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Taking Superdrol and now experiencing liver pain. Advice?

Protege385

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I'm on a 4 week Beastdrol cycle (currently on week 4 day 3) and I'm not sure what to do about my liver pain. I noticed my abdomen hurting about a week ago and the pain has continued every day since. It usually hurts when I take the second 10 mg pill with my 4th meal of the day and the pain lasts about 1-2 hrs. After asking a few of my friends and explaining where I felt the pain (right side of abdomen right under rib-cage) I was informed that thats where my liver is located.

I only have a few days left of my cycle, so should I finish it out and maybe take more milk thistle or should I stop taking sdrol completely? Is liver pain common on superdrol and not really a big deal or should I schedule a dr. appointment right away?

On an unrelated note, I was planning on starting the PCT the day after the last day of my cycle, should I start it earlier? I wasn't clear on that in the beginning.

This is my set-up:

Cycle:


DO THIS

Beastdrol - 10, 20, 20, 20
Fish Oil - 9 caps a day
6 Liver tabs a day
Milk Thistle - 1 pill a day
Hawthorne Berry - 4 pills a day


PCT:

Nolva 40/30/20/10
AI sports Post cycle
Forma stanzol 5 pumps am/pm for 5wks
DAA
 
Well, I would stop and start PCT. Pain should go away, if it doesn't then you should see a doc. SD is hash on the liver.
 
That's really unfortunate to hear. I've never experienced that and my last cycle of SD was 30,30,30,30. I'd say just stop it if its really worrying u bro and start your pct.
 
if it's your last week, i'd prob. cut it off right there. i'm not too sure there's much to gain if you only have a couple more days left.

maybe up the milk thistle a little & take in some more water
 
Protege385 said:
I'm on a 4 week Beastdrol cycle (currently on week 4 day 3) and I'm not sure what to do about my liver pain. I noticed my abdomen hurting about a week ago and the pain has continued every day since. It usually hurts when I take the second 10 mg pill with my 4th meal of the day and the pain lasts about 1-2 hrs. After asking a few of my friends and explaining where I felt the pain (right side of abdomen right under rib-cage) I was informed that thats where my liver is located.
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Yes I have experienced this on the same cycle (30 SD x 4 weeks). I toughed it out, but that doesnt mean you should. I usually pop a few NAC or NOW Liver Support, and take my second dose with them, or take some before bed. Also, fluids. It has come and gone while on the SD, but now that I am done with the SD it is gone for good.

My desk reference says nolva is broken down in the liver. Common side effects include elevated LFTs, less common is hepatotoxicity and HCC (rare). IOW, going to PCT would probably be nicer to your liver than SD, but it still aint full relief.

Good luck, I wouldn't freak. Watch for yellow skin, make sure you cant actually feel your liver's edge under your rib cage on full expiration.
 
What does yellow skin indicate? I dont believe that my skin has turned yellow. I'd like some more input on this, looks look I'm leaning towards starting the PCT tomorrow.
 
Protege385 said:
What does yellow skin indicate? I dont believe that my skin has turned yellow. I'd like some more input on this, looks look I'm leaning towards starting the PCT tomorrow.
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Yellow skin indicates that your liver is not functioning as it should. Bilary duct blockage causes Bilirubin to build up. Have you looked at any of the hundreds of reports of cholestasis induced by superdrol?. All you have to do is google and you will find a ton of reports of liver damage.... Here is just one I found out of many.


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After reading the article I think its best to start my PCT tomorrow. Guess I'll be saying goodbye to oral sterons from now on.

Really is too bad since my weight shot up from 195 to 215 lbs on cycle without eating ridiculously over maintenance.
 
mattrag said:
SWEET GOD 30 for 4 weeks straight!? damn.
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Haha yeah bro I went HAM, but the lethargy was terrible and so were the back pumps. Holy sh*t though I felt unstoppable in the gym, I received a lot of WTF faces.
 
its probably not ur liver dude. i too have had strange pains on cycle in my abdomen on cycle. i saw a post a couple of days ago where some guy thought his kidney was hurtin. i dont think these pains are purely psychosomatic because complaints of pain is common. my last cycle, i developed pain in my back around my kidney until i stopped the cycle. i dont believe it was kidney pain though. i think these orals increase inflammation in the body which leads to mysterious pains. but, i would finish my cycle and not sweat it.
 
rebelhead said:
its probably not ur liver dude. i too have had strange pains on cycle in my abdomen on cycle. i saw a post a couple of days ago where some guy thought his kidney was hurtin. i dont think these pains are purely psychosomatic because complaints of pain is common. my last cycle, i developed pain in my back around my kidney until i stopped the cycle. i dont believe it was kidney pain though. i think these orals increase inflammation in the body which leads to mysterious pains. but, i would finish my cycle and not sweat it.
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You might be correct about it not being a big deal, but the pain is in the exact spot where my liver is. Hmmm, after reading the link T-Bone posted and some of the other stuff I'm more than a little worried about permanent damage. I loved what happened to my body during the cycle (20 lb weight gain and broke through every plateau easily), and the back pumps I heard so much about weren't really that big a deal. I just don't want my liver to be all messed up when I'm older.

Maybe it was a bad idea to use superdrol instead of something weaker?
 
Rebelhead those pains he is feeling in his back are the exact symptoms you see with elevated AST/ALT aka liver problems. OP you definitely need to get off cycle. You'll recover just fine, just drink tons of water during PCT and keep going hard in the gym. You'll still feel strong.
 
oli said:
20lbs in 4 weeks?!

good ****, buddy!!
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Thanks bro! Its probably mostly water and fat, but its all good. I went from being stuck on everything for months to easily breaking every PR and then some :)

Aite Donny G, I'll end the cycle and start the PCT immediately
 
Yeah that's the problem with these PHs. 4 weeks is not enough time for your body to adapt to the weight u put on, especially if its like 20 pounds. I'm going for longer cycles now just with a low dose, say 10 mg for 6 weeks of SD. If u want put on 8 solid pounds of muscle mass, that's a win in my book.
 
Yellow eyes show that you liver is very stressed. Never heard of yellow skin.

How much water do you consume a day?? how much do you take in when you take 10-20mg?? Whenever i take any PH i drink 20oz of water per cap i pop. So 20mg of epi, id drink 40oz of water. (in about 15 min. i dont just slam it all down at once)
 
gymrat827 said:
Yellow eyes show that you liver is very stressed. Never heard of yellow skin.
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yeah, yellowing in the eyes ("scleral icterus") is the most common early location to spot hyperbilirubinemia. (sublingual, below the tongue, is sposed to be the absolute earliest place to spot it, but this hasnt been useful in my experience) Yellowing of the skin is a late finding, probably more applicable to chronic hepatitis or cirrhosis. Hopefully none of us let our livers get that screwed.
 
gymrat827 said:
Yellow eyes show that you liver is very stressed. Never heard of yellow skin.

How much water do you consume a day?? how much do you take in when you take 10-20mg?? Whenever i take any PH i drink 20oz of water per cap i pop. So 20mg of epi, id drink 40oz of water. (in about 15 min. i dont just slam it all down at once)
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I take in About 1.25 gallons a day and I dont pay attention to exactly how much i drink with the 10 mg doses
 
I was going to start my PCT today, but I'm confused how much liquidex I should take. The PCT setup that someone hooked me up with said:

Nolva 40/30/20/10

But the dropper that was sent with my liquidex has increments of .10 and the whole dropper adds up to 1 ml. I think its obvious that I'm not going to fill the dropper 40 times, so I am I supposed to use 4 ml or .4 ml or neither?
 
Liquidex is not nolva...

Not the brand I'm thinking of at least

And on the bottle there should be a mg/ml amount.

Example 40mg / 1 ml

So you'd take 1 ml for a week.
 
MDiocre said:
yeah, yellowing in the eyes ("scleral icterus") is the most common early location to spot hyperbilirubinemia. (sublingual, below the tongue, is sposed to be the absolute earliest place to spot it, but this hasnt been useful in my experience) Yellowing of the skin is a late finding, probably more applicable to chronic hepatitis or cirrhosis. Hopefully none of us let our livers get that screwed.
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I did years ago with Superdrol. What I first noticed was itchy skin, especially when sweating. Then my appetite disappeared. I went from eating around 3500 calories a day to around 200 in less than two weeks. The smell of food made me feel nauseous, especially protein. Then the itching go worse and spread from my feet and back to all over my body. A week or two later and I noticed my eyes were yellow. When I noticed that, that is when I went to the emergency room and they told me my liver and kidney were no longer functioning. By this time I was itchy 24/7 my entire body so I couldn't sleep. Things progress so fast it was crazy. My Billirubin levels were in the 60's when normal is around .2-1.2. Good cholesterol levels were "too low to measure". This was back in 2005 when Katrina just hit or was making landfall. That is the short story about. I've told this many times on this board just to show how dangerous Superdrol can really be. A lot of people seem to not understand the risks involved. Yes I pre-loaded with support supplements and took liver protection. If you have a bad reaction to particular PH/PS/DS all the protection in the world isn't gonna help you, that is just how your body responds to it.
 
T-Bone said:
I did years ago with Superdrol. What I first noticed was itchy skin, especially when sweating. Then my appetite disappeared. I went from eating around 3500 calories a day to around 200 in less than two weeks. The smell of food made me feel nauseous, especially protein. Then the itching go worse and spread from my feet and back to all over my body. A week or two later and I noticed my eyes were yellow. When I noticed that, that is when I went to the emergency room and they told me my liver and kidney were no longer functioning. By this time I was itchy 24/7 my entire body so I couldn't sleep. Things progress so fast it was crazy. My Billirubin levels were in the 60's when normal is around .2-1.2. Good cholesterol levels were "too low to measure". This was back in 2005 when Katrina just hit or was making landfall. That is the short story about. I've told this many times on this board just to show how dangerous Superdrol can really be. A lot of people seem to not understand the risks involved. Yes I pre-loaded with support supplements and took liver protection. If you have a bad reaction to particular PH/PS/DS all the protection in the world isn't gonna help you, that is just how your body responds to it.
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Wow. Thanks for sharing.
 
carpee said:
Liquidex is not nolva...

Not the brand I'm thinking of at least

And on the bottle there should be a mg/ml amount.

Example 40mg / 1 ml

So you'd take 1 ml for a week.
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Thanks for the answer! I thought liquidex is just liquid nolva. Its liquid Tamox, is that not the same thing? Its too late to try and find a nolva source now since Im starting the PCT today :(
 
Protege385 said:
Thanks for the answer! I thought liquidex is just liquid nolva. Its liquid Tamox, is that not the same thing? Its too late to try and find a nolva source now since Im starting the PCT today :(
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If it's tamox you're good.

The liquidex I'm referring to is arimidex
 
T-Bone said:
I did years ago with Superdrol. What I first noticed was itchy skin, especially when sweating. Then my appetite disappeared. I went from eating around 3500 calories a day to around 200 in less than two weeks. The smell of food made me feel nauseous, especially protein. Then the itching go worse and spread from my feet and back to all over my body. A week or two later and I noticed my eyes were yellow. When I noticed that, that is when I went to the emergency room and they told me my liver and kidney were no longer functioning. By this time I was itchy 24/7 my entire body so I couldn't sleep. Things progress so fast it was crazy. My Billirubin levels were in the 60's when normal is around .2-1.2. Good cholesterol levels were "too low to measure". This was back in 2005 when Katrina just hit or was making landfall. That is the short story about. I've told this many times on this board just to show how dangerous Superdrol can really be. A lot of people seem to not understand the risks involved. Yes I pre-loaded with support supplements and took liver protection. If you have a bad reaction to particular PH/PS/DS all the protection in the world isn't gonna help you, that is just how your body responds to it.
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what did they do for u at the hospital? i was wondering how they would treat this condition.
 
rebelhead said:
what did they do for u at the hospital? i was wondering how they would treat this condition.
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Not very much. I got a liver biopsy. Also they gave cholestyramine which I took twice a day if I remember correctly. They wouldn't give me any drugs for the itching because any drug they could give me is metabolized by the liver. There was one exception though and that was IV benadryl. That stuff worked pretty damn good for about 45 minutes. They had a liver transplant team on standby and kept taking blood to see if my levels would stop going up. It was pretty bad though for 3-4 months I was in and out of the hospital. The thing is I was so itchy I could never sleep so I don't remember much of what they actually did to treat me. I scratched so much I'd get my sheets all bloody and the nurses would yell at me. The only that seemed to help was ice cold showers or foot baths. I would turn the shower on full blast cold and numb my skin enough so I didn't feel the itchiness.
 
Tbone....

Wow I swear I talked to you or someone that experienced the IDENTICAL reaction to superdrol.....

cholestais, jaundice itchy skin, yellowing, had to be hospitalized, lot of weakness etc...

Freaked the hell out of me as I was at a plateau and knew people who gained 20-25lbs off SuperDrone LV (alpha version)

and wanted to reach 275ish......but realized I value longevity....

Nasty stuff.

Matt
 
I had this happen I ran superdroll clone 30mg a day 4th wk or so I had pain and wound up in hospital for 10 days with liver absess what I had read you should start post cycle 5 to 7 day before your cycle ends and run it as long as the cycle you have been taking you need to get checked out this is a very serious side and can cause long term complication and looking your support cycle and pct is not even close to what you need to combat how harsh superdroll is now after doing research I run superdroll at 30 for up to 6wks with correct support and pct with no other complication do you research !!!!
 
T-Bone said:
Not very much. I got a liver biopsy.
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By any chance do you have a copy of the pathology report, or remember any official diganosis on it?

Did you inform the hospital of what you'd been taking?

Just curious from an academic standpoint... glad you came out alive.
 
Protege385 said:
What does yellow skin indicate? I dont believe that my skin has turned yellow. I'd like some more input on this, looks look I'm leaning towards starting the PCT tomorrow.
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First thing is your urine will darken. Next your bowel movements will become lighter in color. Check your eyes and squeeze your nailbeds to see if the return pink or look yellow.Skin is the last effected and sometimes isn't at all. Methylated orals are harsh on the liver. Katanadrol and Test C are my current cycle with formestane. Don't screw with Mr. Liver! I did in my earlier AAS days and have regretted it. Cut your cycle get some NAC. Livers can regenerate depending upon the amount of damage but you don't want to go there. Good Luck .
 
MDiocre said:
By any chance do you have a copy of the pathology report, or remember any official diganosis on it?

Did you inform the hospital of what you'd been taking?

Just curious from an academic standpoint... glad you came out alive.
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Yes the doctor knew exactly what I was taking and everything I took.

Discharge Diagnosis was

1. Hepatic cholestasis secondary to steroid supplement use.
2. Pruritus secondary to above.

Also found some paper work saying "hyperbilirubinemia and icterus"

Was just looking through a box of old paperwork I have for some reason. That was really depressing, putting it away now. I'd rather forget that time in my life so many years ago.
 
jizmo said:
First thing is your urine will darken. Next your bowel movements will become lighter in color. Check your eyes and squeeze your nailbeds to see if the return pink or look yellow.Skin is the last effected and sometimes isn't at all. Methylated orals are harsh on the liver. Katanadrol and Test C are my current cycle with formestane. Don't screw with Mr. Liver! I did in my earlier AAS days and have regretted it. Cut your cycle get some NAC. Livers can regenerate depending upon the amount of damage but you don't want to go there. Good Luck .
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Yeah I remember them saying to me that if things didn't improve they could cut the diseased part of the liver off and it would re-generate clean new tissue. If it came to that. Thank the LORD it didn't though.
 
stop the pills and go to doc. this is not normal unless you already have a messed up liver or are a heavy drinker. a few days of beats shoudl not be like this
 
I didn't take any superdrol today and I still experienced the pain (although only about half as much of it), I also noticed some new pain in my lower/mid back that hit me around the same time. I took a good look at my eyes a couple times today and they were completely clear as far as I can tell.

I think I might have to schedule a dr appointment next week if things dont improve. This so frustrating since I experienced literally 0 side effects from the epistane I did 4 months ago and was confident this would be relatively safe to try.
 
T-Bone said:
Yeah I remember them saying to me that if things didn't improve they could cut the diseased part of the liver off and it would re-generate clean new tissue. If it came to that. Thank the LORD it didn't though.
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Story is scary as fuq. Each time I read something I come across it. I'm only running 50/50/50/50 of p-mag and you make me want to stop just cause I dont want any issues. I know folks are like 50mg 4 weeks is a bishes dose, but man I don't want a bad experience like that.
 
Do you have any NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine)? TUDCA?


also:
Milk Thistle - 1 pill a day

^- useless information if you don't say how much silymarin is in a pill.
 
smt1 said:
Do you have any NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine)? TUDCA?
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Me personally I'm using AIs life support. Get at least 4 caps down a day if not an extra cap or two. (just popped an extra 1 so 5 today so far ;))


If I can recall I think 2 caps is 500 or 600mg or milk thistle and NAC and hawthorn berry is 500 as well as red yeast rice....
 
AaronJP1 said:
Me personally I'm using AIs life support. Get at least 4 caps down a day if not an extra cap or two. (just popped an extra 1 so 5 today so far ;))


If I can recall I think 2 caps is 500 or 600mg or milk thistle and NAC and hawthorn berry is 500 as well as red yeast rice....
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Not bad - I'm usually skeptical of those multi substance products, but if you're taking 4, then the doses don't sound bad.
 
Its not your liver

Anabolics are known to cause muscle cramping, i've experienced it before with ostarine and other stuff. I've been getting some of that too, i'm on superdrol (30mg) supertren (40mg) 1-andro (350mg) but nothing too serious. Try drinking more water and eating some avocados (they have more potassium than bananas).

from my experience, you'll experience jaundice way before you have any liver pain if you're going into liver failure. For example, when I was 17 I went into liver failure about 6 hours after taking an overdose of various illicit drugs, and was experiencing serious facial bloating and yellowing of the whites of my eyes and skin in the ER, which is all reversible with an IV of some **** they give you if you get there in time. But I had absolutely no abdominal pain, my liver felt fine, I would have gone into irreversible liver failure and been none the wiser. Other than not breathing I thought I was ok.

Your fine, if you're really worried, go get some blood work done, check your liver enzyme levels.
 
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jizmo said:
Probably pancreatitus which can turn into a real painful experience. Not an MD but played one in a high school production of Fiddler On My Neck
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Its not pancreatitus or liver failure. Anabolics can cause cramping, drink more water and eat some avocados. You only experience liver pain when your liver is inflamed, seeing as your liver has no nerves in it. You would experience yellowing of the eyes and skin before you would feel any pain.

when i was 17 I went into liver failure due to a drug overdose (not steroids), and in the ER I was experiencing serious facial bloating and yellowing of the whites of my eyes and skin. Thankfully, since I got to the ER within 6 hours, they reversed it with an IV of some **** they give people going into liver failure. But I had no abdominal pain, my liver felt fine, I would have died of cerrosis and been none the wiser. Other than not breathing, I felt fine.
 
the pain could simply be gastrointestinal pain caused by stomach inflammation from the superdrol. my brother had cirrhosis from alcohol and never experienced any pain until his stomach became inflamed and he went to the hospital. after a biopsy they told him about his liver. he had probably had cirrhosis for a long time and never even knew it.
 
AndyMaytag said:
Its not pancreatitus or liver failure. Anabolics can cause cramping, drink more water and eat some avocados. You only experience liver pain when your liver is inflamed, seeing as your liver has no nerves in it. You would experience yellowing of the eyes and skin before you would feel any pain.

when i was 17 I went into liver failure due to a drug overdose (not steroids), and in the ER I was experiencing serious facial bloating and yellowing of the whites of my eyes and skin. Thankfully, since I got to the ER within 6 hours, they reversed it with an IV of some **** they give people going into liver failure. But I had no abdominal pain, my liver felt fine, I would have died of cerrosis and been none the wiser. Other than not breathing, I felt fine.
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Not breathing that is pretty scary luckily they gave u an iv (you don't know what it was?) and u were able to breath and you're liver didn't stop working.

I remember I was in the ER (went to EMT school) and this chick swallows Tylenol a lot of them. She got her stomach pumped and a catheter....
 
AaronJP1 said:
Not breathing that is pretty scary luckily they gave u an iv (you don't know what it was?) and u were able to breath and you're liver didn't stop working.
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Could've been IV NAC. Depending on the drug overdosed on, it couldve been naloxone (Narcan) if it was a heroin/opiate overdose. Flumazenil for a benzo OD. Both of these could restore breathing by relieving respiratory depression induced by either of these drugs. Doesnt really matter, just throwing out some guesses
 
MDiocre said:
Could've been IV NAC. Depending on the drug overdosed on, it couldve been naloxone (Narcan) if it was a heroin/opiate overdose. Flumazenil for a benzo OD. Both of these could restore breathing by relieving respiratory depression induced by either of these drugs. Doesnt really matter, just throwing out some guesses
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True. Just some scary ****. Glad them docs study for years and know WTF they doing :thumbsup: lol
 
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