the results are blatantly clear: It doesn't matter what the carb source is.
I just wanted to add something *very* interesting to this thread, which was my original question.
I found a thread on another board, specifically a post by Ken "Skip" Hill (man needs no introduction),
the thread/post is called "Guinea Pig Experiment" and this is Mr. Hill first post than I'm freely copy/pasting here,
post that really seems a direct reply to my original question (of course is not, but I am grateful I found it nonetheless
)
Dated 05-03-2011 so not like 6 years ago..
The Guinea Pig Experiment
Yeah .... it takes me a while.
Finally wanted to post some details of what the Guinea Pig experiment is and how it is going. It is very simple, really, and most of you know that when others preach on the boards about what works and what doesn't, I PROVE what works and what doesn't and I don't believe anyone until I see it for myself. I have debunked many concepts that people seem to think are either tried and true or written in stone over the last 10 years.
The latest? I took on 15 people to see whether the carb source matters or not. This has NOTHING to do with health, this is entirely about whether you can lose body fat, gain muscle (or maintain muscle) and improve your condition. We are monitoring strength gains, bodyweight, hunger, etc.. Pretty much all of the things you would monitor on any other diet.
I honestly wasn't sure and had no real preconceived notions going in. I did think it was very possible that the carb sources didn't matter but .... just wanted to see first hand.
The results SO FAR (after 2 months)?? Every single person of the 15 that are committed and consistent are losing body fat and gaining strength without hunger being any more of an issue than with clean carb sources. Of the 15 I have 3 or 4 that aren't 100% consistent for different reasons but the others that are, the results are blatantly clear: It doesn't matter what the carb source is.
The guidelines for carbs sources for this diet are simple, as well: They cannot be clean carb sources - they HAVE to be refined carbs with low fat just as you would use for a Skipload. You can even use full-flavor SODA. That means these guys are eating pancakes, cereal, low-fat cookies, you name it. They are essentially using the same carb sources that they are Skiploading with on the weekends. And, yes, they are STILL SKIPLOADING.
The experiment isn't done yet as we still have about another month or so but I don't anticipate the results changing, all of a sudden, after being successful for the first 2 months.
What does this prove? Not much for health because I have no idea whether this would be a good idea for your health or what impact it would have on your blood panel. What it clearly shows to ME is that even contest prep may be changing for my clients very soon. Oh, and if you hear someone argue that I am nuts or this can't work, just know they don't have a ****ing clue. They are simply regurgitating what they have HEARD from others. I know it will work because I am seeing it first hand.
I would encourage my clients that are doing this plan to get in here and freely discuss their results, so far, with anyone that has any questions.
Skip
While there's not much to add to this, i do want to update my experience which is directly connected
to Ken's report.
I'm now heading towards my 8th refeed, in my previous 7 refeeds I've been slowly increasing
my carb intake each time, that's because as you guys know I had problem downing all the carbs (and all
that food for what matters) due to my small a## stomach (again due to my long term low carbs/low cals diet).
Following McDonald's refeed guide for macros, timing, calories to aim for, carbs to aim for, etc..
I'm now very close to what the ideal carb/cals intake for my refeed is for me and I've been using
as my only source of carbs breakfast cereals.
Yes, like cheerios and rice krispies.
With water and something like 5gr of whey for flavor. Fats around 10gr or so and protein
a bit less of my normal daily intake (not for any reason if that I still have hard time downing all that food
in one day, so I give priority to carbs since it's refeed/carb-up).
Results are pretty amazing for me so far, my strength went up overall, nothing mindblowing
but enough to beat my PRs on all the compound exercises and going up with weights pretty much
everywhere, and most important, I am doing absolutely *lean* gains.
Now, this in my world translates in very lil gains of course as I'm in cal deficit the rest of the week,
but still pretty impressive.
My muscles looks MUCH fuller, more than with any other supplements that is suppose to make you
look fuller, size actually increased and my BF is not only the same but if anything even better, same for
vascularity (actually this one is noticeably better)
I don't even seem to retain water the next day, I wake up in the morning (after the refeed) super tight.
So, I can only confirm from personal experience that Ken Hill's finding is actually true (at least for me).
I do believe this is a very subjective matter, and I also start to believe it has to do with individuals,
what we digest well and whatnot (like my body hates oats and potatoes for example)
If I can get around it, I'll even post some new pictures
