Epistane and Fuzuza-A for gyno cut!

Had my labs done yesterday and blood tests came back normal except for liver coming out high, now I'm debating whether to end the cycle and start pct or do another week. I'm currently on week four and joints are killing me specially knees, shoulders and for some reason my right hip flexor. What do you guys recommend. I have about 19 pills left plus another bottle so I might just save it for a future bulking cycle.
 
Bilirubin 70
Alkaline Phosphatase 48
ALT 70(This is the one they marked as high)..it ranges from 17-63 according to whats on the print out..
AST 42 (H)...ranges <35
 
I don't see why more people are not using 5 aOHP, dry gains, easy on the liver, helped one members gyno, and has been compared by members to Winstrol in terms of results.
 
Those liver values are not that bad IMO, but if your joints are hurting bad enough that might be enough to start PCT. It's your call, but it sounds like you might be feeling like you are ready to start PCT. Good luck, hope your joints feel better.
 
mshredded said:
So start PCT guys?..Yay, nay?...If no replies I'll start PCT today.
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Dude --

Why on earth did you not incorporate AndroHard v3 for gyno reversal????!!!???

You are running 2 overly ANABOLIC, low androgenic hormones, while NOT jacking DHT high enough to take care of estrogenic side effects.

Epistane may have serm properties, but the fact that it can cause delayed onset gyno is simply triggered by reducing DHT and Test while on cycle and estrogen will be too high post cycle -- therefor triggering gyno.

You can use a cheaper stanodrol or what have you --- just know nothing is more absorbed or potent or as mildy suppressive than AndroHardv3

-Matt
 
darkwing said:
Those liver values are not that bad IMO, but if your joints are hurting bad enough that might be enough to start PCT. It's your call, but it sounds like you might be feeling like you are ready to start PCT. Good luck, hope your joints feel better.
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Yeah the cons are outweighing the pros at this time. Thanks for the input.
 
MattPorter said:
Dude --

Why on earth did you not incorporate AndroHard v3 for gyno reversal????!!!???

You are running 2 overly ANABOLIC, low androgenic hormones, while NOT jacking DHT high enough to take care of estrogenic side effects.

Epistane may have serm properties, but the fact that it can cause delayed onset gyno is simply triggered by reducing DHT and Test while on cycle and estrogen will be too high post cycle -- therefor triggering gyno.

You can use a cheaper stanodrol or what have you --- just know nothing is more absorbed or potent or as mildy suppressive than AndroHardv3

-Matt
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I was on my 2nd week of epi when I read about androhard and wasn't going to stop dry-turkey. Androhard is a cycle I'm considering for the future though. It is a little up there in price so i'll need to do some saving...college kid here..but thanks
 
MattPorter said:
Dude --

Why on earth did you not incorporate AndroHard v3 for gyno reversal????!!!???

You are running 2 overly ANABOLIC, low androgenic hormones, while NOT jacking DHT high enough to take care of estrogenic side effects.

Epistane may have serm properties, but the fact that it can cause delayed onset gyno is simply triggered by reducing DHT and Test while on cycle and estrogen will be too high post cycle -- therefor triggering gyno.

You can use a cheaper stanodrol or what have you --- just know nothing is more absorbed or potent or as mildy suppressive than AndroHardv3

-Matt
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So if you take epi alone w/o a dht then what is the solution? you must stack it? I have both but wanted to run epi alone. Seems you can't run an ai with it or your joints might fall off or seize :D i guess just a strong pct ?
 
MattPorter said:
Dude --

Why on earth did you not incorporate AndroHard v3 for gyno reversal????!!!???

You are running 2 overly ANABOLIC, low androgenic hormones, while NOT jacking DHT high enough to take care of estrogenic side effects.

Epistane may have serm properties, but the fact that it can cause delayed onset gyno is simply triggered by reducing DHT and Test while on cycle and estrogen will be too high post cycle -- therefor triggering gyno.

You can use a cheaper stanodrol or what have you --- just know nothing is more absorbed or potent or as mildy suppressive than AndroHardv3

-Matt
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i wouldnt consider furaza and overly anabolic its weakly anabolic and mildly androgenic (93:330), i also dont think epi is low androgenic however i do agree a stronger pure DHT compound would prolly help but i dont this stack was the worst for his current scenerio
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
So if you take epi alone w/o a dht then what is the solution? you must stack it? I have both but wanted to run epi alone. Seems you can't run an ai with it or your joints might fall off or seize :D i guess just a strong pct ?
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he is simply suggesting dht since it fights gyno through ways no one knows, weather its anti estrogenic or maybe its just that it strongly bindly to the AR and promotes fat loss.
 
rochabp said:
he is simply suggesting dht since it fights gyno through ways no one knows, weather its anti estrogenic or maybe its just that it strongly bindly to the AR and promotes fat loss.
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I just don't need to aggravate already too much gyno if the post cycle will be so bad epi alone.
 
rochabp said:
i wouldnt consider furaza and overly anabolic its weakly anabolic and mildly androgenic (93:330), i also dont think epi is low androgenic however i do agree a stronger pure DHT compound would prolly help but i dont this stack was the worst for his current scenerio
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What is your recommendation for a strong DHT compound. I am only asking for future refernec. I love Epi, just thinking about the next cycle
 
GTB said:
What is your recommendation for a strong DHT compound. I am only asking for future refernec. I love Epi, just thinking about the next cycle
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1-t, Androhard, 5aOHP, mmv3 for; mild/safer PHs
and d-plex, trenazone, trenavar(trenavar one of the most potent to binding to the AR); More Serious PHs

and warbirds i hope you have a PCT set up with SERMs and other stuff but if you want to add a DHT based compound to help you lean out for a cut then take your pick fro the above depending on goals, the bottom ones like d plex, trena, trenavar will prolly add a lot more weight and strength on you while cutting but you also risk more sides making pct that much more important or you can go a bit of a safer way and get some androhard which is a strong dht compound with not too many sides and will add some gains and should do nicely in a cut. its your choice, holla at me PMs if any questions
 
rochabp said:
1-t, Androhard, 5aOHP, mmv3 for; mild/safer PHs
and d-plex, trenazone, trenavar(trenavar one of the most potent to binding to the AR); More Serious PHs

and warbirds i hope you have a PCT set up with SERMs and other stuff but if you want to add a DHT based compound to help you lean out for a cut then take your pick fro the above depending on goals, the bottom ones like d plex, trena, trenavar will prolly add a lot more weight and strength on you while cutting but you also risk more sides making pct that much more important or you can go a bit of a safer way and get some androhard which is a strong dht compound with not too many sides and will add some gains and should do nicely in a cut. its your choice, holla at me PMs if any questions
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Thanks man
 
rochabp said:
1-t, Androhard, 5aOHP, mmv3 for; mild/safer PHs
and d-plex, trenazone, trenavar(trenavar one of the most potent to binding to the AR); More Serious PHs

and warbirds i hope you have a PCT set up with SERMs and other stuff but if you want to add a DHT based compound to help you lean out for a cut then take your pick fro the above depending on goals, the bottom ones like d plex, trena, trenavar will prolly add a lot more weight and strength on you while cutting but you also risk more sides making pct that much more important or you can go a bit of a safer way and get some androhard which is a strong dht compound with not too many sides and will add some gains and should do nicely in a cut. its your choice, holla at me PMs if any questions
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Yeah im on ahard solo right now finishing up week 4 of 7-8 weeks. I have another bottle of ah here to use but i prefer solo runs the first time with new things. I would use one 50mg clomid tab per day for 3-4 weeks and the pp trs and erase pro and daa for pct. Plus whatever else i think up for pct. The epi run will depend on the AL release date. Wanted to go ah al epi back to back cycles then pct.
 
Taurus Nut. said:
Why don't you look at 5aOHP. It reduced the gyno of Enhanced and won't effect liver values in a negative way.
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Yes, it did clear it up! I just looked back on my log & I was around day 20 & noticed that all signs of gyno were completely gone! There was no more tenderness, or any pea sized lump under my skin..

Seriously, if you're looking for another cycle to run in the future, you can't go wrong w/ their 5a. There were no negative sides at all! PCT was an absolute breeze too!
Here's a link to my log:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/175194-enhanced-takes-bull.html
 
enhanced said:
Yes, it did clear it up! I just looked back on my log & I was around day 20 & noticed that all signs of gyno were completely gone! There was no more tenderness, or any pea sized lump under my skin..

Seriously, if you're looking for another cycle to run in the future, you can't go wrong w/ their 5a. There were no negative sides at all! PCT was an absolute breeze too!
Here's a link to my log:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/175194-enhanced-takes-bull.html
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Totally agree that PCT is simple and on cycle sides are very minimal if any.
 
enhanced said:
Yes, it did clear it up! I just looked back on my log & I was around day 20 & noticed that all signs of gyno were completely gone! There was no more tenderness, or any pea sized lump under my skin..

Seriously, if you're looking for another cycle to run in the future, you can't go wrong w/ their 5a. There were no negative sides at all! PCT was an absolute breeze too!
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Thanks, how bad was your gyno?
 
Starting PCT(Torem) tonight with 120 @ 3days, then 90 for the other 4 days all taken before bed(unless I shouldn't?). I also have daa and someone suggested I add it to PCT for a test boost. Good or bad idea? I was originally planning on using if for a stack with erase or I could stack it with the Lean Xtreme I already have.

Epi Review:
Overall Epi was good. Gained 4 pounds of lean muscle, specially in my biceps, shoulders and chest. The only downfall was that since I had a recent knee injury and epi being a dry compound I couldn't do much cardio without some pain. Note: I didn't work legs at all during the 20 day cycle, no squats or leg press. Nada just the cardio that I did and most of it was low intensity.

No hair loss, acne, or aggression.

Libido: Was fine no hurt there, I'm only 23 and my libido is crazy good. Some days even higher than normal, but I can't complain.

The hardest struggle was not drinking, living at the frat. house didn't help and neither did the holidays.

I'll be saving the leftover epi for a lean summer bulk. As for now I'll cut until spring break with just cardio and strict dieting.
 
im not sure that you can really get rid of it completely i think your best bet is to cut down tominimal fat and gain some good amount of chest muscle, you can go ahead and try the whole androgen thing but its up in the air to be honest IMO
 
hunter121 said:
Anyone else hear/know of thinning hair issues due to Epistane??
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I've gotten thinning hair from it. Not everyone gets thinning hair on it though but it's possible. I suggest take some n2shampoo with some Toco 8 while taking epi.
 
halfhuman said:
I've gotten thinning hair from it. Not everyone gets thinning hair on it though but it's possible. I suggest take some n2shampoo with some Toco 8 while taking epi.
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Since I was taking Ahard I ordered some nizoral shampoo and some topical spiro.....haven't needed it on the AH, but might come in handy on epi....
 
hunter121 said:
Anyone else hear/know of thinning hair issues due to Epistane??
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Didn't have any hair issues until PCT. I didn't notice it until the shower drain wasn't working properly and saw all the left over hair.

PCT is going well though. Libido is Cray!
 
mshredded said:
Puffy nipple with breast tissue behind it.
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Letrozole and raloxifene it will crush your e2 but will totally eliminate your gyno,no two ways about it.
If you want to try Androhard first its pricey but a 16 week run may do it.
 
rara said:
Letrozole and raloxifene it will crush your e2 but will totally eliminate your gyno,no two ways about it.
If you want to try Androhard first its pricey but a 16 week run may do it.
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If i can get my hand on letro I might give it a go. For now I'm trying to get my bf% to single digits.
 
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