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My Future Havoc/Epistane Cycle

jblift

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Hey Guys! I did some research and put together an Epistane cycle that I will be starting in a couple months. Like to hear what you have to say about it!

So, On-Cycle/Supports:
Havoc 20/20/30/30/30
*note: starting the first day off with 10 mg
CEL Cycle Assist:
- Going to run it two weeks out with one serving a day.
- During cycle running the suggested 8 pills.
Fish Oil

Post-Cycle
*Note: only want to use OTC products.
Reversitol 3/2/1/1
Activate 4/4/4/4

Thanks bros!
 
If you want a 5 week cycle, try something like this. Bumping your dose up will yield MUCH greater results.

30/30/40/40/40

For pct i really think you need to use clomid not only because it works infinity better but because its cheap.
 
i dont think anyone is going to say "OTC pct is ok"
but theres a protcol that IBE made that requires no pct. forgot where i read it. it was like 2 week on, 1 off, 2 weeks on, done. but lower dose or something

just buy some clomid. its cheaper or the same price as any OTC
 
either way if ur going to run it, id prolly just go ahead and do 30/30/30/30 its a week less and will probably reduce shutdown due to being 4 wks instead of 5
 
What is one extra week on it going to do when its not even a six or eight week cycle? I thought running two weeks at 20 mg was a good idea since it takes a while to get into the system fully.
 
Ive ran 2x, first time was 20,20,20,30 w/propodrol and got around 6lbs on cut, last time I ran chapparrall labs at 30,30,30,30 and got 11lb on it, and used OTC pct both times, Id recommend 30,30,30,30 no sides, no shutdown, nips got a lil puffy toward the end, but nothing major this is just my personal expierence
 
I was gonna do first day 10 mg second day 10 mg. The rest of that week 20 mg. Then run 30mg the rest of the weeks and its slightly over 4 weeks (33 days).
 
30 all the way man, its already mild as hell, you might get at least 10lbs at 30mg, I did and wasn't even trying to bulk
 
A serm is more toxic and gonna give more sides then Epi, personally I'd never use a serm for Epi, H-drol,Bold, P-mag, Prop, Furza,11-oxo, or any of the mild Ph's out there
 
NCMarcus82 said:
A serm is more toxic and gonna give more sides then Epi, personally I'd never use a serm for Epi, H-drol,Bold, P-mag, Prop, Furza,11-oxo, or any of the mild Ph's out there
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Not everyone will respond the same way as you to epi. I just read a post today about a guy with milky tits from epi solo. Some are prone to sides, some are not.
 
crazy **** right there, never ever heard that before, Ive heard of that with D-Zine, but never Epi. Epistane works well for thousands, but you never know
 
Im just gonna do the first week what I said and then run 30mg the rest of the time. I think it should be okay. Its only 33 days on the cycle. I'M looking to cut and add some lean muscle so hopefully it works well
 
Have you thought on running that and then PCTing with Primordial Performance therapy stack?

I have been considering that path perhaps in the future.

Also, I've heard of a lot of success stories with pulsing Epi, anything comparable to H-Drol for pulsing?
 
No for pct I'm running activate and reversitol. In weeks 3 and 4 im gonna run leanfx too and try to cut fat brahhhhhs
 
Before you start, get a real PCT together with clomid and get an AI like arimidex or letro for on cycle support.

You can find these cheaper than the OTC PCT that you are planning, and they will actually work.

Not trying to be a douche here, but that OTC sh1t is a scam and you need REAL sh1t for epistane, which is a legitimate methyl steroid.
 
I also read you don't necessarily need a SERM because havoc is an anti estrogen. Excuse my ignorance brahhs
 
jblift said:
I also read you don't necessarily need a SERM because havoc is an anti estrogen. Excuse my ignorance brahhs
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Whether or not Havoc will increase estro levels is based on whether or not it will increase test levels. It cant raise test and not have the repercussion of lowering test and raising estro after discontinuing use.

The SERM helps to get the test levels back to normal

If a steroid doesn't need a PCT after it's use, it's not a steroid
 
so why wouldn't reversitol and activate as a stack work then? wouldn't that help get normals back to normal
 
jblift said:
so why wouldn't reversitol and activate as a stack work then? wouldn't that help get normals back to normal
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You need an actual blocker and not just a booster. You need the anti-steroid rather than the "boost my sh!t up" supplement.

Those two may not be strong enough to fight the absolute major rebound effect you will have once this is all said and done.
 
THinking about running Nolva 20/20/10/10 with Activate then LeanFx (cortisol blocker) weeks 3-6. opinions?
 
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