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FitModel

FitModel

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If someone were to need to have their test levels reflect that of being on 100mg/week and was say using more then that prior to/currently, roughly how long would that person need to reduce to 100mgs/week for that to b reflected accurately on a blood test? My guess is for maybe a month?
 
just calculate it based on the 1/2 lif of whatever you're using. you can find 1/2life info easily, and just put the numbers into excel or something.
 
@ 6 weeks after ceasing cycle ...(a similar circumstance) ...I was 200 pt's higher....4 weeks after that I was near pre prescription level...so 10 weeks for me....I ran 500 cyp/ 225 tren for 12 weeks....back to 100mg every week now...it takes a while to taper down...
 
Yeah it's not as simple as just the half life, ur hormone levels are still effected long after the 12-14 day half life ( test e)

Maybe it would be best to go completely off for a month prior to testing

(this is a hypothetical scenario)
 
You can always get a independent blood from the sticky here, and see what your levels are like before you go in. Also, it is as simple as 1/2 lifes...
Assuming 14-day 1/2 life of test-e
500mg test-e day 1
250mg test-e day 14
125mg test-e day 28
62.5mg test-e day 42
etc...

Unless there's a non-linear breakdown of the compound, in which case it would likely be faster. So you basically plug in all the dates and times you pin, and compound it. This is also a way to calculate blood levels. If I'm wrong on something, please enlighten me, but that's they way I've been doing it for my past PH cycles.
 
I don't get it. First, that's not how half life works. And second, that has no bearing on your blood levels.

Take your example... At day 14, in theory, you would have cleaved off half of the esters leaving 250 left in the depot. The next half life is in 7 days, not 14. then the next is 3.5 and so on. Half life is not "half" per se. Also, esters are not that precise as to rely on equal cleavage every day. The breakdown, using your example, would be as follows:
500mg test-e day one
250mg test-e day 14
125mg test-e day 21
62.5 test-e day 24
In your example, you're basically saying that at half life, you're really only maybe 1/4 of the life; it makes no sense.

Your blood levels do not follow the theory behind ester cleavage. I'll give you real life examples, because I test my blood all the time. In one blood test, I shot 500mgs test-e/400mgs masteron on Sunday. I tested Friday and my test was at 1500. Last month, I'm cruising at 200mgs per week. My doctor did a blood panel on Friday. I had shot 200mgs test-e on Sunday. My test was 800 and E2 18. I did my own independent test two weeks later (same lab, same exact dosage) and my test was 1500 and E2 was 127. In yet another test, I shot basically the same 500mg test-e but substituted equip at 400mg instead of mast. I tested the nest day. Blood levels were 6000.

It is my opinion that esters cleave off much more rapidly than half life suggests. I believe that if you inject 500mg on Monday, you're basically out of gas by Sunday.



gaijininjapan said:
You can always get a independent blood from the sticky here, and see what your levels are like before you go in. Also, it is as simple as 1/2 lifes...
Assuming 14-day 1/2 life of test-e
500mg test-e day 1
250mg test-e day 14
125mg test-e day 28
62.5mg test-e day 42
etc...

Unless there's a non-linear breakdown of the compound, in which case it would likely be faster. So you basically plug in all the dates and times you pin, and compound it. This is also a way to calculate blood levels. If I'm wrong on something, please enlighten me, but that's they way I've been doing it for my past PH cycles.
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You're right, it's not as simple as half life. However, I have found that test levels are actually much less near half life, not higher, as you're suggesting. Do not just go off for a month. Your E2 will soar unless you're controlling it.

What do you expect your test levels to be injecting 100mgs per week? What does your doctor expect the levels to be? My guess is under 900. Not knowing what you've been injecting, I'd allow two weeks min., on 100mgs per wk then test on the furthest day possible from the day of injection. You can always do your own test to be sure.

FitModel said:
Yeah it's not as simple as just the half life, ur hormone levels are still effected long after the 12-14 day half life ( test e)

Maybe it would be best to go completely off for a month prior to testing

(this is a hypothetical scenario)
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DetroitHammer said:
I don't get it. First, that's not how half life works. And second, that has no bearing on your blood levels.

Take your example... At day 14, in theory, you would have cleaved off half of the esters leaving 250 left in the depot. The next half life is in 7 days, not 14. then the next is 3.5 and so on.
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You got that wrong there, 1/2 life is the time it takes for a compound to decay to 1/2 the amount. so if you start at 100% with something that has a 1/2-life of 14-days...
day 1 = 100%
day 14 = 50% first 1/2 life
day 28 = 25% second 1/2 life
day 42 = 12.5% third 1/2 life
etc...

This is an average since each person's body will process things differently. Also, when you cycle, you're adding more test before the last pinned esters have left your body, so it will stack up.

Invalid Link Removedhere's a simple calculator there that will apply what I said and show your the residual ester that remains in your body, compounding all the prior pins. If OP is pinning 100mg/wk, just plug that in to find out when a stable blood average level is reached, and then plug in the intended cycle, and you should be able to tell when blood serum levels have fallen to the same amount as the 100/wk. Of course, only actual bloodwork can confirm.
 
Totally disagree. In your scenario, it would go on for infinity... I can see where you get the calculations you cite, but I'd argue that for the purposes of calculating serum levels, you'd have to use a zero order kinetics chart to accurately predict serum levels, based on just one injection.

gaijininjapan said:
You got that wrong there, 1/2 life is the time it takes for a compound to decay to 1/2 the amount. so if you start at 100% with something that has a 1/2-life of 14-days...
day 1 = 100%
day 14 = 50% first 1/2 life
day 28 = 25% second 1/2 life
day 42 = 12.5% third 1/2 life
etc...

This is an average since each person's body will process things differently. Also, when you cycle, you're adding more test before the last pinned esters have left your body, so it will stack up.

Invalid Link Removedhere's a simple calculator there that will apply what I said and show your the residual ester that remains in your body, compounding all the prior pins. If OP is pinning 100mg/wk, just plug that in to find out when a stable blood average level is reached, and then plug in the intended cycle, and you should be able to tell when blood serum levels have fallen to the same amount as the 100/wk. Of course, only actual bloodwork can confirm.
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Well, we can all agree to disagree. :-) anyways, we're digressing from OP's question, if he's even reading this anymore.

As for blood levels, best way is to take some sort of average between the strict 1/2 life formula and what others have personally attested to through blood tests, and spend the $50 and go get a private blood test if you're uneasy about telling your endo about it.

I'll be getting at least 3 bloods done during my cycle, that's for sure.
 
Now "that" I agree with 100%. All the math, guess work and assumptions mean nothing. You need a blood profile to really know what's going on. Three etsts during one cycle? Man, that's doing your homework.

gaijininjapan said:
Well, we can all agree to disagree. :-) anyways, we're digressing from OP's question, if he's even reading this anymore.

As for blood levels, best way is to take some sort of average between the strict 1/2 life formula and what others have personally attested to through blood tests, and spend the $50 and go get a private blood test if you're uneasy about telling your endo about it.

I'll be getting at least 3 bloods done during my cycle, that's for sure.
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Lol. I just checked in. Thanks for the info guys, I think I agree (mostly) with detroithammer.

Subject has dialed back dose as of last weekend to 80mg/wk. from 250. Will be testing in about 4 weeks, aiming to test 5-7 days after inj. To seek the lower test reading. For first two week of 80mg protocol will use 20mgs of dbol to keep gains coming. Thoughts?

I believe on this when testing in 4 week levels will be far below 900. I was thinking 300-400 (total guess)

Also aiming to get estrogen on the higher side in order to qualify for Adex and/or nolva script

(this is a hypothetical scenario)
 
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