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First cycle Test c

dcb379688

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I am currently on week 8 of my first Cycle of 400mg/week of Test C. I gained some quick 15lbs of water weight and slowly brought on some gains but I believe are really just starting.

I have my pct all set up but have some questions, some advice would be great.

1.) I planned on 12 weeks, but I have heard from many sources to go longer especially if my gains started a little late.. considering my gains started late should I go more than 12 weeks?

2.) I have 10,000mg of HCG on hand..heard so many different opinions on to take or not... I have heard, start week before end of test and finish before pct.

Planned pct as followed...
Week
1-nolvadex 40mg/day
Clomid 50mg/day
2-nolvadex 40mg/day
Clomid 50mg/day
3-nolvadex 20mg/day
Clomid 50mg/day
4-nolvadex 20mg/day
Clomid 50mg/day

Have Letro on hand incase of gyno.

Will post diet on Nutrition section.

Any help would be great!
 
You don't want to run the hcg IN your pct. If your gonna do the hcg throw it in while your on cycle at something like 250iu 2x a week.
 
Right I have read either though out or at the end...I think I may just save it for my 2nd cycle if I decide to. Does anyone have any thoughts on my question about cycle length or my pct plan??
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
You don't want to run the hcg IN your pct. If your gonna do the hcg throw it in while your on cycle at something like 250iu 2x a week.
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do this.


you want to run the cycle 12-18wks with test c. Anything over 12 is kinda long for a 1st time but if you are using just test it shouldnt be too bad. Id go for 15wks total, start using the hcg on wk 5 or 6. Reason why you wana go longer is cuz tes c takes so long to kick in and really shine. So at 8wks is where all the fun really starts and with your plan you stop there. If you did just go 8wks i bet you would think just test blows as a cycle and would want to toss in deca & d bol.


pct- serms too high

nolva
40/20/10/10
Clomid
75/50/25/25
Letro
.25/.125/.125-----mg & E3D dosing
 
Thanks gymrat....considering I am on week 8 going on 9 already I think I may just save the HCG for a 2nd cycle.

Should I use Letro either way even if no gyno is present?

Also, any advice on training intensity/volume during pct and after...Should I be worried about over training and cortisol shooting up? Should I throw in some cardio after I get off and less lifting?

Thanks again.
 
you want to use an AI during pct but all you have is letro. Get some aromasin.


go 25/12.5/12.5/6 in pct.



while ON cycle you should up your total training volume since over training will be so much harder cuz your hormones. Do a bit of cardio each wk to stop any bodyfat from building up on you. But dont go at it hard unless you want to cut. Cortisol can be controlled with vit C @ 1000mg 3-4x ED
 
DCB,

Either use HCG concurrently on cycle like suggested above at 250iu twice weekly of for 10 days after your final testosterone shot, at 500iu per day. This will be use as the supraphysiological hormone levels die down and by the time 10 days has gone by, you are ready to start your PCT from that point on.

Never been a fan of clomid or nolva and liked Aromasin best. 25mgs daily for 3 weeks or so in conjunction with perhaps Sodium - d aspartate would be awesome. If libido is of huge concern for you then testosterone Conversion factor-1 (sodiumDaspartate) would be great, and for increased blood flow to extremities, topical sustain alpha has users slathering it on their sack and reporting back rock hard erections.

I was weirded out at first, then went into the bathroom and decided what the hell, and slathered it on them thick....needless to say I was walking around more "pumped" later......(be careful wearing sweatpants) someone might get offended.

-Matt
 
I don't have access to any AI right now all I grabbed for my cycle was the clomid, nolva, HCG and Letro. What are the pros/cons of using an AI like aromasin isn't it mainly to stop bloat?

I'm thinking I should go 15-16 weeks for test. HCG for 10 days after last shot...anyone have any advice on overall taking HCG?

Thanks
 
dcb379688 said:
I don't have access to any AI right now all I grabbed for my cycle was the clomid, nolva, HCG and Letro. What are the pros/cons of using an AI like aromasin isn't it mainly to stop bloat?

I'm thinking I should go 15-16 weeks for test. HCG for 10 days after last shot...anyone have any advice on overall taking HCG?

Thanks
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Hate clom, hate Nolva....and letro is brutal on lipids , sex drive , immunity and estro.....

Use the nolva con currently with the 10 day hcg run....

HCG is cool to do as you said though....

-Matt
 
Ok so I will be running my Test C for 15 or 16 weeks...this is what I have planned for pct...

Nolva- 40/20/10/10
Clomid- 75/50/25/25

I am trying to get some aromasin...my question is if I don't have much bloat, or signs of gyno is it necessary to take during cycle...also for pct?

As for Letro should I only use incase of gyno?

As for HCG, considering I am planning on 15 weeks or so should I take it the last few weeks or after last shot for 10 days, is it worth taking for better/faster recovery?

If someone could answer all my questions that would be great!
 
dcb379688 said:
Ok so I will be running my Test C for 15 or 16 weeks...this is what I have planned for pct...

Nolva- 40/20/10/10
Clomid- 75/50/25/25

I am trying to get some aromasin...my question is if I don't have much bloat, or signs of gyno is it necessary to take during cycle...also for pct?

As for Letro should I only use incase of gyno?

As for HCG, considering I am planning on 15 weeks or so should I take it the last few weeks or after last shot for 10 days, is it worth taking for better/faster recovery?

If someone could answer all my questions that would be great!
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Only use AI if you are super sensitive to estrogenic effects. AI's are pretty unhealthy on the libido, immune system, lipid panel and igf-1 levels... If you really want to get the most out of your testosterone and not have the other sides from AI's stack the test with Masteron (300/week) or proviron or even our new Androhard v3 as a pure DHT based product with mitigate estrogenic sides and also complement the testosterone nicely.

Use HCG which ever way you feel comfortable with. I would prefer to PREVENT the problem oppose to REVERSE/FIX the problem so running it along side the cycle twice weekly would suffice.

-Matt
 
dcb379688 said:
I am currently on week 8 of my first Cycle of 400mg/week of Test C. I gained some quick 15lbs of water weight and slowly brought on some gains but I believe are really just starting.

I have my pct all set up but have some questions, some advice would be great.

1.) I planned on 12 weeks, but I have heard from many sources to go longer especially if my gains started a little late.. considering my gains started late should I go more than 12 weeks?

2.) I have 10,000mg of HCG on hand..heard so many different opinions on to take or not... I have heard, start week before end of test and finish before pct.

You should have ideally been using 250-500 iu hcg x2/wk since the start of the cycle, continued for two weeks after the cycle while the hormones clear prior to starting PCT. You may run 2000 iu EOD for 2 weeks while the hormones clear, but I think that is too high of a dosage and may cause desensitization quickly. (Unfortunately now 500-1000iu total per week won't be enough during this two week period if it was never used on cycle).

Planned pct as followed...
Week
1-nolvadex 40mg/day
Clomid 50mg/day
2-nolvadex 40mg/day
Clomid 50mg/day
3-nolvadex 20mg/day
Clomid 50mg/day
4-nolvadex 20mg/day
Clomid 50mg/day


That is a pretty crazy agressive and overkill PCT IMO. it should look much more like:
Clomid 100(for 3 days)50(4 days)/50/25/25
Nolva 20/20/10/10

Have Letro on hand incase of gyno.

Will post diet on Nutrition section.

Any help would be great!
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Please not the recommendations is blue.

BEAST
 
dcb379688 said:
Ok so I will be running my Test C for 15 or 16 weeks...this is what I have planned for pct...

Nolva- 40/20/10/10
Clomid- 75/50/25/25

I am trying to get some aromasin...my question is if I don't have much bloat, or signs of gyno is it necessary to take during cycle...also for pct?

As for Letro should I only use incase of gyno?

As for HCG, considering I am planning on 15 weeks or so should I take it the last few weeks or after last shot for 10 days, is it worth taking for better/faster recovery?

Since you are already eight weeks into the planned 15 I think you really only have two options.
1. Try the two week clearing period dosing of 2000 EOD. OR
2. Try to blast hcg for a few weeks now i.e. 1000 iu x3/week for 1-4 weeks and then continue on with a standard 250-500 iu x2/wk for the duration as should be standard op.

If someone could answer all my questions that would be great!
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Again note the recommendations in blue. I would personally opt for option 2. I think it would be easier on the body overall, and more effective.

BEAST
 
Thanks wilderbeast....should I stop HCG with my test cycle or should I go until I start pct?

Note I have 10,000iu of HCG (2 kits), not sure if your option two would be too much...just to clarify, 1000iu 3 times per week for 3 weeks which would amount to 9000iu which leaves me 1000iu for about 2 weeks if I did 250iu 2 times per week? Would that be the best route?

Also, what's your take on AI for pct, will I be fine without it? I am trying to get it but not sure if I can at this moment.

Thanks again.
 
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