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djmikeyspikes

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WOuld it be bad if i never did a inject or PH before but plan on running my first cycle with hdrol to add in something else to stagger or stack to get an extra punch...

I would have everything i need pre / during / & post cycle

I would it just be best to run helladrol solo..


Im 5'11'' 190lbs - i want to get to 200 but also lose about 10lbs of fat so i would be gaining almost 20lbs of muscle ..

^^ this is my overall goal && i know its not possible with just one cycle but i want to get as close to it as possible with one and then finish off natural
 
I'm sure you can get to your goals just might take some time (and a couple cycles).
Adding a non meth like katanadrol will probably do you some good as it is a common stacker with the more mild compounds like helladrol (hdrol) and epi.
It is anabolic at high doses and if you run it low dose on the side of hdrol you should see a little more gains.
I suggest also looking at some forma stanzol as an AI to run on cycle and through pct. :)
 
So i wud run an AI thru Cycle as well?? I thought it was best to save that for PCT??

I have triazole i was going to use as an AI, should i just sell it and use forma instead?
 
djmikeyspikes said:
So i wud run an AI thru Cycle as well?? I thought it was best to save that for PCT??

I have triazole i was going to use as an AI, should i just sell it and use forma instead?
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If you get estrogen sides on cycle you can. But adding it on cycle will help increase your gains while on cycle and off. So what I would do is run it on cycle for the last 2 weeks or so maybe at half dose, then full dose in PCT and then taper down as you near the end of PCT, finishing the AI around 2 weeks after the SERM.

You could also just use the AI from week 3 to week 7 in PCT. If you choose to use Triazole you should administer it this way.
 
Forma-stanzol is interesting in that it is a mild AI but it also increases the potency of the other anabolics its being run with, as well as IGF levels.

ManBeast
 
First cycle helladrol solo, after that you can try helladrol with 11-oxo which is a great cutting stack. Then if you want more muscle you can use a heavier compound (my personal favorite is dimethazine).
 
I was thjnkjng of doin helladrol & katanadrol seeing how katana is non methlylated and adding forma stanzol in

I was thinking katandrol week 1-4 and helladrol weeks 2-8

So a total of 8 weeks 4 of katana 6 helladrol and add in forma stanzol like week 4-pct
 
Just a math note, for 6 weeks of hella you'd be starting it week 3.

Looks pretty solid though.

ManBeast
 
Eh, I'd rate it on the max end of ok/bottom end of too much if ya know what I mean.

Add the forma week 5 and run it through the end of pct (assuming a 4 week pct).
Run support supps from the beginning until end of pct.
Use the triazole as your official AI for PCT and taper it down (you shouldn't have to start it early since you have the forma in there, but the taper is important).

ManBeast
 
djmikeyspikes said:
I was thjnkjng of doin helladrol & katanadrol seeing how katana is non methlylated and adding forma stanzol in

I was thinking katandrol week 1-4 and helladrol weeks 2-8

So a total of 8 weeks 4 of katana 6 helladrol and add in forma stanzol like week 4-pct
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Katana and 11 oxo are very similar in the fact they are non methylated. (Im not 100% sure but I always though they were like the same compound... along with furuza). Any would work okay here. Most people tend to add in the Katana towards the end of the cycle though. Im not sure why you were thinking of hitting the Katana first?
 
Ok so i would use the triazole and the forma .. And yes my pct is 4 weeks..

And i read that katana can be used better for cuttin so i figured if i start with katana i could lose some excess fat then do a complete recomp with helladrol and try to gain up to 10-5lbs
 
Its not incorrect, its just not what most tend to do/have done. although it could make being at maintenence calories during pct more "normal" instead of upping from a hard cut level, it is food for thought.

ManBeast
 
djmikeyspikes said:
Ia my theory incorrect?? By planning on cutting first with katana then recomping/bulking with hella?
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Ah. Hmm. It might work. Just not the path taken by the masses lol.
If you do run it so then make sure your goals are set so you don't make any abrupt changes during the cycle.
 
Ok thanks for advice guys..

But as i know... The "ideal" way to run jt would be

Helladrol week 1-6
Katanadrol week 4-8 or 2-6
 
Again, not "ideal" per say, just the way most people approach a mixed-goal cycle (i.e. bulk then cut), but your idea to cut then bulk is actually not that bad now that I've been thinking about it for a while.

ManBeast
 
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