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AndroMass - Gain 8-12lbs of lean mass – SAFELY – in 4-6 weeks.

fritzer said:
NO USE using a steroid if you are not at your natural potential yet. if you cant hold your natural potential they you will loose every single pound you gain when you are done like 90% of the people who abuse steroids.

Look at your diet and your training and hit your personal best. Put on some muscle. Go to at least 188 or something... until you stop making gains.

I am 6'5 started at 170... next year 185...next 200...next 210...next 220... couldnt get above 220 = ready
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this logic doesnt make any sense.

muscle gained after natural potential has been reached will be ALOT harder to maintain than gains made with steroids towards reaching the max natural potential.

in other words, for those not planning on staying ''on'', using steroids to get to your natural max is a better idea than using steroids after. how much harder do you think it will be to maintain LBM at 240lbs vs 200 without roids?

Of course its all a moot point. The entire theory of ''the max natural potential'' is grossly exaggerated. Obviously it will be harder to put on weight the heavier you get. But close to 0% of people actually use roids before the point of adding mainly fat during a lean bulk ( i.e. reaching close to a natural potential).
 
soontobbeast said:
this logic doesnt make any sense.

muscle gained after natural potential has been reached will be ALOT harder to maintain than gains made with steroids towards reaching the max natural potential.

in other words, for those not planning on staying ''on'', using steroids to get to your natural max is a better idea than using steroids after. how much harder do you think it will be to maintain LBM at 240lbs vs 200 without roids?

Of course its all a moot point. The entire theory of ''the max natural potential'' is grossly exaggerated. Obviously it will be harder to put on weight the heavier you get. But close to 0% of people actually use roids before the point of adding mainly fat during a lean bulk ( i.e. reaching close to a natural potential).
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Lol yeah, im confused with all the people saying "reach your natural potential first". It doesn't make a whole lot of since. Peoples natural potentials range differently with different people. You will probably have to be on almost continuesly to keep lots of muscle mass gained from aas anyways.
 
princeshock said:
Lol yeah, im confused with all the people saying "reach your natural potential first". It doesn't make a whole lot of since. Peoples natural potentials range differently with different people. You will probably have to be on almost continuesly to keep lots of muscle mass gained from aas anyways.
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AAS can catapult people to their natural limit fairly quickly, lol. But I do think a solid base must be established before using AAS. 2-4 years of hard, diligent work.
 
soontobbeast said:
this logic doesnt make any sense.

muscle gained after natural potential has been reached will be ALOT harder to maintain than gains made with steroids towards reaching the max natural potential.

in other words, for those not planning on staying ''on'', using steroids to get to your natural max is a better idea than using steroids after. how much harder do you think it will be to maintain LBM at 240lbs vs 200 without roids?

Of course its all a moot point. The entire theory of ''the max natural potential'' is grossly exaggerated. Obviously it will be harder to put on weight the heavier you get. But close to 0% of people actually use roids before the point of adding mainly fat during a lean bulk ( i.e. reaching close to a natural potential).
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I did a PP/epi cycle and I am 245, 8% and have kept it for four years since. thats 25lbs over my limit which i pushed for 2 years with everything i got. kept all my strength gains too.

agree to disagree :) but if a person can't reach their natural potential their-self they should go home and come back with some balls. Using AAS to reach what you can naturally is a joke to me. its a shortcut cause people are too lazy to do what needs to be done, to train and eat like you need to

And if you cant keep what you gain off of AAS like epi/phera/AM/AH why the hell do it. Why would you take toxic compounds in order to yo-yo around year to year?? that is ridiculous.

if you are not a pro and not "on" all the time then train smart and use some brains. if you dont know how to diet and train to keep your muscle from AAS then you need to go back to the drawing board.

Bottom line: if you have not reached your natural max and have the DIET and TRAINING in check to keep that max your ass is going to YoYoYo off your little AAS cycles for the rest of your life until you reset and do it right
 
BigBlackGuy said:
AAS can catapult people to their natural limit fairly quickly, lol. But I do think a solid base must be established before using AAS. 2-4 years of hard, diligent work.
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I'd go with 5 years as a minimum. For the first year or two that everyone trains, they really don't know what the hell they are doing. Between the training and the nutrition, it takes years to become competent and to know what works specifically for you.
 
ryansm said:
When are you starting?
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Not quite sure. WHEN I GET IT.:love:.LOL. No Um, was thinking july-ish. Have a few hings going on, and detainling my diet a bitmore everyday. i want this to be my best run EVER!!!

Quick Question. How would your "old" turinibol with this. I got a bottle thinking this may compliment this quite nice, makeing sure muscles get nice and hard!!! was think 6 weeks staring either week 1 or 3. 90 mg a day.
 
JoHNnyNuTZ said:
Not quite sure. WHEN I GET IT.:love:.LOL. No Um, was thinking july-ish. Have a few hings going on, and detainling my diet a bitmore everyday. i want this to be my best run EVER!!!

Quick Question. How would your "old" turinibol with this. I got a bottle thinking this may compliment this quite nice, makeing sure muscles get nice and hard!!! was think 6 weeks staring either week 1 or 3. 90 mg a day.
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Ir would stack nicely, that's the beauty there are many options.
 
Yeah. If this stuff works( not saying that in a bad way, read alot of positive feedback throiugh many threads), But if it does indeed work. I think The androseries may be tha "BASE" for any upcoming cycle I have planned out. Kind of like the way people used dermacrine(which I love and have some still). EPIC!!!
 
fritzer said:
I did a PP/epi cycle and I am 245, 8% and have kept it for four years since. thats 25lbs over my limit which i pushed for 2 years with everything i got. kept all my strength gains too.

agree to disagree :) but if a person can't reach their natural potential their-self they should go home and come back with some balls. Using AAS to reach what you can naturally is a joke to me. its a shortcut cause people are too lazy to do what needs to be done, to train and eat like you need to

And if you cant keep what you gain off of AAS like epi/phera/AM/AH why the hell do it. Why would you take toxic compounds in order to yo-yo around year to year?? that is ridiculous.

if you are not a pro and not "on" all the time then train smart and use some brains. if you dont know how to diet and train to keep your muscle from AAS then you need to go back to the drawing board.

Bottom line: if you have not reached your natural max and have the DIET and TRAINING in check to keep that max your ass is going to YoYoYo off your little AAS cycles for the rest of your life until you reset and do it right
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i thought you knew that for most people, AAS are MEANT TO BE a shortcut.

why does everyone keep trying to give the term 'shortcut' a bad connotation? NOT EVERYONE IS IN LOVE with '' THE JOURNEY OF BODYBUILDING''.

i hope you understand that. steroids are a means to an end. period. some people use them to get like ronnie, and some use them to look like brad pitt.


OBVIOUSLY nutrition needs to be mastered to maintain gains, i thought that went without saying? are you also going to tell everyone they should use resistance training over sprinting if they are going to maximize strength gains? duh?
 
Rodja said:
I'd go with 5 years as a minimum. For the first year or two that everyone trains, they really don't know what the hell they are doing. Between the training and the nutrition, it takes years to become competent and to know what works specifically for you.
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Yah, that's where the "hard, diligent" part comes in. The first year or two of training would hardly be considered, for most, "hard" or "diligent". :D
 
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soontobbeast said:
this logic doesnt make any sense.

muscle gained after natural potential has been reached will be ALOT harder to maintain than gains made with steroids towards reaching the max natural potential.

in other words, for those not planning on staying ''on'', using steroids to get to your natural max is a better idea than using steroids after. how much harder do you think it will be to maintain LBM at 240lbs vs 200 without roids?

Of course its all a moot point. The entire theory of ''the max natural potential'' is grossly exaggerated. Obviously it will be harder to put on weight the heavier you get. But close to 0% of people actually use roids before the point of adding mainly fat during a lean bulk ( i.e. reaching close to a natural potential).
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this is what I am interested in, "using them in order to reach natural potential". I mean 220 is the goal im reaching for if i were to take aas now i could hit that goal fairly quickly and maintain with proper training and nutrition. Even just one cycle would provide a huge leap compared to going all natural for 3-4 years. I probably wont have any need/want to get any bigger than that anyway.
 
Morto7 said:
this is what I am interested in, "using them in order to reach natural potential". I mean 220 is the goal im reaching for if i were to take aas now i could hit that goal fairly quickly and maintain with proper training and nutrition. Even just one cycle would provide a huge leap compared to going all natural for 3-4 years. I probably wont have any need/want to get any bigger than that anyway.
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21 6'1 168 lbs and 10% body fat

Those are your stats. I started at 6'5 170lbs 10% as well. So i will put it to you blunt.

You can scroll these boards like all the other people in your position until you find posts that are going to justify what you want to do. And like the others that is probably what you will do, so have fun on your cycle :)

If you have any brains you will realize that at 168lbs you have NO IDEA what it takes to maintain 220lbs of "muscle" N-O IDEA. Why should you hit your natural limit? Because it isnt just size, its diet, strictness, cardio and more work than you can imagine to eat right and maintain a body like that.

you will hit 200-220 off your cycle and you will loose almost all of it i guarantee. you will have shut your HPTA down fully at 21 years old for no reason. then the strength will fade cause your not on hormones anymore, especially while your test is low

at least hit 200 on your own. at 6'1 and your not even at 200 lbs?! you seriously need to eat better, train better and wait

its fine for soontobbeast and me to have differing opinions and why to cycle etc, especially since we both have long training backgrounds, but i dont think there is anyone in their right mind that would tell someone in your position right now to start a hormonal cycle and if anyone does they are idiots and not looking out for your best interests
 
fritzer said:
21 6'1 168 lbs and 10% body fat

Those are your stats. I started at 6'5 170lbs 10% as well. So i will put it to you blunt.

You can scroll these boards like all the other people in your position until you find posts that are going to justify what you want to do. And like the others that is probably what you will do, so have fun on your cycle :)

If you have any brains you will realize that at 168lbs you have NO IDEA what it takes to maintain 220lbs of "muscle" N-O IDEA. Why should you hit your natural limit? Because it isnt just size, its diet, strictness, cardio and more work than you can imagine to eat right and maintain a body like that.

you will hit 200-220 off your cycle and you will loose almost all of it i guarantee. you will have shut your HPTA down fully at 21 years old for no reason. then the strength will fade cause your not on hormones anymore, especially while your test is low

at least hit 200 on your own. at 6'1 and your not even at 200 lbs?! you seriously need to eat better, train better and wait

its fine for soontobbeast and me to have differing opinions and why to cycle etc, especially since we both have long training backgrounds, but i dont think there is anyone in their right mind that would tell someone in your position right now to start a hormonal cycle and if anyone does they are idiots and not looking out for your best interests
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I agree. Taking pills won't be a substitute for years of knowledge and experience attained by trial and error. You can see a lot of guys around here are actually smaller than a lot of natural guys - Even after several cycles . If you truly know how to maximize a cycle, you should be able to maximize your natural lifting. This doesn't sound like the case for you - being that you're kind of skinny for your height. No offense. I understand the allure a magic pill has, but, damage done to your body, whether it be minor hairloss, hpta shutdown, or arterial plaque accumulation, would have been for no reason if you don't have the basics down.

There really isn't a set time of how long you need to lift before you do roids. Cause there really isn't ever a need. But there is a time where it will be more likely to benefit you, as opposed to having mainly a negative effect - which is after you know what's going on.
 
fritzer said:
21 6'1 168 lbs and 10% body fat

Those are your stats. I started at 6'5 170lbs 10% as well. So i will put it to you blunt.

You can scroll these boards like all the other people in your position until you find posts that are going to justify what you want to do. And like the others that is probably what you will do, so have fun on your cycle :)

If you have any brains you will realize that at 168lbs you have NO IDEA what it takes to maintain 220lbs of "muscle" N-O IDEA. Why should you hit your natural limit? Because it isnt just size, its diet, strictness, cardio and more work than you can imagine to eat right and maintain a body like that.

you will hit 200-220 off your cycle and you will loose almost all of it i guarantee. you will have shut your HPTA down fully at 21 years old for no reason. then the strength will fade cause your not on hormones anymore, especially while your test is low

at least hit 200 on your own. at 6'1 and your not even at 200 lbs?! you seriously need to eat better, train better and wait

its fine for soontobbeast and me to have differing opinions and why to cycle etc, especially since we both have long training backgrounds, but i dont think there is anyone in their right mind that would tell someone in your position right now to start a hormonal cycle and if anyone does they are idiots and not looking out for your best interests
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Thats why he has to stay on. He has to make a decision weather he wants to stick a needle for a long time to come. If you are going to start at those stats then the person has to realize hes not going to be coming off really. Short breaks probobly, if even that.
 
princeshock said:
Thats why he has to stay on. He has to make a decision weather he wants to stick a needle for a long time to come. If you are going to start at those stats then the person has to realize hes not going to be coming off really. Short breaks probobly, if even that.
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^^^ That is a much larger and significant commitment than people realize. And methylated oral AAS isn't the rout to take like many seem to think.
 
ryansm said:
^^^ That is a much larger and significant commitment than people realize. And methylated oral AAS isn't the rout to take like many seem to think.
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so once im on andromass and androhard i have to keep taking cycles of them? cuz i was planning on doin just 2 maybe 3 cycles just get to where i want to be n maintain it(i know how to maintain btw)
 
dannyszero said:
so once im on andromass and androhard i have to keep taking cycles of them? cuz i was planning on doin just 2 maybe 3 cycles just get to where i want to be n maintain it(i know how to maintain btw)
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Not at all, just make it a solid run and keep your discipline.
 
Are there any other known solo AndroMass logs? That one listed above sucks to be honest. Bunch of chit chat and no details at all. He's barely mentioned anything...
 
T50 said:
Are there any other known solo AndroMass logs? That one listed above sucks to be honest. Bunch of chit chat and no details at all. He's barely mentioned anything...
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I'll be getting mine up once I get myself in a solid routine here in the next few weeks.
 
T50 said:
Are there any other known solo AndroMass logs? That one listed above sucks to be honest. Bunch of chit chat and no details at all. He's barely mentioned anything...
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Check our home board, also MM has one
 
HATEFULone said:
Once I get mine in I will be running an 8 week solo run.
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Very interested in seeing your results. Will be running this cycle at full dose as well. Want to do it solo, but waiting for logs to see if epi is necessary - HIGH HOPES for AM and if not all that AM/epi seems SOLID.

I think SARM pct (doing it now AMAZING) and it could be a home run.
 
Sklander said:
Very interested in seeing your results. Will be running this cycle at full dose as well. Want to do it solo, but waiting for logs to see if epi is necessary - HIGH HOPES for AM and if not all that AM/epi seems SOLID.

I think SARM pct (doing it now AMAZING) and it could be a home run.
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I'll have my log up in about 2 weeks, finishing up a 4 week cut/prime for this cycle. I would love to stack this with epi as I enjoyed my epi run a few years ago but I'm really looking to see if the andromass lives up to its claims. I'm running it for 8 weeks and will be harshly comparing it to 500mg/week of test p, which I also ran for 8 weeks.
 
HATEFULone said:
I'll have my log up in about 2 weeks, finishing up a 4 week cut/prime for this cycle. I would love to stack this with epi as I enjoyed my epi run a few years ago but I'm really looking to see if the andromass lives up to its claims. I'm running it for 8 weeks and will be harshly comparing it to 500mg/week of test p, which I also ran for 8 weeks.
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I think 8 weeks will be the best for andromass. Shouldn't be much if any worse than a 6 weeker in terms of shutdown.
 
HATEFULone said:
I'll have my log up in about 2 weeks, finishing up a 4 week cut/prime for this cycle. I would love to stack this with epi as I enjoyed my epi run a few years ago but I'm really looking to see if the andromass lives up to its claims. I'm running it for 8 weeks and will be harshly comparing it to 500mg/week of test p, which I also ran for 8 weeks.
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Nice to see log will be Mass specific.
 
Yeah I'm interested to see how the dosing two times a day 6 hours apart will do, almost similar to pulsing, just another way to go about things. I'm not getting bloodwork unless something is way off in how I feel, but I'll be able to tell results wise if it compares to test or not.
 
HATEFULone said:
Yeah I'm interested to see how the dosing two times a day 6 hours apart will do, almost similar to pulsing, just another way to go about things. I'm not getting bloodwork unless something is way off in how I feel, but I'll be able to tell results wise if it compares to test or not.
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Can't wait to see your results on this. I am in middle of PCT with osta (ferking awesome, btw) and plan to bridge into the S4, then go natty for awhile. Plenty of time for you to test this on yourself! I have two bottles as well, and wanted to do an 8wk cycle. Can't wait to see results!!!
 
ryansm said:
Are you getting bloods? I have seen suppression...
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I have read so much going this way, then going back the other way.

Here is what I've done the past months of my life as far as bolics go:

hdrol with derm at 5 pumps a day
50/75/75/100/125/150 - started 173, sitting at 184 and am 11 days PCT (torem, letro, forma) and 16 days into OSTA at 25mg/day - The OSTA is definitely noticeable, especially with endurance and volume. I am going to drop OSTA dose to 12.5mg/day tomorrow and run the bottle out... I will then bridge 25mg S4 with the last week of OSTA... run the S4 till its done...

then get bloods? When would be best time to get bloods?

I am running the hell out of these SARMs and I wanna know how torn up my insides are...
 
HATEFULone said:
Yeah I'm interested to see how the dosing two times a day 6 hours apart will do, almost similar to pulsing, just another way to go about things. I'm not getting bloodwork unless something is way off in how I feel, but I'll be able to tell results wise if it compares to test or not.
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this is what im waiting for..to see if it compares to test or not and to see what you gain and keep after pct.
 
no reason said:
this is what im waiting for..to see if it compares to test or not and to see what you gain and keep after pct.
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Exactly. I think too many people got caught up in the test claims. If you read into it mainly the claim is for anabolic equivalences and what not, not necessary test like results. However from the logs it seems that people who have only used ph's think its the best legal oral available so far, people that have used real gear it seems mixed. I'm going to be making my mind up for myself though.
 
HATEFULone said:
Exactly. I think too many people got caught up in the test claims. If you read into it mainly the claim is for anabolic equivalences and what not, not necessary test like results. However from the logs it seems that people who have only used ph's think its the best legal oral available so far, people that have used real gear it seems mixed. I'm going to be making my mind up for myself though.
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I think realistically there is and always will be a gap between phs and aas. I dont foresee too many aas users switching over or back to phs once they've become accustomed to pharm grade, but were not exactly catering to that crowd anyways. With that said it doesnt take away how amazing the Androseries is and they have their place definatly.

Using some phs in conjunction with pharm grade is a much more common scenario, that we will probably see more and more.
 
^^^ its common to use a ph like sd as a kicker for an injectable cycle... lets wait and see reviews after pct of a solo cycle like HATEFULone and see how it compares to test.lets see if using another ph as a kicker or to bridge with andromass will be needed or not for better gains.
 
no reason said:
^^^ its common to use a ph like sd as a kicker for an injectable cycle... lets wait and see reviews after pct of a solo cycle like HATEFULone and see how it compares to test.lets see if using another ph as a kicker or to bridge with andromass will be needed or not for better gains.
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SD is not a PH.
 
no reason said:
^^^ its common to use a ph like sd as a kicker for an injectable cycle... lets wait and see reviews after pct of a solo cycle like HATEFULone and see how it compares to test.lets see if using another ph as a kicker or to bridge with andromass will be needed or not for better gains.
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That sounds good to me.
 
I know everyone is getting the androseries for half off but I stocked up on some map and other goodies, creapure, even ordered the vitaberry for the first time.
 
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