switching from cortef (hisone) to isocort

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I used to take about 25mg of HC per day, but now have switched over to 5mg HC in AM taken with 5 isocort's. I then take 4 mid afternoon and then 4 late afternoon. If I am working out that night, I take a few extra.

Am I overdoing it?
 
I feel like $hit without some source of HC.. become spaced, falling asleep during the day, basically life sucks without it.

Hydrocortisone or isocort doesn't cause muscle weekness for me. I train regularily and my strength is usually climbing. I have my other hormones balanced out, so strength + performance in the gym is good.

I'm worried about becoming reliant on it, I've been taking HC for years now.. and I've never really been able to come off it. I've been able to live without it in the past, but basically kind of a crippled life, getting tired easily and even antisocial without it due to lack of energy. I used to get real shakey after a workout too, due to CNS fatigue.
 
I should post why I switched... I've been super busy, and not really paying attention to how much HC I had left.

Well one day I woke up and realized I was almost out... so now I'm waiting on more HC and just finished my last bottle of isocort, with more on the way.

I only had about 5mg of HC the past 3 days, and been feeling dizzy / nautious plus getting the sweats off and on since then, with absolutely no energy... not good. I wouldn't suggest anyone ever make the same mistake I did. Now I am totally out of isocort and HC for a few days, and have to resort to rubbing on copious amounts of HC cream to get by. Never felt this bad before, I think I've possibly caused secondary addisons by my HC usage =\ but it's definitely been needed
 
You don't have addisons you need to stop Isocort it is not Sheep glands anymore can't say it's anygood now. Get some 2% HC Cream keep doing this until you get your HC meds. Don't ever do this to your self again. Stoping HC meds to fast you can go into Adrenal Crisis if you start shaking bad and get sick to your stomch get to the ER tell then your in Adrenal Crisis they will give you a shot of Medrol.

The following link has a FAQ's I help do read this it has all the info you need to know about using HC meds and the following is a cut and paste.
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If you are desperate for cortisol and cannot get a doctor to support you, Hydrocortisone Cream can easily be purchased. The dosage is 1/2 ml of the 1% Hydrocortisone cream or 1/4ml of 2% cream. It is put into capsules and swollowed in the morning. Others prefer to use about 1 tablespoon topically and rotate the application site daily to protect the skin from its long-term effects.

I should post why I switched... I've been super busy, and not really paying attention to how much HC I had left.

Well one day I woke up and realized I was almost out... so now I'm waiting on more HC and just finished my last bottle of isocort, with more on the way.

I only had about 5mg of HC the past 3 days, and been feeling dizzy / nautious plus getting the sweats off and on since then, with absolutely no energy... not good. I wouldn't suggest anyone ever make the same mistake I did. Now I am totally out of isocort and HC for a few days, and have to resort to rubbing on copious amounts of HC cream to get by. Never felt this bad before, I think I've possibly caused secondary addisons by my HC usage =\ but it's definitely been needed
 
Thanks. I found some HC, not much, about 30mg laying around. Took 10 mg spaced out today and rubbed 1% HC ointment on my forearms... also cut out coffee for the moment except for in the morning. Feeling better at the moment.

I won't have HC for a few weeks, but I have a new bottle of isocort coming this week. I've read it's using a plant source of cortisol, in the same measurement as the previous batches - and that the only difference is that it's missing the adrenaline traces found in the adrenal extract. I'll take it and keep rubbing the HC ointment in different spots till the HC comes in.

Is 1/2 ml of the 1% Hydrocortisone cream good for the day? Or do I need to apply that at least twice?
 
Try the Isocort I heard they changed it but did not know they used yams to make Cortisol this should be better don't add HC cream to this it will be to much. Only use HC cream when you don't have HC meds or Isocort. IF you try the Isocort and it does not support your body you will feel shaky and get sick to your stomach if this happens the add half that amount HC cream.
Thanks. I found some HC, not much, about 30mg laying around. Took 10 mg spaced out today and rubbed 1% HC ointment on my forearms... also cut out coffee for the moment except for in the morning. Feeling better at the moment.

I won't have HC for a few weeks, but I have a new bottle of isocort coming this week. I've read it's using a plant source of cortisol, in the same measurement as the previous batches - and that the only difference is that it's missing the adrenaline traces found in the adrenal extract. I'll take it and keep rubbing the HC ointment in different spots till the HC comes in.

Is 1/2 ml of the 1% Hydrocortisone cream good for the day? Or do I need to apply that at least twice?
 
Ok thanks! Sounds good. I'll report back on how the new isocort works.

I'm tempted to throw in some florinef at a low dose with it to keep things smooth. I have some laying around.
 
No don't do that but try adding some Sea Salt to your water say 1/4 tsp to a glass of water first thing in the morning. If this makes you feel better but then you fall back try adding it up to 3x's / day. I am on florinef and you just can't jump on this you need to have low levels of Aldosterone and start on 1/4 of a .1 mgs pill and go up every 5 days until your doing .1 mgs. Here is a cut and paste about this been helping a women at my forum with this problem.
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Regulation and Actions of Aldosterone
Adrenal Fatigue and Craving for Salt

As mentioned in the “Anatomy” section, aldosterone is manufactured in the zona glomerulosa of the adrenal cortex. Like cortisol, aldosterone follows a diurnal pattern of secretion with its major peak at around 8:00 AM and major low between midnight and 4:00 AM. Also like cortisol, its production and secretion increases and decreases in response to stimulation of the adrenal cortex by ACTH. This means that aldosterone levels generally rise in stressful situations. However, aldosterone is not part of the negative feedback loop controlling its release. Instead, it depends on the negative feedback loop in which cortisol levels trigger ACTH activity. This means that cortisol determines the amount of ACTH which controls production of both cortisol and aldosterone with aldosterone having no say in the matter.


The only thing the cells that produce aldosterone can do to regulate production is to alter their sensitivity to ACTH. Therefore, after about 24 hours, the adrenal cells of the zona glomerulosa become less sensitive to the demands of ACTH and stop manufacturing more aldosterone. The amount of circulating aldosterone then begins to decrease, even though the ACTH levels are high and the need for increased amounts of aldosterone may continue. This decreased production continues until the cells of the zona glomerulosa recover their sensitivity to ACTH, but in the meantime the decreased aldosterone leads to many of the symptoms of adrenal fatigue.


Aldosterone is the most important mineralocorticoid, but corticosterone and desoxycorticosterone are also included in this category. The effects of aldosterone depletion can be observed in a large number of hypoadrenic persons. Aldosterone depletion may create one or more different symptoms which are specifically related to the diminished mineralocorticoid levels.


In the chronically stressed person, the levels of sodium and chlorides in the urine should be measured as well as the specific gravity in the urine. Chlorides in the urine are measured by Koenisburg’s test. This test also provides information of the sodium levels being excreted in the urine. Excessive sodium in the urine is one of the first clues that a person has a hypoadrenic problem.


Aldosterone is responsible for the maintenance of fluid (water) and the concentration of certain minerals (sodium, potassium, magnesium and chloride) in the blood, the interstitial fluid (area between the cells) and inside the cells. Working with other hormones such as anti-diuretic hormone from the pituitary and rennin and angiotensin I and II from the kidneys, aldosterone keeps the fluid balance and salt concentration intact, in roughly the same concentration as sea water. In the blood and interstitial fluid, sodium is the most dominant of the four minerals. Inside the cells, potassium has the highest concentration. These four minerals are called electrolytes because they carry minute electrical charges. These electrolytes are very important for proper cell function and fluid properties and they must remain in a relatively constant ratio to each other and to the body fluids. Small deviations in their ratios to each other, or to their concentration in the body fluids, means alterations in the properties of the fluid, the cell membrane and the biochemical reactions within the cell. In fact, most of the physiological reactions in the body depend in some way on the flow or concentration of electrolytes.


Aldosterone, in times of stress is the major director of these relationships by its influence on sodium and water concentrations. Although this interaction is somewhat complex, the overall process is easy to understand if you just keep an eye on the sodium in relation to aldosterone. As the concentration of aldosterone rises, the concentration of sodium rises in the blood and interstitial fluid. Wherever sodium goes, so follows water.


In adrenal fatigue, the craving for salt is a direct result of the lack of adequate aldosterone. As mentioned above, aldosterone controls sodium, potassium and fluid volumes in your body. When aldosterone secretions are normal, potassium, sodium and fluid levels are also normal. When aldosterone is high, sodium is kept high in the fluids circulating in your body.


However, as circulating aldosterone levels fall, sodium is removed from your bloodstream as it passes through the kidneys and is excreted in the urine. When sodium is excreted it takes water with it. Initially, there is some loss of volume of your body fluids but it does not become severe unless the condition worsens. Once your circulating sodium level drops to about 50% of its original concentration in body fluids, even a small loss of sodium or sodium restriction in your diet begins to have severe consequences. Tiny fluctuations in blood sodium concentration have a significant effect o blood volume when sodium is depleted to this level.


When the sodium supply of the blood is not replenished by eating salt-containing foods or liquids, sodium and water is pulled from your interstitial fluids into the blood to keep your blood sodium levels and water volume from getting too low. If too much salt or fluid is pulled from the interstitial fluids, the small amount of sodium in the cells begins to migrate out of the cells into the interstitial fluid.


The cell does not have a great reserve of sodium because it needs to maintain its 15:1 ratio of potassium to sodium. As the sodium is pulled from the cell, water follows the sodium out.


This leaves the cell dehydrated as well as sodium deficient. In addition, in order to keep the sodium/potassium ratio inside the cell constant, potassium then begins to migrate out in small quantities. However, each cell has minimum requirements for the absolute amounts of sodium, potassium and water necessary for its proper function. When these requirements are not met, cell function suffers, even if the proper ratio is maintained.


If you are suffering from moderately severe adrenal fatigue, you must be careful how you re-hydrate yourself. Drinking much water or liquid without adequate sodium replacement will make you feel worse because it will dilute the amount of sodium in your blood even further. Also, your cells need salt to absorb fluids because sufficient sodium must be inside the cell before water can be pulled back across the membrane into the cell.


When you are already low on body fluids and electrolytes, as you are in this situation, you should always add salt to your water. Do not drink soft drinks or electrolyte-rich sports drinks, like Gatorade, because they are high in potassium and low in sodium, the opposite of what someone with low cortisol levels who is dehydrated needs. Commercial electrolyte replacement drinks are designed for people who produce an excess of cortisol when exercising, not people who are low on cortisol and aldosterone. Instead, yo are much better off having a glass of water with ¼ - 1 teaspoon salt in it, or eating something salty with water to help replenish both sodium and fluid volume.


In a nation of people suffering from adrenal fatigue, the fast food restaurants come to the rescue. Such restaurants use an excessive amount of salt in their foods; a custom left-over from the old road houses where lots of salt was used in the food to stimulate appetites and whet the thirst (for alcohol, the biggest profit item). Although not a good solution, it supplies “emergency” rations daily to people living in marginal health. It averts the crisis and replenishes their supplies for another few hours.


When your aldosterone levels are low and you are dehydrated and sodium deficient, you may also crave potassium because your body is sending you the message that your cells are low on potassium as well as sodium and water. However, after consuming only a small amount of potassium containing foods or beverages (fruit, fruit juice, sodas and commercial electrolyte replacement drinks), you will probably feel worse because the potassium/sodium ration will be further disrupted.


What you really need in this situation is a combination of all three, water, salt and potassium in the right proportions. One of the easiest ways to accomplish this is to drink small repeated doses of water accompanied by a little food sprinkled with kelp powder. Kelp powder contains both potassium and sodium in an easily assimilated form. Depending upon taste and symptoms, extra salt can be added. Sea salt is a better choice than regular refined table salt, because it contains trace amounts of other minerals in addition to the sodium. Another choice is to drink a vegetable juice blend containing some celery and chard and diluted with purified water.


Usually, within 24-48 hours, your hydration and electrolyte balance will have stabilized enough that you can proceed to an adrenal-supporting diet. You must continue to be careful to drink salted water or vegetable juices 2-4 times during the day, varying the amount of salt according to your taste, and you should avoid potassium-containing foods in the morning when your cortisol and aldosterone levels are low. Never eat or drink electrolyte-depleting or diuretic foods and beverages such as alcohol and coffee, especially if you have been out in the sun or are otherwise dehydrated. One of the problems people with adrenal fatigue constantly deal with is a mild dehydration and sodium depletion.


When there is inadequate aldosterone, the kidney allows sodium, chlorides and water to spill into the urine, and maintains ionic balance by retaining, rather than excreting, potassium. Some of these low aldosterone persons present with symptoms of dehydration. The appearance of the tongue is one of the easily monitored indicators of dehydration. Normally, one should feel considerable slickness when running a finger down the protruded tongue of a person. It should slide easily across the tongue like a cube of ice across a wet piece of waxed paper. If the tongue is rough like sandpaper, or if you feel friction, with your finger catching or sticking to the tongue’s surface, it is an indication of inadequate tissue hydration. The person needs more water intake.


The person may report excessive urination, up to 15 or 20 times daily. Likewise, due to the effect of aldosterone on the sweat glands, the person may report excessive perspiration or perspiration with little or no physical activity. The common factor in all of these persons is a weakness of sartorius, gracilis, posterior tibialis, gastrocnemius, or soleus, and a background of some type of stress.


A person with lowered aldosterone may also demonstrate other symptoms. For a nervous system action potential to take place there must be an adequate supply of sodium on the outside of the cell membrane and an adequate supply of potassium inside the cell. They must be balanced. If this balance is undermined by a loss of sodium and retention of potassium, the nervous system will find it difficult to propagate normal action potentials and maintain itself at a good functional level. This may result in a wide variety of symptoms, including muscle twitches and even cardiac arrhythmias (heart palpitations).


With a chronic sodium-potassium imbalance, the person will show the sign of a paradoxical pupillary reflex. Normally, shining a light into a person’s eye will cause the pupil to constrict. This papillary constriction to light should be able to maintain itself for at least 30 seconds. In the hypoadrenic person (especially in the exhaustion stage of the GAS) you will find one of three things:


1. The pupil will fluctuate opened and closed in response to light.

2. The pupil will fluctuate opened and closed in response to light. (This is a deliberate opening and closing, not the minor flutter or twitch of the normally encountered hippus activity.)

3. The pupil will initially constrict to light, but it will dilate paradoxically with continued light stimulation of less than 30 seconds. This patient will frequently complain of eyes that are sensitive to light (such as when going from indoors to outside on a sunny day) or will be seen wearing sunglasses whenever outdoors or even indoors under bright light.


Another problem related to lowered mineralocorticoid levels in hypoadrenia is a paradoxical, non-pitting edema of the extremities. When the patient with hypoadrenia spills sodium and water into the urine and perspiration, and has a tendency to be dehydrated, we would hardly expect him to show signs of holding water, such as edema. But that is exactly what we do see in some hypoadrenic patients.


With the body spilling large amounts of extracellular sodium and likewise retaining intercellular potassium, we can see how an osmotic differential could develop in the patient’s tissues. If the osmotic difference (created by the increased potassium seeking its intercellular position and the lowered extracellular sodium levels) is severe enough, the body will most often attempt to correct this osmotic imbalance by allowing extracellular fluid to enter the cells. (It is also possible that the body could kick the potassium out of the cell and into the extracellular fluids, and although this occasionally occurs, we rarely see signs of this in the blood potassium levels.) The body is trying to dilute the potassium in the cell with water, to bring the system into osmotic equilibrium. The cells take on water, and the patient has swelling.


Often, these patients are placed on a diuretic by an unenlightened physician whose only basis for this prescription is the patient’s symptoms. The diuretic in these patients rarely helps the condition and often aggravates the tendency toward dehydration. Further, many diuretics act as adrenal (aldosterone) inhibitors, adding even more stress to the adrenals and tending to make the patient worse in the long run.


Even in adrenal fatigue, the body is still wonderful, beautiful and incredibly wise. It is our society, our maladaptation to the stresses of modern life, and our poor judgment that need to change. We may not be able to change society but we can learn to use better judgment when it comes to taking care of ourselves and to respond to stress in healthier ways.


Ok thanks! Sounds good. I'll report back on how the new isocort works.

I'm tempted to throw in some florinef at a low dose with it to keep things smooth. I have some laying around.
 
I am currently prescribed Cozaar for blood pressure, and I've read one of the ways it works is by lowering aldosterone in the body. I also know my adrenals are shot, my dhea is always below normal on labs. I haven't had aldosterone tested yet though. II used to be on .1mgs, worked myself up to it on my own in the past, and felt fine on it with no sides. 'll hold off on the florinef until I can get proper testing, and will try the sea salt test as well.

Thanks again for the help.
 
I took 10mg of HC this morning and applied the cream. Felt fine for only a few hours, then progressively dizzy and nautious, no appetite and now the sweats, and my resting heartrate is 108 (blood pressure 120/75). I went to see the dr at the medical center here at work... he suspects adrenal crisis... great. Can't seem to reach my primary Dr on the phone, but he wasn't prescribing me HC anyhow (my primary and my HRT clinic refused to prescribe it for me). Isocort should be here by tomorrow. Going to go home and rub on more HC cream and if that doesn't help, going to the hospital I guess...
 
Came home from work and noticed my isocort came in. I took 10mg of HC and then laid down since my heartrate was so high (108 resting). Woke up about an hour later feeling the same, took 4 isocorts, walked the dog, had some BCAAs, ate, and am feeling a bit better. At least not as dizzy/spaced or nautious. I don't feel like going to the hospital tonight so just staying in.

Just a thought here.... these symptoms also match polycythemia. My last bloodwork in the winter showed hematocrit at 0.1 over range, just slightly but nothing bad. Think this could be related? Either way, I think I'm giving blood soon.
 
Sorry your having this problem keep on top of it if your cream is 1% you will need more to over come a crisis. Learn from this never run out of HC meds. I hope the Isocort helps do you have a sorce for HC meds.
Came home from work and noticed my isocort came in. I took 10mg of HC and then laid down since my heartrate was so high (108 resting). Woke up about an hour later feeling the same, took 4 isocorts, walked the dog, had some BCAAs, ate, and am feeling a bit better. At least not as dizzy/spaced or nautious. I don't feel like going to the hospital tonight so just staying in.

Just a thought here.... these symptoms also match polycythemia. My last bloodwork in the winter showed hematocrit at 0.1 over range, just slightly but nothing bad. Think this could be related? Either way, I think I'm giving blood soon.
 
The new isocort seems to be doing the trick now. I have HC (hisone) on order, pretty large supply this time.

I have a feeling what happened yesterday was a thyroid dump... with the high heart rate, sweats, etc. I've lowered my thyroid dose for now just to make it easier on my cortisol as well. I'm also stopping my iodine / thyroid support supplement I've been taking (NOW's thyroid energy).

Going to see a phlebotomist soon too, or will just donate blood this weekend to lower my hematocrit asap.

To top things off, I had started a low carb / CKD diet this week...which I've now stopped. I've never had problems with them in the past, but now's not the right time.
 
Yes you need to go slow on changes I don't feel you had a Thyroid Dump this only happens when you first go on NTH meds with low Cortisol levels then add in NTH meds the Thyoid hormones will build up in ones blood and when they add in HC they get a dump after that is rare to have happen again even when running out of HC meds. But the NTH meds can stress your Adrenals when your low on HC meds so it's good Idea to lower your NTH dose.

I don't do NTH meds anymore after the FDA pulled Armour off the market and left everyone hanging. I now do Generic Synthroid 150 mcgs with 5 mcgs of T3 3x's / day this is working great for me.

So on this I don't feel any ups of downs that I felt on NTH meds and I was a mod at STTM for Men's Only Thyroid.
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Your sound like your up on all this been doing a lot of research about it have you read "Safe Uses of Cortisol" this link has some of the best parts from the book.
Dr.'s need to read this book and stop telling people taking HC meds is not good. It's a life saver for people like me that are Hypopituitary.
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The new isocort seems to be doing the trick now. I have HC (hisone) on order, pretty large supply this time.

I have a feeling what happened yesterday was a thyroid dump... with the high heart rate, sweats, etc. I've lowered my thyroid dose for now just to make it easier on my cortisol as well. I'm also stopping my iodine / thyroid support supplement I've been taking (NOW's thyroid energy).

Going to see a phlebotomist soon too, or will just donate blood this weekend to lower my hematocrit asap.

To top things off, I had started a low carb / CKD diet this week...which I've now stopped. I've never had problems with them in the past, but now's not the right time.
 
Yup, thanks I've read most of the articles on STTM. I'm actually taking a small dose of T3 several times per day. I stopped taking thyroid glandulars a while back. I think I should be ready to switch to T3+T4 now. I was trying to lower my RT3 and it should be good now, was using T3 only for over a year now which is more than enough. I was using 10mcg of T3 4x per day, usually with my HC dose.
 
Well RT3 and taking T3 only to get it down is a sore spot with me at my forum I have men and women sending me PM's because they went on T3 only for high RT3 that was not doing any thing to there Thyroud and ended up a mess. I see men doing this and ending up with very high levels of SHGB this binds up there Testosterone in there body so it's not working. Then when they find this out stopping the T3 only there SHBG in a lot of them does not come back down.

With RT3 if you are having a problem from it with your thyroid you need to fix why it's high be it supplements or sugery even stress in your life if you don't fix this RT3 will just go back up again.

I like what they say in this link other then going on T3 only meds you know we need some RT3 to wash out the extra T4 we have in the body.
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Yup, thanks I've read most of the articles on STTM. I'm actually taking a small dose of T3 several times per day. I stopped taking thyroid glandulars a while back. I think I should be ready to switch to T3+T4 now. I was trying to lower my RT3 and it should be good now, was using T3 only for over a year now which is more than enough. I was using 10mcg of T3 4x per day, usually with my HC dose.
 
I have been told that RT3 (at least for me) is due to living with bad adrenals for a very long time. Fortunately for me, my RT3 was not extremely high nor even out of range. I guess I wanted to optimize it and just bring it down.

Another fortunate thing, my SHBG has been sitting perfectly at 21! Even though I've only been using T3. Before TRT it was 10-11, which makes me think of insulin resistance, or it could just be that my body was trying to free up test that I needed. My progesterone is also high, out of range. I've read that this can happen when adrenals are low, and the body can use progesterone to deal with stress. Another interesting thing with me is that test shots hardly raise DHT in me...but the creams gave me insane acne on my arms and shoulders. I'm on shots again and doing ok.
 
Not sure if this is ok for the time being, but I've been eating about 20 isocorts per day the past couple days, and feeling somewhat better, with decent bursts of energy here n there, but still getting the pits. Taking them as I feel I need them... but only in the short term till my HC arrives. I guess this new isocort works well enough though, if only I could balance out my energy.
 
You should only need 8 per day 2 ='s 5 mgs of HC or Cortisol doing 20 your over doing it. When your off HC meds or Isocort your body will try to keep your Cortisol levels up by taking from DHEA or other hormonens in this process you can feel off. What your now doing is fooding your body with to much Cortisol with this Isocort making your body now try to rid it's self of all this extra Cortisol. The body needs balance so start to cut back on this so your body can balance it's self. Other wise your going to be a mess more is not better and less is just as bad.

If you feel off but it's not making you sick ride it out until your next dose you need to get down to 2 pills every 4 hrs. If you feel so bad you start to shake and feel like you need to lay down and even get sick to your stomach this is Adrenal Crisis and it's then you need to try the cream. Your going to be off a bit until you get back on HC meds.
Not sure if this is ok for the time being, but I've been eating about 20 isocorts per day the past couple days, and feeling somewhat better, with decent bursts of energy here n there, but still getting the pits. Taking them as I feel I need them... but only in the short term till my HC arrives. I guess this new isocort works well enough though, if only I could balance out my energy.
 
The problem is my DHEA is also very low. I've been taking it again recently though but I don't like to, it gives me acne.

Taking the extra isocorts has stopped me from feeling ill though. I've been feeling nautious/dizzy all week. I only took more as I felt the need for it... but I should probably cut back now. It's been a very stressful week on top of running out of isocort. Really crazy at work right now, so it's probably needed (the extra). This Dr I saw a couple days ago told me it's necessary to dose higher during periods of stress. If I'm going through a crazy fight (like I used to with an ex) I would dose an extra 20mg HC even and that would prevent shakes... without it I would get shakey. I also think I caught some sort of infection or bug from a friend, so likely why more cortisol is needed as well in the short term. I've had a cough for a couple weeks now and just today feeling a bit of sore throat.

Btw, I used to see you around here a lot but you had disappeared (along with JanSz), where'd you guys go to? =P
 
This Nov. it will be 3 yrs I had to have Heart Bypass Surgery I was in ICU 17 weeks and the wire they use to hold my chest together got infected. So they needed to open me up 7 x's and each time needed to keep me open until blood thinners were out of my body. So the put me in a coma this lasted 14 weeks. The dam Heart surgeon took me off TRT I feel this is why I had such a hard time with this Heart Bypass sugary and it was in my chart not to do this.

When I came to I did know my own name or were I was. It took a low of work to get back in my mind and body. Yet Dr.'s put me on Statin Drugs and they damaged my muscles to the point I can't stand up or walk with out a walker. And I am in a lot of pain needing pain meds 3x's per day. I hit bottom on them drugs last Sept. this is when Dr.'s listened to me and took me off them Statin Drugs.

Now I am fighting this to get my legs back it coming along but very slow if you know anyone on Statin Drugs show them this link.
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I am a mod at Yahoo for men with low T.
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And I am a mod for Men's only Thyroid at.
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We started this forum up when STTM closed the forums there.

So I am at some or most days at them forums for long hrs.

Jan still posts around but most of his time is at Dr. John's forum.
http://www.**************.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male&s=&daysprune=

If you did not see this FAQ's about Adrenals do read this in this is how to dose HC or Isocort meds and how to stress dose even come off HC meds to see if your Adrenals are healed.

The link to the FAQ's I help do at STTM is in this link.
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The problem is my DHEA is also very low. I've been taking it again recently though but I don't like to, it gives me acne.

Taking the extra isocorts has stopped me from feeling ill though. I've been feeling nautious/dizzy all week. I only took more as I felt the need for it... but I should probably cut back now. It's been a very stressful week on top of running out of isocort. Really crazy at work right now, so it's probably needed (the extra). This Dr I saw a couple days ago told me it's necessary to dose higher during periods of stress. If I'm going through a crazy fight (like I used to with an ex) I would dose an extra 20mg HC even and that would prevent shakes... without it I would get shakey. I also think I caught some sort of infection or bug from a friend, so likely why more cortisol is needed as well in the short term. I've had a cough for a couple weeks now and just today feeling a bit of sore throat.

Btw, I used to see you around here a lot but you had disappeared (along with JanSz), where'd you guys go to? =P
 
Ah yes I remember reading about your whole ordeal with the surgery. You are truly blessed to have survived... Have you thought of pressing malpractice charges against the Dr who took you off TRT when it was in your chart not to? It was seriously negligent and delinquent of the Dr to do that.

Thanks for all your help and advice, I truly appreciate it.
Yes I would not touch statins, I already have had cholesterol issues (low) in the past, but have risen them now to a decent level. I won't even touch sesamin for this reason, it acts like a statin and I don't need to lower my cholesterol. If anything, I need to raise my HDL.

Hang in there with your recovery! Are you taking any GH releasers to help recover? Along with physiotherapy?
 
No not going to bring malpractice charges against the Dr. all the good things he did to save my life out way what he did wrong. His intent was only to take me off them the day of the surgery.

The people in ICU got it wrong too so who is at fault here one blames the other and so on.

I went on GH meds for a time but the sides were to much I started losing the feelings in my hands and feet and started holding a lot of water.

So we stopped the GH for about 4 weeks then I went back on it at half the dose later on the same sides started up again to I can't do GH.
Ah yes I remember reading about your whole ordeal with the surgery. You are truly blessed to have survived... Have you thought of pressing malpractice charges against the Dr who took you off TRT when it was in your chart not to? It was seriously negligent and delinquent of the Dr to do that.

Thanks for all your help and advice, I truly appreciate it.
Yes I would not touch statins, I already have had cholesterol issues (low) in the past, but have risen them now to a decent level. I won't even touch sesamin for this reason, it acts like a statin and I don't need to lower my cholesterol. If anything, I need to raise my HDL.

Hang in there with your recovery! Are you taking any GH releasers to help recover? Along with physiotherapy?
 
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