what to stack with my leftovers :) i have hdrol and mdrol
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CrazyChemist
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Run test e and use the orals as a kickstart.
itsgroll
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sorry but can you be a bit more specific?
itsgroll
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im not sure if i want to nor have the time to have a topical.
itsgroll
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thats true, are the effects the same? have you tried this before.
my bridge would look like this
Mdrol 10/20/20/10
Hdrol 0/50/50/75/75/100
and what dosage for the third??
PCT:
CEL PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20
cycle assist 2 weeks prior to starting and follow thru the whole thing
CrazyChemist
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boricuarage
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if you don't know what a kickstart is then you shouldn't take PH.
zorrin
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I'm planning a leftovers cycle for the spring, it's fun.
If you're using leftovers, you probably want to keep it cheap. This would be my plan with what you have, on a tight budget. Just buy
1) a 10ml vial of test enanthate, 250mg/ml. Take one or two 1ml injections per week, for 5 weeks
2)a cheap bulk box of syringes,
3) and some Nolva or Clomid for PCT.
These 3 items can be picked up very cheaply. A vial of injectible testosterone is the baked beans of the steroid world - it costs next to nothing, and can be found everywhere.
Testosterone is a healthy, value-for-money base for most steroid cycles.
Everyone has a stage where they say to themselves "I don't like the idea of injections" (and i respect that). We associate needles with heroin or AIDS, but once you've done it, it's not a big deal.
Your big box of 2ml insulin syringes is your key to a world of cheap, healthy steroid cycles. It's a little scary standing in the bathroom the first time, having read how to do "spot injections" online, with a syringe hovering over your butt cheek. Then you've done it, and you think "oh. that was OK". You look at the tiny spot on your bum for a minute, then take a hot bath.
You make good gains on test, it's natural to the body, and it just adds the "magic" to a cycle, whilst making you as horny as a teenager. Even a very low dose of 250mg week is more testosterone than a couple of 17 year old boys. You'll feel confident, manly and driven. New shirts will be necessary - you literally swell with growth.
I've never used M Drol or H Drol, but they are strong oral steroids which work. Take your first test shot, then start 20 days of H Drol and M Drol as a "kickstart". By this time, the testosterone will have kicked in (it takes a few weeks to get going). Oral steroids have the advantage that they start working quickly.
Testosterone enanthate or cypionate injections take weeks to start going, and also take weeks to fade away. They keep test levels high and steady for an extended period.
When your vial is empty, testosterone enanthate takes a few weeks to die away in your body. You will still gain muscle in weeks 6 and 7.
When you look good and feel sexy near the end of your test cycle, and your liver has had a rest following the H Drol / M Drol stack, you can even hit the bars on a saturday night, get drunk, and let the girls admire your muscles, whilst on testosterone - another advantage over liver-harsh oral steroids.
I'm on a test cycle, and I'm drunk right now.
The problem with taking steroids for 6 weeks, is that your balls will have stopped making their own testosterone by the end, and you take a few weeks for your balls to wake up and get up to speed. By taking Nolva or Clomid during these "Post Cycle Therapy" weeks, you recover quicker, keep more muscle, and feel less of a girl.
Without PCT, you have the hormone levels of a 90 year old woman. With PCT, you have the hormone levels, say, of a 50 year old man for a few weeks. Loss of at least some of your new muscle is inevitable.
It's the long cold winter of the testes. PCT makes for a warm early spring.
If you're using leftovers, you probably want to keep it cheap. This would be my plan with what you have, on a tight budget. Just buy
1) a 10ml vial of test enanthate, 250mg/ml. Take one or two 1ml injections per week, for 5 weeks
2)a cheap bulk box of syringes,
3) and some Nolva or Clomid for PCT.
These 3 items can be picked up very cheaply. A vial of injectible testosterone is the baked beans of the steroid world - it costs next to nothing, and can be found everywhere.
Testosterone is a healthy, value-for-money base for most steroid cycles.
Everyone has a stage where they say to themselves "I don't like the idea of injections" (and i respect that). We associate needles with heroin or AIDS, but once you've done it, it's not a big deal.
Your big box of 2ml insulin syringes is your key to a world of cheap, healthy steroid cycles. It's a little scary standing in the bathroom the first time, having read how to do "spot injections" online, with a syringe hovering over your butt cheek. Then you've done it, and you think "oh. that was OK". You look at the tiny spot on your bum for a minute, then take a hot bath.
You make good gains on test, it's natural to the body, and it just adds the "magic" to a cycle, whilst making you as horny as a teenager. Even a very low dose of 250mg week is more testosterone than a couple of 17 year old boys. You'll feel confident, manly and driven. New shirts will be necessary - you literally swell with growth.
I've never used M Drol or H Drol, but they are strong oral steroids which work. Take your first test shot, then start 20 days of H Drol and M Drol as a "kickstart". By this time, the testosterone will have kicked in (it takes a few weeks to get going). Oral steroids have the advantage that they start working quickly.
Testosterone enanthate or cypionate injections take weeks to start going, and also take weeks to fade away. They keep test levels high and steady for an extended period.
When your vial is empty, testosterone enanthate takes a few weeks to die away in your body. You will still gain muscle in weeks 6 and 7.
When you look good and feel sexy near the end of your test cycle, and your liver has had a rest following the H Drol / M Drol stack, you can even hit the bars on a saturday night, get drunk, and let the girls admire your muscles, whilst on testosterone - another advantage over liver-harsh oral steroids.
I'm on a test cycle, and I'm drunk right now.
The problem with taking steroids for 6 weeks, is that your balls will have stopped making their own testosterone by the end, and you take a few weeks for your balls to wake up and get up to speed. By taking Nolva or Clomid during these "Post Cycle Therapy" weeks, you recover quicker, keep more muscle, and feel less of a girl.
Without PCT, you have the hormone levels of a 90 year old woman. With PCT, you have the hormone levels, say, of a 50 year old man for a few weeks. Loss of at least some of your new muscle is inevitable.
It's the long cold winter of the testes. PCT makes for a warm early spring.
CrazyChemist
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Stopped reading the very long diatribe you wrote after this point zorrin :lol:
I think you mean 10mL vial of test propionate, 250mg/mL? Test e needs to be run at least 10-16 weeks for results, 5 weeks isnt going to cut it. Test p on the other hand can be run shorter. I like test e at 12 weeks with the PHs as a kick.
itsgroll
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you think using hdrol and mdrol for 4 weeks than into test e for 12wks would be sufficient....this would be my first injectable cycle.
zorrin
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I'm running test Cyp for 10 weeks, but itsgrol was looking for a 6 week cycle. I'm trying to keep it cheap and simple, hence the single vial of long chain test ester, and after 6 or 7 weeks "on" I think he'll definitely need at least basic PCT.
A 10ml vial of sustanon-type mix could be a better choice, because the little bit of prop will kick in earlier, but if you are taking your first steps into injecting, I wouldn't think you want to inject every other day.
A 10ml vial of sustanon-type mix could be a better choice, because the little bit of prop will kick in earlier, but if you are taking your first steps into injecting, I wouldn't think you want to inject every other day.
CrazyChemist
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hell yeah - thatd be a kickass cycle
CrazyChemist
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Stop. Seriously bro - running test e or any long chain ester for less than 10-12 MINIMUM is retarded. OP and Zorrin - read thread below in my autosignature.
itsgroll
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before running this cycle, can you point me into the right direction of a good reputable read on test e. i need to know exactly what im getting into, what to take and how to take it
thanks
CrazyChemist
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:boggled::dunno:No one ever listens to me when I say to read the thread.... the autosignature (bold text right below this very sentence), is the best read IMO for a place to start.:dunno::boggled:
CrazyChemist
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I'll even make it a clickable link for you -
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neverstop
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I respectfully disagree. You can run shorter cycles with longer lasting test. I've done it. You just have to take some big injections early so your blood concentration increases quickly and then stop early so you have time for it to clear your body before PCT. If your on Hdrol/mdrol then you don't need much test anyway to help. Don't get me wrong, test prop or cyp are what I prefer, but test is test when it's in your blood. It doesn't really matter what ester you have, the only thing the ester really affects is how long it takes to hit your blood. The thing is that if you just take consistent 500mg shots then the test increases in your blood slowly so you don't "feel" it as much.
I would say it's REQUIRED to have HCG personally if you're on a cycle longer than 5-6 weeks too otherwise PCT is much much more difficult. HCG is super cheap anyway and its easy to use. Heck, I even use HCG when I do short oral cycles. The extra test you have in your blood from the HCG isn't bad anyway.
I would say it's REQUIRED to have HCG personally if you're on a cycle longer than 5-6 weeks too otherwise PCT is much much more difficult. HCG is super cheap anyway and its easy to use. Heck, I even use HCG when I do short oral cycles. The extra test you have in your blood from the HCG isn't bad anyway.
neverstop
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sust is a good test, especially for beginners. Stable hormone levels are key for reducing side effects in my experience.
CrazyChemist
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This is not what was suggested nor what I was objecting to. I was saying 5 weeks at 1-2 250mg shots weekly was nonsensical (see below). Your cycle I would not recommend this for beginners. A first cycle, IMO, should be test e, 500mg/wk, for 12 weeks. Its simple and straightforward.
That being said, you are correct. You could, theoretically, megadose a long chain ester. I have not done this personally, nor seen it done. I would be very concerned about the stability of the test levels and would discourage this type of cycle HOWEVER, I could see it theoretically being workable.
True but he asked for my (our) $0.02 and rather than running a half-ass hdrol/mdrol cycle (he only has ~10 days of each) I personally would get a test base and use the orals as a kickstart. Thats just me, thats how I roll. Not saying you couldnt create an oral only cycle.
Don't remember hCG coming up in this thread. I have a ton of it (like 20 vials at 5000iu each) so I run it with every cycle as well. Not sure I'd say its required for a 6 weeker but certainly doesn't hurt.
itsgroll
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I sent you a PM but my when i checked, for some reason it wouldnt send, so just incase you did not get it, i cut and pasted my PM below. Thanks again!
Hey there, i just want to say thankyou for your help. I read Unreals guide to injecting, as well i have done much more research and have come to a fairly clear understanding on the topic. If you could help me develope a 12 week cycle that would be great....
My background:
competative Natural Bodybuilder for 4 years. I have won debute, novice and open class. Its now time to step my game up inorder to compete with the big boys down in NPC FL. I am 24 years old, and have for the last year tried 2 6 week oral cycles of Hdrol and Mdrol. Both were good, but not to my satisfaction. I need to raise the bar. I have a BS in kinesiology and nutrition so i understand most of the chemistry going on with this cycle.
My thoughts for the up coming cycle:
4 weeks of Mdrol 10/20/20/30 and hdrol 50/50/75/75
12 weeks on Test E along wit hCg
Cycle assist 2 weeks prior to starting the orals, and follow thru until PCT.
PCT is where i am unclear on. From what ive read, even after 2 weeks of my last injection i still have steroids in my system, thus PCT should start 2 weeks afterwards, correct?
PCT will be Nolva 20/20/40/40 along with PCT from CEL.
ThankYou for your help. I plan on starting this by mid feb! If all is well, i will do several cycles and take the stage again in 2012!
CrazyChemist
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the PMs sent do not save unless u click "Save sent message". Did you get my response to ur PM?
As far as PCT, test e has a long-half life and it not immediately taken up into the bloodstream. Therefore, 2 weeks after last inject you still have quite a bit in ur body. As a matter of fact, assuming a 2 wk half life, you still have about 460mg in ur body after wk. 1 and you continue to increase the residual till wk. 9 when you'll reach about 1500mg of test in your body. Now this is a simplified half-life model because not all the test you inject is immediately active. But 2 wks after last inject u'll still have ~750mg hanging around that will slowly be metabolism. Bottom line, starting pct 2 wks after last inject and running for about 4 wks is ideal. I would recommend 4 wks clomid at 200mg for the first 3 days, 150 for the next 4 days (finishing out the first week) and then 100,50,25 over the next 3 wks stepping down each week. I like sustain alpha for a natural test booster, AIs post cycle support and lean xtreme for cortisol control. Creatine and a post workout supp help in the gym.
remember to take time off between cycles.
As far as PCT, test e has a long-half life and it not immediately taken up into the bloodstream. Therefore, 2 weeks after last inject you still have quite a bit in ur body. As a matter of fact, assuming a 2 wk half life, you still have about 460mg in ur body after wk. 1 and you continue to increase the residual till wk. 9 when you'll reach about 1500mg of test in your body. Now this is a simplified half-life model because not all the test you inject is immediately active. But 2 wks after last inject u'll still have ~750mg hanging around that will slowly be metabolism. Bottom line, starting pct 2 wks after last inject and running for about 4 wks is ideal. I would recommend 4 wks clomid at 200mg for the first 3 days, 150 for the next 4 days (finishing out the first week) and then 100,50,25 over the next 3 wks stepping down each week. I like sustain alpha for a natural test booster, AIs post cycle support and lean xtreme for cortisol control. Creatine and a post workout supp help in the gym.
remember to take time off between cycles.
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