Stacking orals.

[EddyRay]

Disclaimer: This is for information purposes Only. My first cycle is a long way off. I'm currently studying a course in fitness and nutrition after which I'll move on to studying Strength and Conditioning, I want to coach pro Bodybuilders some day and need to arm myself with a lot of knowledge.

Two orals at once?
Bear with me, guys.

We all know that to do this is simply asking for liver damage, especially with two 17aa orals.

But some people run high doses of orals anyway...?

What's the difference between say, a cycle like this:

10wk cycle.
500mg Test E/W
200mg Deca E/W

week 1-4
30mg Dbol/ED
week 1-4
30mg Anavar/ED
week 5-10
60mg Anavar/ED
And one like this:

10wk cycle.
500mg Test E/W
200mg Deca E/W

week 1-10
60mg Anavar/ED

Isn't the liver toxicity going to be the same?

(Sidenote: Would cycle 1 be effective, or is the Anavar and its hardening properties wasted on a cycle that causes inevitable bloat?)

I'd appreciate some veterans chiming in on this.

 

[jbryand101b]

well, for the first thing, it is just a waist to run orals over 6-8 weeks.

second, the hepatotoxicity of test/deca for 10 weeks vs even just 60mg of anavar for 10 weeks is going to be extremely different.

just 10mg of anavar raises liver values in subjects, 60mg for 2 1/2 months? you are going to most likely not be feeling too good after the 6th week.

esterfied injectable steroids take time to build up to supraphysiological dosages in the blood, where methylated oral steroids being working immediately from the first dosage.

injectable users aren't really building muscle at supraphysiological dosages for any longer than oral users.

30mg of dbol for 4 weeks + 60mg of var for 6 weeks would be a nice cycle.

I'd like to run 30mg of dbol and 20mg of sd for 4 weeks.

you know, now that I think about it, I can kind of see why injectable users are able to put on a bit more size than oral users.

There come a possibility of side effects that can greatly effect ones ability to train, and eat properly, not to mention added stress on the body.

hmm... something to consider.

 

[EddyRay]

injectable users aren't really building muscle at supraphysiological dosages for any longer than oral users.

30mg of dbol for 4 weeks + 60mg of var for 6 weeks would be a nice cycle.

Thank you for the great input, man. What about using the Dbol as a kicker and the Var for 6 weeks after alongside the injectables? Or is that what you meant?

 

[gymrat827]

TEst E 1-10
D Bol 1-4
Var 4-8

You should make very good gains.

 

[gymrat827]

you can add the deca too. some get a good amount of bloat from it but its great on your joints. What are your goals?? LBM or stright mass??

 

[jbryand101b]

if you were going to be running say test/deca for 10 weeks, you could kickstart with dbol (weeks 1-4), and finish up the var for weeks 8-12 (finish test/deca week 10)

 

[gymrat827]

well both the Test/Deca will still be working til 2wks after the last time he pins so your plan would work out well for him. It would also allow him to cut up a bit toward the end of the cycle. So any unwanted BF gained should be pretty easy to lose

 

[EddyRay]

you can add the deca too. some get a good amount of bloat from it but its great on your joints. What are your goals?? LBM or stright mass??

LBM with minimal bloat. The idea being not to shoot up 30lbs and then lose half. I guess that's what we all want though, huh?

The main point is that it would arouse too much suspicion from my family and my wife's as well.

Can you imagine, not having seen them for two weeks and some mammoth comes in through their front door, only to return a week later and be several pounds lighter?

Would be difficult to attribute that to creatine and good ol' chicken...

Whereas I can play 5lbs. of water bloat off as the consequences of "a short term bulking cycle". You guys know what I mean.

 

[EddyRay]

if you were going to be running say test/deca for 10 weeks, you could kickstart with dbol (weeks 1-4), and finish up the var for weeks 8-12 (finish test/deca week 10)

well both the Test/Deca will still be working til 2wks after the last time he pins so your plan would work out well for him. It would also allow him to cut up a bit toward the end of the cycle. So any unwanted BF gained should be pretty easy to lose

Excellent, fellas. Good advice!