority of people in USA are walking around instead of cellular dehydration resulting in excessive inflammation as well immune systems response from it which start nasty chain reaction of events
 
Thanks for that bit of info Matrix. I am a HUGE caffeine drinker. Atleast 2 energy drinks, 1 coffee and 1-2diet sodas everyday. So that very well maybe the source of my blood count problems. The doctor did mention drinking more water or Gatorade to see if that would help my Rbc and Hgb. The only thing is, I had the same habits before starting the Trt and my levels were not elevated. Any advice on the Celery Seed Extract, with it's diuretic properties and/or the Prop Blast Cycle advice ?
 
fryzway said:
Thanks for that bit of info Matrix. I am a HUGE caffeine drinker. Atleast 2 energy drinks, 1 coffee and 1-2diet sodas everyday. So that very well maybe the source of my blood count problems. The doctor did mention drinking more water or Gatorade to see if that would help my Rbc and Hgb. The only thing is, I had the same habits before starting the Trt and my levels were not elevated. Any advice on the Celery Seed Extract, with it's diuretic properties and/or the Prop Blast Cycle advice ?
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And then people wonder why blood chemistry is so screwed up and can not find what is wrong. You need to look at the simple things I can not stress this enough rather then the trying to find some medical explanation which may end up causing more harm then good. Gaturoade is worse its all sugar and bromide. Well the behavior is not helping matters I can tell you that, your gi and liver pathways have all gone to hell in hand basket ...
 
Matrix, I appreciate your replies and quick responses but I don have to say this, instead of telling people, who are obviously less knowledgeable than you, what they are doing wrong, why don't u spend some of your time telling us how to correct it instead of going on tangents about the medical community. I mean that with all the respect in the world. We are here all asking for u bc u know what your talking about but u won't tell us anything to fix the problems. You answer questions like a politician, meaning that, you answer the question Without actually answering the question !! Ok, so my dr is not versed in this area, obviously, so as I stated, what can I do aside from lowering my T dose or the therapeutic phlebotamy to lower or keep in check my Rbc and Hgb ? Will incorporating the Celery Sees Extract to lower BP make the Rbc and Hgb worse do to the diuretic effects ? What is the opinion on how much my Test Prop blast will affect the labs ? If not Gatorade then what, plain water ? How do u suggest a Pre-Workout boost without the caffeine ?
 
Gutterpump said:
You have to give blood from time to time while on TRT to get your hematocrit and RBC down to normal.
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1. Rule out dehydration- retest
2. other recommendations with out knowing your medical history could be dangerous
3. Phlebs at 250 ml every 2-3 months
4. using herbal may make more dehydrated.
 
fryzway said:
Matrix, I appreciate your replies and quick responses but I don have to say this, instead of telling people, who are obviously less knowledgeable than you, what they are doing wrong, why don't u spend some of your time telling us how to correct it instead of going on tangents about the medical community. I mean that with all the respect in the world. We are here all asking for u bc u know what your talking about but u won't tell us anything to fix the problems. You answer questions like a politician, meaning that, you answer the question Without actually answering the question !! Ok, so my dr is not versed in this area, obviously, so as I stated, what can I do aside from lowering my T dose or the therapeutic phlebotamy to lower or keep in check my Rbc and Hgb ? Will incorporating the Celery Sees Extract to lower BP make the Rbc and Hgb worse do to the diuretic effects ? What is the opinion on how much my Test Prop blast will affect the labs ? If not Gatorade then what, plain water ? How do u suggest a Pre-Workout boost without the caffeine ?
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Drink more water. Donate blood regularly. Don't discuss your unrelated steroid use in this forum.
 
David Dunn said:
Drink more water. Donate blood regularly. Don't discuss your unrelated steroid use in this forum.
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I think the jury has come to a conclusion...
 
I have been giving a pint every 6 weeks (2 weeks sooner then allowed) and my Hemoglobun is still up, 18.2 last test after a good donation.
they told me because of the excessive red cells they could not get an accurate hematocrit number, what ever that means, My hands and soles are red and m face is red. Im told this can be from high RBC.
Im tempted to stop T but i have pellets in me, so I have to let them dislve
 
jonko said:
I have been giving a pint every 6 weeks (2 weeks sooner then allowed) and my Hemoglobun is still up, 18.2 last test after a good donation.
they told me because of the excessive red cells they could not get an accurate hematocrit number, what ever that means, My hands and soles are red and m face is red. Im told this can be from high RBC.
Im tempted to stop T but i have pellets in me, so I have to let them dislve
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It means .. If you were to a sugar cube container of your blood and counted every red blood cell. That your hemocrit. Your case...
They can't see the individual cells... They are clumped together. So the accuracy is not there.
Drink more water!


Dude... Are you hypertensive and taking a water pill type medication ?
 
jonko said:
I have been giving a pint every 6 weeks (2 weeks sooner then allowed) and my Hemoglobun is still up, 18.2 last test after a good donation.
they told me because of the excessive red cells they could not get an accurate hematocrit number, what ever that means, My hands and soles are red and m face is red. Im told this can be from high RBC.
Im tempted to stop T but i have pellets in me, so I have to let them dislve
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Who are they,
I would have had the Dr refer you to hemotologist or if going to one get second opinoin
 
The doctor office uses his one lab, and they couldn't get the hematocrit. But the hemoglobin was 18.1
I gave blood the next day at the Red Cross. I was hoping they would check my hematocrit, but their handheld thingy only does hemoglobin. they got a better number though, 17.9
I asked the Red Cross why they didn't do hematocrit, but they said hemoglobin and hematocrit mimic each other
 
Actually my blood pressure has been good as of late, since I lost 25 pounds. I checked it today 122/80 pulse 68

No water pills
 
jonko said:
Actually my blood pressure has been good as of late, since I lost 25 pounds. I checked it today 122/80 pulse 68

No water pills
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Congrats !"
Keep.going..
 
jonko, you should visit hematologist for a full blood test without any delay. Sure, TRT elevates HgB and RBC slightly. But red face and hands may be a sign of polycithemia, and this is serious. Good luck!
 
Rider2 said:
jonko, you should visit hematologist for a full blood test without any delay. Sure, TRT elevates HgB and RBC slightly. But red face and hands may be a sign of polycithemia, and this is serious. Good luck!
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I dont hav polycithemia, I have blood work almost monthly, and I had a CBC one week ago. Im not at those levels "yet" anyway. Im just running in the high range. Im not red like a tomato. In fact, it has improved these couple month, perhaps due to the blood donations. but I still feel flushed at times.
 
jonko said:
I dont hav polycithemia, I have blood work almost monthly, and I had a CBC one week ago. Im not at those levels "yet" anyway. Im just running in the high range. Im not red like a tomato. In fact, it has improved these couple month, perhaps due to the blood donations. but I still feel flushed at times.
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Nice to hear this. Jonko, is there any connection with your former weight? Whats about your sports?
 
fryzway said:
On my latest labs my Rbc and Hemoglobin shows high. The Rbc is 6.18 ref (4.0-5.9) the Hemaglobin is 16.19, not sure of the red exactly but I know the upper limit is 15.9. I been having blood pressure issues and I recently ordered Celery Seed Extract to take to help lower it but the prob is, it's a diuretic. My ? Is will the diuretic effect raise my rbc and hgb higher if my fluid intake isn't adequate ? Also is having Rbc and Hgb just slightly elevated a danger or advantage ? My doc didn't seem worried but did refer me to a Hematologist when I mentioned therapeutic phlebotamy for it. RedCross won't let me give blood bc I have pimples on my arms. I don't smoke or drink so that's not an issue or contributing factor. My dose is 200mg/wk of Test cyp which puts me around 580 on Lab day, which is the morning of next inject, which are done once every 7 days. Thanks for any insight.
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Hemoglobin upper limits for male is generally like 17 or 17.5 and rbc can be like 6.1 depending on lab and if your a male. Sounds like stressing over nothing especially if your doctor not concerned. Not sure hemoglobin or rbc in that range would have any effect on blood pressure. Test could be causing a spike. Levels fluctuate. I have seen people with low hemoglobin and hematacrit run high blood pressure and the reverse can also be true. Dehydration could perhaps cause a little elevation in hemoglobin. Polycythemia is generally 18.5 hemoglobin. I would listen to doctor on this one. The referral was more a CYA defensive move. Go to hematologist, but I wouldn't think a second thought about those levels in the mean time unless your doc says you have something to be concerned about, especially if BUN and creatinine look alright and doc is not ordering an echo or sending you to a cardiologist.
 
996ttelise said:
Hemoglobin upper limits for male is generally like 17 or 17.5 and rbc can be like 6.1 depending on lab and if your a male. Sounds like stressing over nothing especially if your doctor not concerned. Not sure hemoglobin or rbc in that range would have any effect on blood pressure. Test could be causing a spike. Levels fluctuate. I have seen people with low hemoglobin and hematacrit run high blood pressure and the reverse can also be true. Dehydration could perhaps cause a little elevation in hemoglobin. Polycythemia is generally 18.5 hemoglobin. I would listen to doctor on this one. The referral was more a CYA defensive move. Go to hematologist, but I wouldn't think a second thought about those levels in the mean time unless your doc says you have something to be concerned about, especially if BUN and creatinine look alright and doc is not ordering an echo or sending you to a cardiologist.
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Determination depends on the persons predisposition of coaquability and if there are complications.
 
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