H-DROL and gyno

newguy7

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Hi All,
I'm on my first ever pro-hormone cycle; week 2.
I'm doing 6 weeks at 50mg of H-DROL.
I'm looking for help on what to use to make sure I don't get gyno. I know everyone says get a SERM but I don't have access to nolva or clomid. So, finally my question is what can I use as an OTC offering that will do similar things as a SERM? Do any supplement companies offer valid alternatives to nolva?

Also, generally speaking do you know if H-DROL at my dosing will Aromatase?

As always, thanks in Advance for your help.
 
omg.

google clomid or nolva
 
nothing otc will replace a SERM. you can't get it because you don't know where to buy it from or because of other reasons? Some will suggest some test boosters and AIs. I just don't like to run a cycle without a SERM on hand just in case.
 
ya dude id get nolva asap just to be safe
 
Nolva, clomid, torem, if you already got gyno might have to use letro. But those are all research chemicals. Legally you're getting them for research purposes.
 
Dude, always have a SERM on hand before starting any cycle. Hdrol is pretty light, but can still cause complications. You need to get a SERM for PCT; do not risk using an OTC product for PCT. I would recommend using an AI like Aromsin or Adex to combat gyno. Letro is a good gyno killer, but it's very strong and will completely crush your estrogen levels. I would only use it on an injectable AAS cycle, personally. I'm not a huge fan of using a SERM on cycle for gyno; I like to use a good AI and save the SERM for PCT, but that's just me. Many do use a SERM on cycle. Either way, you need to get a SERM asap for at least your PCT! Go to your local meathead supplement store. Chances are a guy in there will be able to either fix you up with a SERM or tell your where to get it.

"Do it! Do it NOW!"
 
soontobbeast thanks for pointing that out... my bad I should have re-read my post before submitting it :)

To the rest I greatly appreciate your time and responses. As to the reason, for no SERM it's partly because I'm nervous about buying something for 'research' and also partly because I'm nervous about buying something overseas from the internet.

I was hoping there was an OTC product that at least did something similar or close enough to not worry. I mean lets say I did nothing for PCT would i definitely have adverse side effects or is it just possible?

If you guys say don't even think about it without a SERM, than can I just stop now? Or do I need to do something to taper off? I'm only in week 2.

One last question, what about this product called Triazole sold here in anabolic minds store, its suppose to be an estrogen blocker to stop Aromatase. Will that work?

sorry for so many questions but i didn't realize what i was getting myself into, I figured hey i can buy this h-drol stuff OTC therefore it can't be so bad.......
 
soontobbeast thanks for pointing that out... my bad I should have re-read my post before submitting it :)

To the rest I greatly appreciate your time and responses. As to the reason, for no SERM it's partly because I'm nervous about buying something for 'research' and also partly because I'm nervous about buying something overseas from the internet.

I was hoping there was an OTC product that at least did something similar or close enough to not worry. I mean lets say I did nothing for PCT would i definitely have adverse side effects or is it just possible?

If you guys say don't even think about it without a SERM, than can I just stop now? Or do I need to do something to taper off? I'm only in week 2.

One last question, what about this product called Triazole sold here in anabolic minds store, its suppose to be an estrogen blocker to stop Aromatase. Will that work?

sorry for so many questions but i didn't realize what i was getting myself into, I figured hey i can buy this h-drol stuff OTC therefore it can't be so bad.......

I understand being nervous about buying a research product online. My Aromasin is for "research only" and it works just fine. Like I said, try a local supp store that has some actual meatheads working there, not just some little guy taking creatine like you tend to find at GNC.

OTC SERM, nothing actual SERM quality. There is Reversitrol XT, PCT Revolution, PCT Assist, Advanced PCT...there's a lot of wanna be's. I'm not necessarily recommending any of these, but they're better than nothing if you absolutely can't get hold of a SERM. I'll be honest, my 1st cycle was hdrol and I knew very little about anything back then. I used Reversitrol and Cycle Support. Didn't know what to expect. Thought I kept a lot of the gains, but after learning and correcting my ignorance, I used an actual SERM and was amazed of the difference.

Good luck man!
 
Hi All,
I'm on my first ever pro-hormone cycle; week 2.
I'm doing 6 weeks at 50mg of H-DROL.
I'm looking for help on what to use to make sure I don't get gyno. I know everyone says get a SERM but I don't have access to nolva or clomid. So, finally my question is what can I use as an OTC offering that will do similar things as a SERM? Do any supplement companies offer valid alternatives to nolva?

Also, generally speaking do you know if H-DROL at my dosing will Aromatase?

As always, thanks in Advance for your help.

Have you looked into Erase?
 
I understand being nervous about buying a research product online. My Aromasin is for "research only" and it works just fine. Like I said, try a local supp store that has some actual meatheads working there, not just some little guy taking creatine like you tend to find at GNC.

OTC SERM, nothing actual SERM quality. There is Reversitrol XT, PCT Revolution, PCT Assist, Advanced PCT...there's a lot of wanna be's. I'm not necessarily recommending any of these, but they're better than nothing if you absolutely can't get hold of a SERM. I'll be honest, my 1st cycle was hdrol and I knew very little about anything back then. I used Reversitrol and Cycle Support. Didn't know what to expect. Thought I kept a lot of the gains, but after learning and correcting my ignorance, I used an actual SERM and was amazed of the difference.

Good luck man!

Thanks for the help man! and its reasurring to hear I'm not the only one whos leaped before looking :)
I'm not as concerned about keeping my gains, more concerned about side effects... did you notice any after your h-drol cycle when you didn't use the SERM?
 
Have you looked into Erase?
I have, but to be honest i can't tell the difference between this product and others like it... its hard for me to determine which is the best at this point. Do you have personal experience with Erase? Is it a good product in your opinion?
 
Thanks for the help man! and its reasurring to hear I'm not the only one whos leaped before looking :)
I'm not as concerned about keeping my gains, more concerned about side effects... did you notice any after your h-drol cycle when you didn't use the SERM?

Nah man, many of us have leaped before looking. It was a learning experience for me and it taught me to definitely do my research prior. I have since done a couple other PH cycles with good results and am currently in my 1st injectable AAS cycle. This'll be my 6th week in. Talk about research; there's a lot that goes into injecting AAS lol. Great results thus far though!

You need to be concerned about keeping your gains. You're going to shred up, gain some lean muscle and strength, and then 3 weeks into your "PCT," everything will start dropping. You're all proud of yourself and excited, then boom, in a matter of weeks you lose most if not all and you're right back where you started. Hdrol is a fairly light compound in regards to PH's, but you'll still have good gains from it if you run it right. Side effects, I never experienced any, but I've been lucky in that respect as I haven't experienced many sides with anything. I did start to get some gyno and acne while on my current cycle, but I have the proper support supps to combat the gyno and started using an acne wash for my skin along with a lufa. I scrub the skin right off my body, so needless to say, my acne has also deceased lol. After cycle sides, I pretty much already stated them; lost a lot of my strength, tone, and some of my libido. It wasn't fun. Could have been a lot worse had I not had an OTC PCT, but I still wouldn't ever choose that over an actual SERM.

If you're going to go OCT for your PCT, I would stack a couple different compounds together to give your body as much help and recovery as possible. Stack with a cheap DAA and maybe some tribulus along with something I mentioned in a previous choice, or something else along those lines of your choosing. The cycle isn't worth your time if you're going to lose everything in the end. All it does is kill your determination and then you get on a more powerful PH wayyy too soon to make up for it. It's a sinking ship, man.

If you're making the decision and taking the step to start a cycle, do it right, or don't waste your time and just continue to use creatine. Your goal should be to continue to make gains while staying healthy.

And Erase is a good, cheap, effective Estrogen blocker. You don't want to over suppress your estrogen, but you don't want it to rebound during your PCT either. Erase keeps your estrogen from rebounding and bloating you up. It's a solid product, IMO.
 
Nah man, many of us have leaped before looking. It was a learning experience for me and it taught me to definitely do my research prior. I have since done a couple other PH cycles with good results and am currently in my 1st injectable AAS cycle. This'll be my 6th week in. Talk about research; there's a lot that goes into injecting AAS lol. Great results thus far though!

You need to be concerned about keeping your gains. You're going to shred up, gain some lean muscle and strength, and then 3 weeks into your "PCT," everything will start dropping. You're all proud of yourself and excited, then boom, in a matter of weeks you lose most if not all and you're right back where you started. Hdrol is a fairly light compound in regards to PH's, but you'll still have good gains from it if you run it right. Side effects, I never experienced any, but I've been lucky in that respect as I haven't experienced many sides with anything. I did start to get some gyno and acne while on my current cycle, but I have the proper support supps to combat the gyno and started using an acne wash for my skin along with a lufa. I scrub the skin right off my body, so needless to say, my acne has also deceased lol. After cycle sides, I pretty much already stated them; lost a lot of my strength, tone, and some of my libido. It wasn't fun. Could have been a lot worse had I not had an OTC PCT, but I still wouldn't ever choose that over an actual SERM.

If you're going to go OCT for your PCT, I would stack a couple different compounds together to give your body as much help and recovery as possible. Stack with a cheap DAA and maybe some tribulus along with something I mentioned in a previous choice, or something else along those lines of your choosing. The cycle isn't worth your time if you're going to lose everything in the end. All it does is kill your determination and then you get on a more powerful PH wayyy too soon to make up for it. It's a sinking ship, man.

If you're making the decision and taking the step to start a cycle, do it right, or don't waste your time and just continue to use creatine. Your goal should be to continue to make gains while staying healthy.

And Erase is a good, cheap, effective Estrogen blocker. You don't want to over suppress your estrogen, but you don't want it to rebound during your PCT either. Erase keeps your estrogen from rebounding and bloating you up. It's a solid product, IMO.

Xtreme1087,
I can't thank you enough for taking the time to write this up and talk straight with me! I'm going to do some more research on this but for now most likely I will be going the route of OTC PCT. I'll dig into what I need to stack for the best results and post up any more questions I might have. Thank You Again!!!!
 
Xtreme1087,
I can't thank you enough for taking the time to write this up and talk straight with me! I'm going to do some more research on this but for now most likely I will be going the route of OTC PCT. I'll dig into what I need to stack for the best results and post up any more questions I might have. Thank You Again!!!!

Wish there were more like him! Just to chip in, I cannot emphasize enough how easy it was to find a SERM (in my case, torem). The company was even in my state!
 
you can run hdrol at 50mg for 6 weeks, and not have a serm.

it is fine, as long as you have the money to spend on a thorough pct.

example:

1-4: pct assist
last week of hdrol- week 3 of pct- supress c
1-4 inhibit e- 1 cap e/d
1-4 sns daa
4-8 reduce xt
I would also recomend something like animal pm before bed.

and them maybe something like r-spray after the 4th week of pct stacked with say bridge & daa.
 
jbryand101b said:
you can run hdrol at 50mg for 6 weeks, and not have a serm.

it is fine, as long as you have the money to spend on a thorough pct.

example:

1-4: pct assist
last week of hdrol- week 3 of pct- supress c
1-4 inhibit e- 1 cap e/d
1-4 sns daa
4-8 reduce xt
I would also recomend something like animal pm before bed.

and them maybe something like r-spray after the 4th week of pct stacked with say bridge & daa.

This was essentially my first cycle ever and even in retrospect i dont think i shouldve added a serm. I dont recall any negative sides on or post cycle
 
jbryand101b
Thank you for the thorough PCT that looks really good! Very similar to what I was planning on doing after the reading I've done so far.
I had already decided on the inhibit-e and sns daa I'll have to look into this reduce xt you mention.

MDiocre
I'm glad to hear that at least there are others who have gone the OTC route with success. Thanks for the input!
 
look up research chemicals, should take u 5 minutes to find a legit company

yep and watch out I got prolactin or estrogen gyno at week three that Torem couldn't get down until my letro came in. Letro saved the look of my chest. Hdrol doesn't aromize it just suppresses hard in some people and raises Estro. 3 weeks of jacked up puffy cone nipples total gyno, freaked me out so bad ill never touch H-Drol again. or anything else without letro magic on hand. I wish I had taken before pics to show. letro is powerfully effective at gyno reversal provided you catch it in the first month.
 
dcinal said:
yep and watch out I got prolactin or estrogen gyno at week three that Torem couldn't get down until my letro came in. Letro saved the look of my chest. Hdrol doesn't aromize it just suppresses hard in some people and raises Estro. 3 weeks of jacked up puffy cone nipples total gyno, freaked me out so bad ill never touch H-Drol again. or anything else without letro magic on hand. I wish I had taken before pics to show. letro is powerfully effective at gyno reversal provided you catch it in the first month.

H-drol gave me gyno.. and I used serm pct. I am trying to get prescription letro to clear it up now.
 
jev871 said:
H-drol gave me gyno.. and I used serm pct. I am trying to get prescription letro to clear it up now.

Same here. Letro cleared it well but I still have flare ups. Halo was the only thing that did it to me.

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I know it's against the rules to list sources of nolva and Torem, what about Letro? If its not against the rules, can someone send me a link for Letro, preferably Canada?

If it is, my apologies.

Not trying to hijack. This is a good read and hope your cycle works out for ya man. I'm running mine in 2 weeks but have nolva on hand, I'm just nervous and want to make sure Letro is accessible to me if the need arises.
 
Lhns2 said:
Same here. Letro cleared it well but I still have flare ups. Halo was the only thing that did it to me.

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Do you still cycle? I am kinda afraid to now. How bad are the flairups
 
jev871 said:
Do you still cycle? I am kinda afraid to now. How bad are the flairups

Just tried havoc and flared at 1.5 weeks. I dropped and pulsing superdrol low doses and am up 5 lbs in two weeks. Kinda crazy. Gyno is not flaring up this way.

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