New E-pharm product: URSOBOLIC !

Ive dropped from 172 down to 168 since using Ursobolic (not standalone), Ive been able to get past a sticking point, and I was running EC at that sticking point.

Would love to drop to 159, that would be insane for me...dunno if Ill hit that but Im going to try.
 
ax1 said:
Ive dropped from 172 down to 168 since using Ursobolic (not standalone), Ive been able to get past a sticking point, and I was running EC at that sticking point.

Would love to drop to 159, that would be insane for me...dunno if Ill hit that but Im going to try.
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what else you running on top of that? Anything that might be synergistic?
 
mattrag said:
what else you running on top of that? Anything that might be synergistic?
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Stuff in and out, I initially stopped taking EC and after the first week I decided to add it again. Im taking natty test booster and ai (no Im not in pct) but that doesnt explain the ability to control my appetite.

I havent done cardio in 3 weeks due to a minor knee tweak and the fact that its getting cold, but my endgame here is controlling my diet and continuing to lift intensely.

Synergistic? Sure, but I do feel Ursobolic is helping me get there.
 
ax1 said:
Stuff in and out, I initially stopped taking EC and after the first week I decided to add it again. Im taking natty test booster and ai (no Im not in pct) but that doesnt explain the ability to control my appetite.

I havent done cardio in 3 weeks due to a minor knee tweak and the fact that its getting cold, but my endgame here is controlling my diet and continuing to lift intensely.

Synergistic? Sure, but I do feel Ursobolic is helping me get there.
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I find I tend to be always on something... So just wondering if you were on something that you felt was synergistic ;). I know you like Ebol. I was thinking these two could be pretty good together... donno why just crossed my mind lol.
 
mattrag said:
I find I tend to be always on something... So just wondering if you were on something that you felt was synergistic ;). I know you like Ebol. I was thinking these two could be pretty good together... donno why just crossed my mind lol.
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Im not taking that right now, Im cycling off of it but I do use that on and off year round.

Im not speaking exactly what products Im taking for political reasons, but Im taking a top quality non-DAA test booster and a esoteric AI as well as EC.

I may get my Slim Xtreme in today, so I may start that tomorrow and drop the EC.
 
ax1 said:
Im not taking that right now, Im cycling off of it but I do use that on and off year round.

Im not speaking exactly what products Im taking for political reasons, but Im taking a top quality non-DAA test booster and a esoteric AI as well as EC.

I may get my Slim Xtreme in today, so I may start that tomorrow and drop the EC.
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ah, sorry about the inquiry. Slim xtreme should be MEAN. I cant wait to get mine in too. Ill be running ursobolic on top of that as well ;)

To leansville we go.
 
mattrag said:
ah, sorry about the inquiry. Slim xtreme should be MEAN. I cant wait to get mine in too. Ill be running ursobolic on top of that as well ;)

To leansville we go.
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Try to propel your training and tweak your diet as much as possible...mental motivation is also a part of the game, and diet and training will be 95% of your success.
 
ax1 said:
Try to propel your training and tweak your diet as much as possible...mental motivation is also a part of the game, and diet and training will be 95% of your success.
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Yea I have a feeling my training will have to take a more aggressive route... classic bb style. I am currently strength training but my physique goals are more important atm as I dont want to be dancing in a diaper come christmas... (a bet)

Ursobolic should help me get lean and stay strong (of course im running it with everything, including a mild cycle).
 
mattrag said:
Yea I have a feeling my training will have to take a more aggressive route... classic bb style. I am currently strength training but my physique goals are more important atm as I dont want to be dancing in a diaper come christmas... (a bet)

Ursobolic should help me get lean and stay strong (of course im running it with everything, including a mild cycle).
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Classic old fashioned bb style is the route I run too...nothing imo is better.
 
Skimming back thru the thread, didn't see it...Anyone recall (or know) how potent the AI aspect Ursolic acid is, compared to other (well known) AI's?
 
schizm said:
Skimming back thru the thread, didn't see it...Anyone recall (or know) how potent the AI aspect Ursolic acid is, compared to other (well known) AI's?
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I think it's like next to nothing.. I just finished 8 weeks erase n started urso on my last week.. Everything feels n looks normal, I'm getting back to "normal" urso does not have any ai properties IMO.. Plus the bottle even says does not need to be cycled- there's ur answer I think

Of course PA will correct n scold me if I'm wrong ;)
 
miniarnold said:
slim extreme whats it for, natural ?
what ai you taking, any good natural ?

so your taking 2 other supps with ursobolic ?
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Its Slim Xtreme. Its a potent energy supplement, I wouldnt get into it right now if I were you, you seem a little inexperienced with supplements. Id stick to basics such as creatine mono and caffeine caps until your comfortable with choosing a designer supplement.

The second question is yes, along with EC as well.
 
chedapalooza said:
I think it's like next to nothing.. I just finished 8 weeks erase n started urso on my last week.. Everything feels n looks normal, I'm getting back to "normal" urso does not have any ai properties IMO.. Plus the bottle even says does not need to be cycled- there's ur answer I think

Of course PA will correct n scold me if I'm wrong ;)
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haha...thanks for the feedback regardless...and oh.so.in to witness a PA scolding :fing02: ;)
 
ax1 said:
Its Slim Xtreme. Its a potent energy supplement, I wouldnt get into it right now if I were you, you seem a little inexperienced with supplements. Id stick to basics such as creatine mono and caffeine caps until your comfortable with choosing a designer supplement.
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u seem to think you know me, you have no clue at all
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miniarnold said:
ax1 said:
Its Slim Xtreme. Its a potent energy supplement, I wouldnt get into it right now if I were you, you seem a little inexperienced with supplements. Id stick to basics such as creatine mono and caffeine caps until your comfortable with choosing a designer supplement.
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u seem to think you know me, you have no clue at all
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Based on your post, he has every right to be skeptical. Unbunch panties and you will see that you came across clueless in your post. Sorry but I laughed when I read it, AX1 just said what a lot of us would have but he beat us to it. Its for your own good if it prompts you to do some more research.
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Miniarnold...the way you continuously ask questions about supplements, and for a very long time leads me to believe your uncomfortable running any designer supplements...

I respect that your educating yourself about the products, and I advise you to continue doing so.

Until then there is nothing wrong with basics such as creatine mono and caffeine caps.

I wasnt trying to offend you.
 
schizm said:
Skimming back thru the thread, didn't see it...Anyone recall (or know) how potent the AI aspect Ursolic acid is, compared to other (well known) AI's?
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The AI potential is not strong it helps control estrogen not eradicate it
 
truthornothin said:
The AI potential is not strong it helps control estrogen not eradicate it
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...ya, I wouldn't have figured it was going to be any where near strong enough to totally eliminate it ;) ...just wondering if it's strength (at 9 caps/day) is anywhere near comparable to any other OTC AI's...from your experience, PA's experience or what the research suggests...
 
ax1 said:
Miniarnold...the way you continuously ask questions about supplements, and for a very long time leads me to believe your uncomfortable running any designer supplements...

I respect that your educating yourself about the products, and I advise you to continue doing so.

Until then there is nothing wrong with basics such as creatine mono and caffeine caps.

I wasnt trying to offend you.
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Right.

@ miniarnold- But repeatedly asking the same question in different threads and expecting different answers is kinda getting annoying. If you really want to know something hands down, do the research and then test the supplement with YOUR body. Your body is different from mine, and the next and the next. I've taken plenty of thnngs that did nothing for me, plenty that worked wonders, and plenty that wreaked havoc on my system til they wore off or I fixed it. Conversely, those very same supps could have done different things for any other given person... The only way to know is read, and make an educated decision to try something or not... There's only so Many ways we can tell u how things work n what they r INTENDED do... If they do or dont.. Is only for you to find out. No ones trying to trick u or Anything lol..
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Well I would PM you and arrange a trade, but now that you have giggled at me in such a way, I feel as if I shouldn't trust you...
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Trust no one (insert creepy X-Files music here )
 
chedapalooza said:
Right.

@ miniarnold- But repeatedly asking the same question in different threads and expecting different answers is kinda getting annoying. If you really want to know something hands down, do the research and then test the supplement with YOUR body. Your body is different from mine, and the next and the next. I've taken plenty of thnngs that did nothing for me, plenty that worked wonders, and plenty that wreaked havoc on my system til they wore off or I fixed it. Conversely, those very same supps could have done different things for any other given person... The only way to know is read, and make an educated decision to try something or not... There's only so Many ways we can tell u how things work n what they r INTENDED do... If they do or dont.. Is only for you to find out. No ones trying to trick u or Anything lol..
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I wasn't going to say anything but since the door has been opened, Yes that speaks of distrust. That's a classic interrogation technique, ask the same question over and over and try to trip some one up. It only works if the other party is in fact untruthful. You have gotten the same answers no matter where you have asked the question. Heads up, we are being honest. I was ready to give you a pass but I saw just the other day on another thread you started up the whole infertility issue again a month later. I am more than happy to answer any legitimate question posed to me. If I do not know the answer I'll take it to the man that does. But the games are becoming tiresome and detracting from my ability to answer and provide assistance to those that legitimately request it. Thanks chedapalooza, I couldn't have said it any better.
 
I am going to add in a few bottles in my PCT, curious what it will do for me. Will post thoughts about it here once I am done.
 
ax1 said:
Miniarnold...the way you continuously ask questions about supplements, and for a very long time leads me to believe your uncomfortable running any designer supplements...

I respect that your educating yourself about the products, and I advise you to continue doing so.

Until then there is nothing wrong with basics such as creatine mono and caffeine caps.

I wasnt trying to offend you.
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fair enough,
i am just curious about these designer supps as you call them, what they are supposodly supposed to do and marketed for, i have took other supps other than the basics not many tho, so i find it interesting to research read and ask, perhaps inexperienced as you say, curious about supposidly effective supplements for physical gains then i make an informed decision on wether or not to try the so called effective (not basic supps),
but your right nothing wrong with sticking to the basics, so why dont we ALL stick to the basics?.....becos in my opinion the basics will only take a certain physique so far

i am natty and always have been so i am quite interested in any natty supps that could help/give a boost to building a natty physique aside from the basics, which undoubtably are all thats needed for a natural to build a quality physique (given all other factors are in place etc etc)

im a question man i like to ask if i dont know read research etc, i dont pretend to know about things i dont know about, but i assure you i am experienced (obv not about designer supps) and know a thing or two about this game.

lets train!
 
perhaps i repeat myself sometimes as i maybe dont get a straight answer, i distrust nobodys answers or opinions and experiences on here and figure people are not lying and being dishonest/genuine, i am a stand up guy and cant stand people who lie and have no reason to believe people here are not dishonest in whatever they answer to
i kno full well everyting will work different for everybody without a doubt, i simply as about peoples own individual experiences with said supps knowing that it wont mean thats how it will work for person a or b, no one size fits all or cookie cutter approach.
i will reduce types of qs as i didnt think i was upsetting people, not an intention.
 
PA this ones for you

- I've found it hard to keep dosing even through out the day bc I only eat 2 meals N post workout Aminos due to lean gains. I am thinking that a pre workout dose of 3 caps might be the best option to get it into my system early on daily... Its 230 pm east coast an am getting ready to hit the gym. I will not be breaking fast til 530ish with post workout Aminos. No, I'm not working out or 3 hours... Is it absolutely crucial to take w food? Would I be wasting 3 caps if I took on empty stomach pre fasted training ? How about with post workout Aminos? Thanks
 
chedapalooza said:
PA this ones for you

- I've found it hard to keep dosing even through out the day bc I only eat 2 meals N post workout Aminos due to lean gains. I am thinking that a pre workout dose of 3 caps might be the best option to get it into my system early on daily... Its 230 pm east coast an am getting ready to hit the gym. I will not be breaking fast til 530ish with post workout Aminos. No, I'm not working out or 3 hours... Is it absolutely crucial to take w food? Would I be wasting 3 caps if I took on empty stomach pre fasted training ? How about with post workout Aminos? Thanks
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Hey Bro, I can't say that you'll waste 3 caps but you will not be getting as much as you can out of them as if you took them with a meal that CONTAINS FAT! The fat is important, Ursolic acid is not water soluble to any great degree. It is extremely hydrophobic, It does dissolve in fat. The post work out aminos may work if you take a tablespoon of some kind of oil, I prefer olive oil for its health benefits, to help with absorption. Yes I know I'm not PA, But even Jesus didn't always show up in person, sometimes he had to send his disciples :)(this religious reference was made for comedic comparison purposes only. It in no way should be construed to represent the views of PA or E-Pharm at large, only the odd sense of humor of the Truth)
 
oufinny said:
I am going to add in a few bottles in my PCT, curious what it will do for me. Will post thoughts about it here once I am done.
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Good luck its worked wonders for me in that role.
 
Thoughts on urso + erase? Any negative interactions?

I ask bc there has been talk of ai properties from urso, so using together, one would fear possibly too much suppression/reduction of estrogen ..
 
Ideally I'd like to do 8 weeks of urso, anabeta n erase. But unless there's a bigger bottle/increase in amount per capsule.. Something to cut down on number if pills, urso is just expensive n impractical. Also, a week in, and not noticing anything.. If anything, have noticed INCREASE in appetite...

Also urso n AB r taken w meals, stupid/wasteful to use both at same time? I rarely run stand alones.. So it can get confusing planning things for me sometimes
 
penbalabim said:
Have any of you tried myostil?ıts research name was HT7116 as far as I know.I had a week supply from a neurochemist friend working at Tubitak ,I actually asked him to provide me the most potent muscle builder and he supplied this to me.After a week of continous usage I had my arms circumference enhanced my 1.8 cm and I had significant strength gains with an unexplainable increase on my endurance.I had a recurring wrist pain due to overtraining which steadily subsided and went off.Inventors name is Erdal Can Alkoclar (dont know if I spelled it correctly , weird turkish names)
as far as I have heard this guy holds the patent of 100+ neurotrophic and myotrophic formulations including a potent cure for autoimmune diseases and early-stage cancers.please let me know if you get to find a supply:)
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yeah, and thecsample my super dooper chemist gave me cured my cancer and wrist pain!
 
penbalabim said:
Have any of you tried myostil?ıts research name was HT7116 as far as I know.I had a week supply from a neurochemist friend working at Tubitak ,I actually asked him to provide me the most potent muscle builder and he supplied this to me.After a week of continous usage I had my arms circumference enhanced my 1.8 cm and I had significant strength gains with an unexplainable increase on my endurance.I had a recurring wrist pain due to overtraining which steadily subsided and went off.Inventors name is Erdal Can Alkoclar (dont know if I spelled it correctly , weird turkish names)
as far as I have heard this guy holds the patent of 100+ neurotrophic and myotrophic formulations including a potent cure for autoimmune diseases and early-stage cancers.please let me know if you get to find a supply:)
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Nice first post pal, wrong thread, move it elsewhere, thanks
 
truthornothin said:
Hey Bro, I can't say that you'll waste 3 caps but you will not be getting as much as you can out of them as if you took them with a meal that CONTAINS FAT! The fat is important, Ursolic acid is not water soluble to any great degree. It is extremely hydrophobic, It does dissolve in fat. The post work out aminos may work if you take a tablespoon of some kind of oil, I prefer olive oil for its health benefits, to help with absorption. Yes I know I'm not PA, But even Jesus didn't always show up in person, sometimes he had to send his disciples :)(this religious reference was made for comedic comparison purposes only. It in no way should be construed to represent the views of PA or E-Pharm at large, only the odd sense of humor of the Truth)
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Are you Patrick Arnold's disciple? lol.

JK brotha. This looks like a nice product. I'd definitely take it for it's health benefit properties alone.
 
Force of Green said:
Are you Patrick Arnold's disciple? lol.

JK brotha. This looks like a nice product. I'd definitely take it for it's health benefit properties alone.
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I'm more like an apostle, :jester: Did you not read the disclaimer? for comedic purposes only, :lol:Its working nicely for me. Prostate cancer runs in my family. My dad had to have his removed a couple of years back, the anti carcinogenic properties alone would be enough for me. I live in fear every year at physical time. So far so good, but it never hurts to hedge your bets. That being said, I'm gaining muscle in pct, that's never happened before.
 
If i wish,
would it be ok to take the uacid out of the pills and mix in with my meal with the fat, so im not swallowing lots of pills twice a day will this be ok for absorption or does it matter non as long as there going in?
 
miniarnold said:
If i wish,
would it be ok to take the uacid out of the pills and mix in with my meal with the fat, so im not swallowing lots of pills twice a day will this be ok for absorption or does it matter non as long as there going in?
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I think it would be ok its just not as convenient
 
miniarnold said:
If i wish,
would it be ok to take the uacid out of the pills and mix in with my meal with the fat, so im not swallowing lots of pills twice a day will this be ok for absorption or does it matter non as long as there going in?
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I saw someone on another board state they empty the caps in olive oil I believe,

Personally I just take it with 3 grams of fish oil and coffee (half and half), or with fish oil and a meal. It shouldnt make a difference in my opinion, gel caps dissolve quick and food is right there with it.
 
ax1 said:
I saw someone on another board state they empty the caps in olive oil I believe,

Personally I just take it with 3 grams of fish oil and coffee (half and half), or with fish oil and a meal. It shouldnt make a difference in my opinion, gel caps dissolve quick and food is right there with it.
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Yes, I think that is the best way to take it, I think coffee with half and half aids in two manners, one the fat in the half and half and two the higher temp of the coffee and substances are more soluble at higher temps.
 
miniarnold said:
true,
gonna empty pills from now on and mix with meals, wasnt sure if it had to stay in pills as it had to get so far in the stomach/gutt b4 it could be digested/utilised and emptying them may f**k it up
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no those caps dissolve close to instantly, so there shouldn't be much difference
 
miniarnold said:
true,
gonna empty pills from now on and mix with meals, wasnt sure if it had to stay in pills as it had to get so far in the stomach/gutt b4 it could be digested/utilised and emptying them may f**k it up
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Its overdoing it, I agree with truth above. Just take the pills with either fish oil and with a meal (or coffee).
 
ax1 said:
Its overdoing it, I agree with truth above. Just take the pills with either fish oil and with a meal (or coffee).
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agreed, but i wanted to check i wasnt screwing myself over and wasting the ursobolic by emptying the caps and consuming instead ov swallowing them as normal if its the same either way ill continue this way when possible
 
ax1 said:
I saw someone on another board state they empty the caps in olive oil I believe,

Personally I just take it with 3 grams of fish oil and coffee (half and half), or with fish oil and a meal. It shouldnt make a difference in my opinion, gel caps dissolve quick and food is right there with it.
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How do your burps taste? I'd have some 'mackerel' tasting, acidic fluid that I would keep regurgitating. lol. Why not just pop a small handful of lecithin caps? What a great fat emulsifier!
 
Force of Green said:
How do your burps taste? I'd have some 'mackerel' tasting, acidic fluid that I would keep regurgitating. lol. Why not just pop a small handful of lecithin caps? What a great fat emulsifier!
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Dont notice the taste much...

I had the coolest burp last night actually, I did one of those burped where I kept my mouth closed and I blew a large dust out of both my nostrils, it was some cool shyt wish there were people in the room to witness this!!
 
Force of Green said:
How do your burps taste? I'd have some 'mackerel' tasting, acidic fluid that I would keep regurgitating. lol. Why not just pop a small handful of lecithin caps? What a great fat emulsifier!
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I noticed the same, pills were repeating on me occasionally when taking with a meal with fats obv, since i have been emptying the pills and mixing in with the meals no repeating and burps so far.
 
Sooooo best smoke burp ever nomination:

At work tonight at a table (I waiter)... Threw down 3 caps with a protein shake on break.. 5 mins later.. Poof right in the middle of greeting a table. Yea.
 
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