Hair Loss Prevention
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mildot
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I used Finastride. Had multiple side affects from it beginning week 3 and remained on product until end of month two to see if the decreased. The sides went away about three weeks after I stopped the product. . . .
Back to minoxidil until I select an additional item to add to my treament.
Back to minoxidil until I select an additional item to add to my treament.
theface
Member
Interesting, no I haven't noticed much of a decrease, but this should be looked into further.
niCe99
Member
Update
I dropped the Saw Palmetto for a week and am now running it at 1 every 2 days
Libido is still fine
PowerHouse555
Member
i notice an increase in libido with Saw P
niCe99
Member
I did at first....a very VERY large increase
then after awhile, my libido literally shot dead
theface
Member
Okay, I am now convinced that there is a direct correlation with gear that is prone to causing acne and the thinning of my hair. I'm having to fully clean out my system with milk thistle etc and not use any product in my hair just to try and start growth again. I'm using minoxidil with a. acid 2 times a day and it seems to have halted the thinning. What is everyone's opinion of topical azelaic acid? I'm hearing mixed reviews.
lyfespan
Well-known member
um yeah there is a connection, its DHT. I have seen you posting in here off and on for quite sum tyme now, quick question do you notice shedding when your not cycling? and if so you seem so worried about your hair line why are you cyling? just curious.
cause its one or the other for most of us, hair, or muscles
and your 26 unless you are balding in the rear what the hell are you so worried about?
theface
Member
Yeah, I know lol. I'm cycling because it's my job to look a certain way and I want to be the best that I can, which also means making more money. My hairline a few years ago was quite bad, and I actually brought it back, which is unheard of. I have been keeping dht at bay via finasteride, which I don't use anymore, and saw palmetto. I just hate that I certain things which aren't supposed to convert to dht end up causing my hair to shed.
lyfespan
Well-known member
yeah, DHT is a tuffy since theres no way to regulate it. Its not like test and estro, they werk on a loop. but this DHT just seems to build up with nothing to keep it in check. Its not like you can just take more DHT anddown regulate it, cause no loop. So whats one to do?
theface
Member
I'll do absolutely anything to keep my hair. I don't give a crap. I'll get hair graphs when I get older.
Colin
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Dunno if you're still posting on AM but if not,does anyone know if toppical RU58841 woui;d be a good thing to use while on a deca/test cycle?
Oral fin is out but how would topical finasteride (Dr.Lee's) work out in such a s enario?
steakboy
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Glad we're already on the DHT conversation. I just started thinking about PP's products increasing DHT levels in the body (androhard). My hairline started dropping back at age 29 after a cycle of mdrol... was able to bring it back to better than before with nizoral and rogaine. So far my hairline is great but... what if there was an increase in DHT? would this little hairloss stack of mine do the trick anymore? rogaine stops DHT in the scalp, right? maybe if i used rogaine in a more concentrated dose and added something else? any thoughts?
CobbledPath
Member
I've found www baldingblog com to be a very useful resource for my own hairline issues. I suppose the thing to consider is that balding is genetic and you can only delay it's onset for so long, but fight hard I will!!
I am currently using Avodart after year on Propecia and it's holding my hairline in place (probably close to a norwood 3 now) I hope that cloning will happen in the next few years (5-10) as that will solve all problems. This damn GFC has probably slowed a lot of research with funding cuts though.
I am currently using Avodart after year on Propecia and it's holding my hairline in place (probably close to a norwood 3 now) I hope that cloning will happen in the next few years (5-10) as that will solve all problems. This damn GFC has probably slowed a lot of research with funding cuts though.
theface
Member
Which Nizoral did you use?
BigVrunga
Well-known member
Hey bro,
Ive read a lot of mixed opinions on Oral Finasteride on a test/deca cycle. Some people say don't do it, because of deca's conversion to DHN, but others say blocking 5ar will reduce DHT, which is far more potent as far as hair loss is concerned.
I'd say if you're going to do a test cycle, and are prone to hairloss, you really need a systemic DHT reduction strategy. Otherwise, topicals like Spiro, finasteride, etc MAY work, but I have no idea how effective they'll be.
FWIW, Spiro kept the hair on my head when I was using 1-test back in the day.
-BV
lyfespan
Well-known member
i have noticed regrowth in the temporal areas with the nizoral otc
Harry Manback
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OTC Nizoral 1% has thickened up my hair noticably. It's $15 bucks a bottle for me but worth it. I have wondered how the 2% would work out.
steakboy
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Well i don't really want to reduce DHT so much IN the body, but just on my scalp, so maybe if i up the topicals. i'd hate to mess with dht to much as its the best for making me manly and awesome. I'll get some prescription strength nizoral and some super-rogaine with whatever that other juice is that people use. i'm gonna hope it'll work.
Ession
Member
Yeahhh you are badly misinofrmed. But whatever.
IFBB7
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Have i heard wrong when it comes to people saying you can purchase propecia over the net without a prescription, or is that just wishful thinking?
Being prone to mpb and hoping to start my first ph in the next 6-8 weeks, would a topical solution, or the propecia be the best way to go.
Will be a mild 20/20/30/30 of havoc or ibe epi, so wondering if anyone has any experience with those at a low dose, and hairloss
Being prone to mpb and hoping to start my first ph in the next 6-8 weeks, would a topical solution, or the propecia be the best way to go.
Will be a mild 20/20/30/30 of havoc or ibe epi, so wondering if anyone has any experience with those at a low dose, and hairloss
jhealey1980
New member
Hello all, noob here. I have a very specific question but figured it best to try and ask it first within a relevant thread than to start a new post.
I am trying to find out where one might source Ketoconazole in either a powdered or liquid solution form. Since Nizoral's patent has expired, I expect it should be available, though I am looking to purchase it in small quantities, not by the barrel.
Currently, I use RU58841, and have for about 3 years now. It's by far the most effective treatment I've ever used. Blocks the DHT receptors only, so no real side effects to speak of. I would like to add Ketoconazole to my solution, but have had a heck of a time tracking it down. In doing searches on this forum, I noticed some old posts dating back to 2005 indicating powdered Ketoconazole was indeed available on the open market, but I'm thinking the sources may be outdated at this point. Has anyone had any luck tracking down powdered Ketoconazole, and if so, what was the cost? Those little bottles of Nizoral shampoo sure do cost a small fortune!
And to address IFBB7—I have purchased generic Propecia over the internet without a prescription. Made in India, and good quality (though there are an increasing number of counterfeit prescription drugs coming out of India these days...) *However*, I would not particularly recommend it, as it's a long-term libido killer, unless, possibly, you already have an enlarged prostate. I found dutasteride, also available without a script, far more effective, but with the same nasty side effects. Feel free to PM me if you have any more specific questions about either.
I am trying to find out where one might source Ketoconazole in either a powdered or liquid solution form. Since Nizoral's patent has expired, I expect it should be available, though I am looking to purchase it in small quantities, not by the barrel.
Currently, I use RU58841, and have for about 3 years now. It's by far the most effective treatment I've ever used. Blocks the DHT receptors only, so no real side effects to speak of. I would like to add Ketoconazole to my solution, but have had a heck of a time tracking it down. In doing searches on this forum, I noticed some old posts dating back to 2005 indicating powdered Ketoconazole was indeed available on the open market, but I'm thinking the sources may be outdated at this point. Has anyone had any luck tracking down powdered Ketoconazole, and if so, what was the cost? Those little bottles of Nizoral shampoo sure do cost a small fortune!
And to address IFBB7—I have purchased generic Propecia over the internet without a prescription. Made in India, and good quality (though there are an increasing number of counterfeit prescription drugs coming out of India these days...) *However*, I would not particularly recommend it, as it's a long-term libido killer, unless, possibly, you already have an enlarged prostate. I found dutasteride, also available without a script, far more effective, but with the same nasty side effects. Feel free to PM me if you have any more specific questions about either.
Lightweight1
Active member
Great Post guys, I emailed Dr. Lee and sent him some pics of my hair and he gave me his thoughts on it and what he recommends. I placed my order almost same day, they were super fast with email response. They already emailed me already that my products have shipped.
Nlarge
New member
Hey fellas first post.
if you are not prone to male pattern baldness but still want to avoid thinning what can you take while on a cycle of bold/tren. my other question is, even if you came off the cycle safely and took whatever topical or oral hair loss supplement for the duration and stopped directly after would that avoid any damage or just mask it. Don't intend on having to use hair products the rest of my life (no offence). I guess what im asking is if there is a "Condom" type aid for this perticular non methyl cycle.
if you are not prone to male pattern baldness but still want to avoid thinning what can you take while on a cycle of bold/tren. my other question is, even if you came off the cycle safely and took whatever topical or oral hair loss supplement for the duration and stopped directly after would that avoid any damage or just mask it. Don't intend on having to use hair products the rest of my life (no offence). I guess what im asking is if there is a "Condom" type aid for this perticular non methyl cycle.
abformulations
Legend
Would Nizoral shampoo 1% be good to avoid or is to get back thicker hair? I just started my Androhard cycle with turinabol from pp and worried about shedding hair. Im taking toco 8 while on cycle. Should i buy Nizoral shampoo 1% for a little more help and prevention?
wastedwhiteboy2
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I use it regularly to help keep a little hair.
Outstanding
Well-known member
Great posts, thanks for the Blog suggestion and also reminding me about Nizoral.
I think I'm going to upgrade my past couple years of Minoxidil 5% usage to:
-Minoxidil 5% (am/pm) from Sam's Club (dirt cheap, Member's Mark brand)
-Nizoral 3% EOD in the shower (the enhanced 3% "Regrowth Treatment" version)
-Saw Palmetto Extract 85-95% 6-650mg/day (2 soft gels, am/pm)
...If this doesn't amplify results, especially in light of my forthcoming cycle, I am going to look into both the 15% Monoxidil solution as well as the Spironolactone and/or Azelaic Acid (if I can find them on a website I deem secure and lefgit/trustworthy).
Lastly... did anyone ever come to a consensus in this thread whether or not oral ingestion of anti-DHT supplements cause enough of a suppressive effect in optimal anabolic response while using steroids, to be of concern?
swish1985
Member
does anyone have feedback on alpecin caffeine shampoo.....I was looking for a close COUNTRY to order from. So I was reading the descriptions on every website that was selling the shampoo. Most of them had the same information some more than others but the last one i came across said:
"Please note discontinuation of the Alpecin system may result in reversal of the positive effects.
Does that mean all the progress its made or does it mean it will now speed up your balding? Any feedback would be much appreciated.
"Please note discontinuation of the Alpecin system may result in reversal of the positive effects.
Does that mean all the progress its made or does it mean it will now speed up your balding? Any feedback would be much appreciated.
jhealey1980
New member
Now that Nizoral is off patent, does anyone know if it can be obtained in raw form? I've seen it mentioned here a few times on these boards that it can be purchased as a powder, but can't seem to track down a source. It's available over the counter as a shampoo so it's not a banned substance by any means. I'd like to compound my own topical with ketoconazole in it, not just relying on it in shampoo form. Not to mention the high price of Nizoral.
Outstanding
Well-known member
Good question... I'm sure I already saw a Wal-Mart version of it last week, but that was just the weak 1% version, marketed on the bottles an anti-dry scalp I believe, nothing about hairloss. I guess they can't advertise it as hair loss either because it isn't FDA approved to do so, or the 1% is so minimal and it would need to be 3%?
abformulations
Legend
Would taking nizoral 1% make any difference? I'm not losing hair but I am taking androhard which raises dht. I'm a little worried. So is 1% good enough? Or 3% is beter for the money? Mind u no hair loss just to prevent. And this is over the counter am I right?
swish1985
Member
Nizoral 2% keeps your hair in check, that fits your situation well. 5% promotes hair growth. Im not sure about 1% or 3%
Outstanding
Well-known member
I Googled for Nizoral 5% (as well as the active Ketoconazole), and nothing came up?
BigVrunga
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I don't believe a 5% Ketoconazole solution is available. Swish may have been talking about Spironolactone...
BigVrunga
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Depending on what else is in those tablets, you might be able to get away with those...
BigVrunga
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I've been using 1g finasteride daily for years without any sides whatsoever...all depends on the person. My own personal theory is that some folks with the MPB gene have abnormally high levels of DHT, and bringing it down via systemic DHT blockers works without issue. Others may have normal/low levels of DHT, but have more receptors on the scalp that are overly sensitive to it. Lowering DHT in these people can have an adverse affect. That's my own, untested, hypothesis. Take it for what its worth
If you're going to run a cycle that produces a large amount of DHT, I can imagine lowering it would help save hair but may also negate the positive effects of DHT as well. Strength and aromatase inhibition to name a couple. Losing a few lbs off your max lifts while on cycle may actually be a good idea to prevent joint/connective tissue issues - but if I were running a good dose of finasteride on a test cycle Id make sure to have an anti-e on hand.
That's common sense anyway, but keep in mind that DHT is the body's natural AI...reducing it while there's an excess of test in your system could cause negative effects.
BV
Outstanding
Well-known member
Thanks so much for the reply. I was asking about Saw Palmetto daily intake, opposed to prescription interventions (paired with continued Minoxidil and adding in 3% Nizoral - which is my plan during my next cycle).
I am interested in adding the laser therapy along with the copper topical cream therapy - but don't have the resources right now.
chrisklinton
New member
hair loss is a common problem and even i am facing right now but the best way to prevent it is use ayurvedic medicine daily. Yes this is the best way.........
abformulations
Legend
I need to research that. I'm new to these medicines and hair products. Can u provide info? Thanx bro
doctacarta
New member
i like Toco-8 by PP and Nizoral
rulk22
Well-known member
Toco 8 isnt really advertised for hair growth but it should be. Its included in the testosterone recovery stack but ive been taking this as a general health supp since last year. Definatly worth looking into.
BigBlackGuy
Well-known member
Same on the toco-8. I'm about to get a prescription for Nizoral from where a friend works as a nurse. Free nizoral 2%? Take me there.
I don't even have hair loss, I just want to maintain. Pledge allegiance... to thick hair :usa2: :lmao:
Toco-8 made it thicker though, as I feel like I've already told people in 8 separate posts in the past 2 days.
Orange Triad by controlled labs is on sale I think, it has tocotrienols in it as well.
jinxie
Well-known member
Okay, finasteride no more. It dropped my DHT down to 22. Just above range, to below range. And my SHBG went up, and my total, free and bioavailable T went into the crap can.
I am secondary hypogonadal, and am thinking about stopping hCG, so I don't like have to take an AI and finasteride. hCG brought my testosterone up from the gutter to normal range, but it took my E2 and DHT along for the ride, and beyond range.
1) Any thoughts on taking aromasin alone, for secondary hypogonadism? I've read some good things. I know it's going to send my testosterone to the levels many seek. But I've read that, for some, it puts them in mid rang, and that's fine for me. I am not looking to be in a highly anabolic state. Just healthy and not easily fatigued. Putting on muscle is never an issue for me. Fatigue such that I couldn't get to the gym, or pain so bad I couldn't get back to the gym, was -- prior to TRT.
2) What are the latest thoughts on topicals? I have azaleic acid, topical keto, and nizoral. I use rogaine 2 times per day. I have some spiro oral, and was thinking about dropping 1 in my rogaine solution.
I dont want to be a slave to this stuff, but if adding some topicals regularly helps, I'll do it. And if taking aromasin (or arimidex) by itself puts everything including DHT in mid range, that may be the answer as well, and make the topicals less important.
Hair loss started when I went on hCG. So removing that may be a wise place to start.
Thanks in advance for constructive advice.
I am secondary hypogonadal, and am thinking about stopping hCG, so I don't like have to take an AI and finasteride. hCG brought my testosterone up from the gutter to normal range, but it took my E2 and DHT along for the ride, and beyond range.
1) Any thoughts on taking aromasin alone, for secondary hypogonadism? I've read some good things. I know it's going to send my testosterone to the levels many seek. But I've read that, for some, it puts them in mid rang, and that's fine for me. I am not looking to be in a highly anabolic state. Just healthy and not easily fatigued. Putting on muscle is never an issue for me. Fatigue such that I couldn't get to the gym, or pain so bad I couldn't get back to the gym, was -- prior to TRT.
2) What are the latest thoughts on topicals? I have azaleic acid, topical keto, and nizoral. I use rogaine 2 times per day. I have some spiro oral, and was thinking about dropping 1 in my rogaine solution.
I dont want to be a slave to this stuff, but if adding some topicals regularly helps, I'll do it. And if taking aromasin (or arimidex) by itself puts everything including DHT in mid range, that may be the answer as well, and make the topicals less important.
Hair loss started when I went on hCG. So removing that may be a wise place to start.
Thanks in advance for constructive advice.
wastedwhiteboy2
Board Supporter
You probably should have used lower doses of fina. I use it at a low dose 2-3 times a week. Depending on how I feel. If the sex drive is gone I leave it alone til it comes back. If I'm getting zits everywhere then I increase the doses. Of course blood test would be more accurate but my test levels change depending on cycles or pulsing.
1Aromison depends on what your E2 levels are. If they are too high try a low dose. Too much and you could drop your levels too low.
2I like the nizoral because it is supposed to only block DHT at the scalp where you apply it and not affect DHT in your bloodstream.
1Aromison depends on what your E2 levels are. If they are too high try a low dose. Too much and you could drop your levels too low.
2I like the nizoral because it is supposed to only block DHT at the scalp where you apply it and not affect DHT in your bloodstream.
HereToStudy
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This is really one of the best parts of using Toco-8 for hair growth is it fits into a yearly regimen for general health, and each container keeps you going for 60 days!