I feel like im not getting anywhere, can someone help me out.

Seabee1507

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first of all let me start off by saying im in the military and heading overseas in 8 months so i want to get a stack together that i can use while im gone.
current stats:
225 lbs
6'
~18% BF
Bench 325 lbs
Deadlift ~400 lbs
Squat 375 lbs
Hammer curls with 65-70 lbs
blah blah...........

my point is, i am in the gym night after night training hard and im getting stronger and stronger. im not really getting bigger and harder :banana:haha. but seriously what can i do?

Current supps:
DAA
Creatine Nitrate
Erase
Titanium

now, my question is WTF do i need to be stacking to get where i want? i want to keep gaining strength and size but cut the BF%. what do i take? how often? at what does? can someone please give me a detailed breakdown of what i need to do? ive even gone as far as looking into stuff like Dbol winny and injectable crap. :frustrate


Thanks,
Seabee
 
Seabee1507 said:
first of all let me start off by saying im in the military and heading overseas in 8 months so i want to get a stack together that i can use while im gone.
current stats:
225 lbs
6'
~18% BF
Bench 325 lbs
Deadlift ~400 lbs
Squat 375 lbs
Hammer curls with 65-70 lbs
blah blah...........

my point is, i am in the gym night after night training hard and im getting stronger and stronger. im not really getting bigger and harder :banana:haha. but seriously what can i do?

Current supps:
DAA
Creatine Nitrate
Erase
Titanium

now, my question is WTF do i need to be stacking to get where i want? i want to keep gaining strength and size but cut the BF%. what do i take? how often? at what does? can someone please give me a detailed breakdown of what i need to do? ive even gone as far as looking into stuff like Dbol winny and injectable crap. :frustrate


Thanks,
Seabee
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If your diet isnt on par all the supps in the world wont help you. I was in the military as well and I know the Chow Hall food isnt always what you need for bodybuilding but its all you have. Try getting to the commissary and getting canned tuna, canned chicken, beef jerky, things like that to substute the chow halls short comings.
 
i very rarely eat in the chow hall. i gave that up a long time ago. i eat at my own place or i go to the subway on base. my diet is actually pretty good. any sups advice>
 
ive been lifting for years man, maybe 6 years or so. i see you ran the same stack i was looking into. lean and hard. thoughts??
 
Seabee1507 said:
ive been lifting for years man, maybe 6 years or so. i see you ran the same stack i was looking into. lean and hard. thoughts??
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I would definitley recommend that stack. Thats why I asked how long youve been lifting, wasnt gonna say anything if you were new to it. Im sure as you know theres a ton of newbies that just wanna jump on the supps without doing anything else. But I loved that run. Dont know if youve ran any other PH cycles but that run doesnt feel like your on anything, but gave me results!
 
Seabee1507 said:
first of all let me start off by saying im in the military and heading overseas in 8 months so i want to get a stack together that i can use while im gone.
current stats:
225 lbs
6'
~18% BF
Bench 325 lbs
Deadlift ~400 lbs
Squat 375 lbs
Hammer curls with 65-70 lbs
blah blah...........

my point is, i am in the gym night after night training hard and im getting stronger and stronger. im not really getting bigger and harder :banana:haha. but seriously what can i do?

Current supps:
DAA
Creatine Nitrate
Erase
Titanium

now, my question is WTF do i need to be stacking to get where i want? i want to keep gaining strength and size but cut the BF%. what do i take? how often? at what does? can someone please give me a detailed breakdown of what i need to do? ive even gone as far as looking into stuff like Dbol winny and injectable crap. :frustrate


Thanks,
Seabee
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I rec need2slin and Rezolution for fatloss.
 
japohl1 said:
I would definitley recommend that stack. Thats why I asked how long youve been lifting, wasnt gonna say anything if you were new to it. Im sure as you know theres a ton of newbies that just wanna jump on the supps without doing anything else. But I loved that run. Dont know if youve ran any other PH cycles but that run doesnt feel like your on anything, but gave me results!
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what do you mean it dosent feel like your on anything?? i ran PH cycle a while back and had some shi$$ty results. it was a PH by powerlabs nutrition. cant remember the name but i could find out. either way i was pissing grey and my kidneys felt like a pound of hammered ass.
have you started the Mass yet? if so hows that goin?
 
Seabee1507 said:
what do you mean it dosent feel like your on anything?? i ran PH cycle a while back and had some shi$$ty results. it was a PH by powerlabs nutrition. cant remember the name but i could find out. either way i was pissing grey and my kidneys felt like a pound of hammered ass.
have you started the Mass yet? if so hows that goin?
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What I mean is you dont feel like your running a PH. No lethargy, loss of libido, anger issues, or acne. No havent ran the Mass yet but have 2 bottles waiting :) gonna run those in a few months! Cant wait
 
i havent looked into the details to much for the product. but from what i have seen all there stuff is good. at what doesage and at what times did you run the cycle? did you take anything else? and did you use anything after the cycle?
 
Seabee1507 said:
i havent looked into the details to much for the product. but from what i have seen all there stuff is good. at what doesage and at what times did you run the cycle? did you take anything else? and did you use anything after the cycle?
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I ran it for 8 weeks 6 pills each a day. 2 in the am 2 afternoon and 2 at night. I only ran the normal multi, protein, fish oil. Im still on PCT for about 2 weeks now but nothing to mention as of yet.
 
okay, i kno im full of questions here but that is what this is for i guess. any significant amounts of hair loss? i think i seen that somewhere that hard can cause hair loss. and what is your PCT consisting of?
 
Seabee1507 said:
okay, i kno im full of questions here but that is what this is for i guess. any significant amounts of hair loss? i think i seen that somewhere that hard can cause hair loss. and what is your PCT consisting of?
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No its cool man, no worries. I personally didnt get any hair loss, but if youre prone to it im pretty sure their Toco 8 will help prevent it. My PCT consists of a SERM, the Test Recovery System, and TCF. If you dont run it for the full 8 weeks they say you dont "need" the SERM. Like I said I ran it for the full 8 plus I like to be on the safe side.
 
im not prone to it, just thought id say something. where can i get SERM and TCF and the test recovery system? while on this PCT have you noticed any gains?
 
japohl1 said:
No its cool man, no worries. I personally didnt get any hair loss, but if youre prone to it im pretty sure their Toco 8 will help prevent it. My PCT consists of a SERM, the Test Recovery System, and TCF. If you dont run it for the full 8 weeks they say you dont "need" the SERM. Like I said I ran it for the full 8 plus I like to be on the safe side.
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OP assuming you are over 21 then i can give you a couple different options. First you need nolvadex or clomid AS A MINIMUM for PCT for the cycles i recommend, i hope you know what those are.
CYCLE 1 its gonna be a 12 week cycle with test cypionate or enathate ran for 12 weeks at 500-650 mgs.(shots twice a week) Then i would run epistane(you said you wanted to get harder) for the first 4-6 weeks. If you want more size and strength do that, if you want more lean add arimidex eod to prevent bloat and or side effects from estrogen.
CYCLE 2 If you dont want injectables(btw EVERY cycle should be ran with test as a base) then i would recommend something methylated(superdrol, epistane, h-drol, promag,) with another oral thats unmethylated. If you wanna cut up add furuza-a or pstanz, and if you want more mass add m-lmg. without a test base you will probably lose sex drive 2-3 weeks(especially with any thing 19nortestosterone aka tren) but o well i guess. If you want anymore info pm me, best of luck thanks for your service to this country.
 
japohl1 said:
No its cool man, no worries. I personally didnt get any hair loss, but if youre prone to it im pretty sure their Toco 8 will help prevent it. My PCT consists of a SERM, the Test Recovery System, and TCF. If you dont run it for the full 8 weeks they say you dont "need" the SERM. Like I said I ran it for the full 8 plus I like to be on the safe side.
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I respect your opinion but ALWAYS HAVE A SERM EVEN IF YOU DONT USE IT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT JUST IN CASE.
 
Seabee1507 said:
im not prone to it, just thought id say something. where can i get SERM and TCF and the test recovery system? while on this PCT have you noticed any gains?
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I cant tell you where to get a SERM, youll have to do some research for that. The others you can get on either the PP website or most of the online supplement stores.
 
Ditch all of the hormonals you are taking. They wont do much for you at 22. Waste of money


This board always seems to focus on hormonals and fat burners for a quick fix for some reason when they arent what your core stack should be. I never use hormonals. They arent needed


You shouldnt even bother getting any other supps until you have a decent Omega 3 fishoil. Get your diet and training under control
 
Powercage said:
Ditch all of the hormonals you are taking. They wont do much for you at 22. Waste of money


This board always seems to focus on hormonals and fat burners for a quick fix for some reason when they arent what your core stack should be. I never use hormonals. They arent needed


You shouldnt even bother getting any other supps until you have a decent Omega 3 fishoil. Get your diet and training under control
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im young and see benefits from GH boosters stacked with Test boosters. now i dont see anything when i take a test booster. maybe some strength, but thats it. i see alot when i take GH boosters. especially stacked with a Test Booster
 
R1balla said:
im young and see benefits from GH boosters stacked with Test boosters. now i dont see anything when i take a test booster. maybe some strength, but thats it. i see alot when i take GH boosters. especially stacked with a Test Booster
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Generally those are more pronounced in the libido area

Have you been diagnosed with low test? That might explain obvious benefits
 
no i have not. i have only had a hormone panel once when i had it all checked after a cycle and after PCT when i was 18 and stupid LOL

even when im not on test boosters (and i only take about two stacks a year), i have high libido, still have acne breakouts (although i know its not from high test but can be a result of), making gains in the gym, i have energy throughout the day...etc

now im not saying i see GREAT results from them, but i see results when stacked. when taken solo, i barely even see libido.
 
R1balla said:
no i have not. i have only had a hormone panel once when i had it all checked after a cycle and after PCT when i was 18 and stupid LOL

even when im not on test boosters (and i only take about two stacks a year), i have high libido, still have acne breakouts (although i know its not from high test but can be a result of), making gains in the gym, i have energy throughout the day...etc

now im not saying i see GREAT results from them, but i see results when stacked. when taken solo, i barely even see libido.
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Yea you dont sound like you have any low test symptoms. Which is great, you can make some insane gains in your early to mid 20s if you just push the good food while training. Take advantage!
 
Havnt been to Subway in a while. Are you sure those sandwitches contain a bodybuilders dosage for protein?
 
kingdong said:
Havnt been to Subway in a while. Are you sure those sandwitches contain a bodybuilders dosage for protein?
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Id be more worried about the quality of meats
 
6ft 225 and your lifts are very impressive. I can think of no reason you would not be very happy unless your goal is to become a pro bodybuilder
 
Seabee1507 said:
first of all let me start off by saying im in the military and heading overseas in 8 months so i want to get a stack together that i can use while im gone.
current stats:
225 lbs
6'
~18% BF
Bench 325 lbs
Deadlift ~400 lbs
Squat 375 lbs
Hammer curls with 65-70 lbs
blah blah...........

my point is, i am in the gym night after night training hard and im getting stronger and stronger. im not really getting bigger and harder :banana:haha. but seriously what can i do?

Current supps:
DAA
Creatine Nitrate
Erase
Titanium

now, my question is WTF do i need to be stacking to get where i want? i want to keep gaining strength and size but cut the BF%. what do i take? how often? at what does? can someone please give me a detailed breakdown of what i need to do? ive even gone as far as looking into stuff like Dbol winny and injectable crap. :frustrate


Thanks,
Seabee
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There can be only minimal results even if you take steroid

First state your body type: ectomorph or mesomorph
- what your doing is building stamina and endurance. Knowing your body type is important to understand should you go slow or fast exercise and or to take cardio or not.
Second state your diet
diet is more important than steroid. Trust me so get to basic with what to eat and when to eat
third change your supplement to basic
whey protein
creatine monohydrate
caffeine
Fourth decide one goal at a time. bigger or cut?
Ive once tried to join both but only minimal results.

Last you dont have to lift heavy what you need is to trigger your muscle to pump by lots of rep
 
Seabee1507 said:
cardio is 2 times a week in AM. usually about 2 mile run
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2 miles twice a week isn't going to cut it if you are looking to lean out. 20-30 min worth of cardio 3-4 times a week would be better.

right now im at 15-20 min of cardio per day, usually burning 300-400 cals. plus weight lifting beforehand, and its a slow process. just gotta stick with it and make sure your diet is on par too.
 
bodyfort said:
There can be only minimal results even if you take steroid

First state your body type: ectomorph or mesomorph
- what your doing is building stamina and endurance. Knowing your body type is important to understand should you go slow or fast exercise and or to take cardio or not.
Second state your diet
diet is more important than steroid. Trust me so get to basic with what to eat and when to eat
third change your supplement to basic
whey protein
creatine monohydrate
caffeine
Fourth decide one goal at a time. bigger or cut?
Ive once tried to join both but only minimal results.

Last you dont have to lift heavy what you need is to trigger your muscle to pump by lots of rep
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eh, i beg to differ. my cousin was 14, almost 15 when he first used Mdrol. He wouldnt listen to me and listen to his much older brother who is a juice head. He took 3 cycles, 4 months spaced out, so 3 cycles in one year of Mdrol. He took Cycle Assist (at least he listened to me for that) and i got him some nolva cause his rat was having issues...he gained, from each cycle, about 10 pounds almost.

now he is 16, hasnt touched a cycle in a year, and is 6'1" 230 lbs. he eats better than I do. He is so dedicated. He is making consistent gains now, even being off of mdrol. now whether or not he will have serious sides later in life, only time will tell.
 
laserbluess said:
2 miles twice a week isn't going to cut it if you are looking to lean out. 20-30 min worth of cardio 3-4 times a week would be better.
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this is what i was gunna say. if u really want to lose BF ur gunna have to do moore cardio. u've got solid strength, just focus on ur diet. maybe watch ur carb intake. its easy to take in too much carbs being a bigger guy, i didn't start seeing the kind of results i wanted until i started counting carbs.
 
R1balla said:
eh, i beg to differ. my cousin was 14, almost 15 when he first used Mdrol. He wouldnt listen to me and listen to his much older brother who is a juice head. He took 3 cycles, 4 months spaced out, so 3 cycles in one year of Mdrol. He took Cycle Assist (at least he listened to me for that) and i got him some nolva cause his rat was having issues...he gained, from each cycle, about 10 pounds almost.

now he is 16, hasnt touched a cycle in a year, and is 6'1" 230 lbs. he eats better than I do. He is so dedicated. He is making consistent gains now, even being off of mdrol. now whether or not he will have serious sides later in life, only time will tell.
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its only natural for his age and what a surprise how kids can buy prohormone
 
808rebel said:
this is what i was gunna say. if u really want to lose BF ur gunna have to do moore cardio. u've got solid strength, just focus on ur diet. maybe watch ur carb intake. its easy to take in too much carbs being a bigger guy, i didn't start seeing the kind of results i wanted until i started counting carbs.
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agreed I got big by not counting calories, when i started counting calories and getting specific is when I saw some much better changes (without use of hormonals)

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bodyfort said:
its only natural for his age and what a surprise how kids can buy prohormone
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yeah its nuts. People need to have their basics down , be real strong, and have everything down really excellent, and be older than 21-23-up to 25 before they start and of course have been consistent on training hard n heavy, nutrition, sleep and non hormonal supplements in my opinion before even considering prohormones. This isnt a bash on the Op but Ive seen guys go on and get off and they look like a different person. I look close to the same body as I did before and havent trained in a month due to an injury. Having said that, I am so ready to train again.
 
You are focusing on the wrong stuff. I agree with powercage. Its diet and training. Then basics. Thats it. You wont find to many natty probb taking 1/5 of the stacks recommended on this board. Basics work, diet works, training works. Stick with what works. Screw the hype.
 
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