Geraldo Rivera changes mind on 911 Truth

[DAdams91982]

The building was pulverized and fell freefall in 2.5 seconds,

There are over 1,200 engineers that are openly questioning the collapse and linking it to a controlled demolition.

Read the structure magazine and you will see there are plenty of structural engineers that disagree, and dont go theorizing controlled dets.

 

[ax1]

That just doesnt make sense, Im going to side with the 1,200 engineers if you want to side with experts. The building is a steel structure building that fell in 2.5 seconds, and it totally pulverized within itself all the way to the ground, and the fires were almost all out and were only on a couple of floors. It almost fell completely freefall speed with no resistance, and there are bomb holes going off all over the building.

Larry Silverstein admits he made the call to pull the building on a PBS documentary later on, but now he denies that. The police were telling people on the streets to move back because they are going to "pull" the building.

So what do you of the multiple explosions? Including the ones in the sub-basement in the WTC.

I dont think you need an expert to tell you that, you need witnesses, which they are many including firefighters inside the building. The firefighter's video was recent which was pulled with the freedom of information act.

 

[ax1]

Read the structure magazine and you will see there are plenty of structural engineers that disagree, and dont go theorizing controlled dets.

Im sorry, but that video seems like a government propaganda piece to discredit the engineers who think otherwise. Steel structure buildings wouldnt completely collapse to the ground even if 1 side was heavily damaged.

What about the multiple account of bombs going off by civilians, fighfighters and policemen?......this video doesnt explain how there were bombs in the basement and lobby.

 

[ax1]

We can endlessly go back and forth, all Im saying is we need a new investigation, and not people appointed by the white house.

Are you ok with a new independent investigation DAdams?

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - Press Conference - Victoria, BC





9/11 Truth: MIT Engineer Jeff King Says WTC Demolished



Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

 

[DAdams91982]

That just doesnt make sense, Im going to side with the 1,200 engineers if you want to side with experts. The building is a steel structure building that fell in 2.5 seconds, and it totally pulverized within itself all the way to the ground, and the fires were almost all out and were only on a couple of floors. It almost fell completely freefall speed with no resistance, and there are bomb holes going off all over the building.

Larry Silverstein admits he made the call to pull the building on a PBS documentary later on, but now he denies that. The police were telling people on the streets to move back because they are going to "pull" the building.

So what do you of the multiple explosions? Including the ones in the sub-basement in the WTC.

I dont think you need an expert to tell you that, you need witnesses, which they are many including firefighters inside the building. The firefighter's video was recent which was pulled with the freedom of information act.

Hahaha... that number gets lower and lower every time a truther brings it up. First it was 6.5 seconds, now 2.5?

As for Silverstein:
Are you meaning when building 6 was "Pulled"?

Silverstein's Quote:

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, he was talking to the fire commander

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, both are not in the demolition business

Silverstein's spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified:

"In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building."

He could be lying, right? But here is the corroborating evidence...

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski

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Here is more evidence they pulled the teams out waiting for a normal collapse from fire...

"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department

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"Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed." - Chief Cruthers

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"Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. (Q. Initially when you were there, you had said you heard a few Maydays?) Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed.... Basically, we fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got a lot more organized, I would guess." - Lieutenant William Ryan

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"Firehouse: Did that chief give an assignment to go to building 7?

Boyle: He gave out an assignment. I didn’t know exactly what it was, but he told the chief that we were heading down to the site.

Firehouse: How many companies?

Boyle: There were four engines and at least three trucks. So we’re heading east on Vesey, we couldn’t see much past Broadway. We couldn’t see Church Street. We couldn’t see what was down there. It was really smoky and dusty."

"A little north of Vesey I said, we’ll go down, let’s see what’s going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what’s going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

But they had a hoseline operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too. Then we received an order from Fellini, we’re going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn’t look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn’t really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I’m standing next to said, that building doesn’t look straight. So I’m standing there. I’m looking at the building. It didn’t look right, but, well, we’ll go in, we’ll see.

So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody’s going into 7, there’s creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?

Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.

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This proves there was a big hole on the south side of the building. From the photographic evidence and these quotes which aren't meant to be technical, I suspect there was a large hole in the center of the building which may have gone up 10 stories connected to a large rip on the left side of the building which continued up another 10 or more stories. Together they would make "a hole 20 stories tall".

Hayden: Yeah. There was enough there and we were marking off. There were a lot of damaged apparatus there that were covered. We tried to get searches in those areas. By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?

Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.

Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7— did you have to get all of those people out?

Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. At that point in time, it seemed like a somewhat smaller event, but under any normal circumstances, that’s a major event, a 47-story building collapsing. It seemed like a firecracker after the other ones came down, but I mean that’s a big building, and when it came down, it was quite an event. But having gone through the other two, it didn’t seem so bad. But that’s what we were concerned about. We had said to the guys, we lost as many as 300 guys. We didn’t want to lose any more people that day. And when those numbers start to set in among everybody… My feeling early on was we weren’t going to find any survivors. You either made it out or you didn’t make it out. It was a cataclysmic event. The idea of somebody living in that thing to me would have been only short of a miracle. This thing became geographically sectored because of the collapse. I was at West and Liberty. I couldn’t go further north on West Street. And I couldn’t go further east on Liberty because of the collapse of the south tower, so physically we were boxed in.

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It mirrors what Silverstein said.

WTC Building 7 appears to have suffered significant damage at some point after the WTC Towers had collapsed, according to firefighters at the scene. Firefighter Butch Brandies tells other firefighters that nobody is to go into Building 7 because of creaking and noises coming out of there. [Firehouse Magazine, 8/02]

Battalion Chief John Norman later recalls, "At the edge of the south face you could see that it is very heavily damaged." [Firehouse Magazine, 5/02]

Heavy, thick smoke rises near 7 World Trade Center. Smoke is visible from the upper floors of the 47-story building. Firefighters using transits to determine whether there was any movement in the structure were surprised to discover that is was moving. The area was evacuated and the building collapsed later in the afternoon of Sept. 11.

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And now for the best video evidence to date from our friends at 911myths...

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That alone should end this debate. The fire department didn't have orders from on high. So that leaves the fire department lying to cover up a demolition for Bush or the firefighters made a good call.

 

[ax1]

No i mean when Silverstein gave the order to pull building 7 on the morning of 9/11

 

[DAdams91982]

Im sorry, but that video seems like a government propaganda piece to discredit the engineers who think otherwise. Steel structure buildings wouldnt completely collapse to the ground even if 1 side was heavily damaged.

What about the multiple account of bombs going off by civilians, fighfighters and policemen?......this video doesnt explain how there were bombs in the basement and lobby.

There is no need to discredit, I thought the images were all truthers needed to prove their preposterous theories? OR, is it that the explanation doesnt fit your idea that the Government is all evil and kills its own citizens?

Man, you must have no experience in civil engineering then.

here... here is an easy experiment you yourself can try at home.

Down the center of your house (Assuming you have a house) there are a series of columns supporting your structure. Now, go knock one down and roast some marshmallows in your bedroom and kitchen (IE start some fires). Oh, and to make it authentic... make sure you take a wrecking ball and remove a good portion of the center of one side of your house.

Now as we saying Ladder Company 6 are all liars?

 

[DAdams91982]

No i mean when Silverstein gave the order to pull building 7 on the morning of 9/11

I see you just skip my reading.

So I will just leave with this.

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[ax1]

Man, you must have no experience in civil engineering then.

Thats what im going by, the engineers. I posted videos of them wanting to re-open an investigation, there are over 1,300 of them now who openly will say you are wrong.

There are also 220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials who will also say you are wrong.


The list is to big to post, but they are listed here. All 1,520+ of the above mentioned, who they are, what they are (credentials) and more including 250+ plus pilots and aviation professionals.

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[thebigt]

i can't believe anyone would think our government would lie or cover up....geez these are our elected officials who have nothing but the best intentions for us ordinary citizens. remember-they feel our pain-now, lets roll.....i still remember kent state, 4 dead in ohio.

 

[DAdams91982]

i can't believe anyone would think our government would lie or cover up....geez these are our elected officials who have nothing but the best intentions for us ordinary citizens. remember-they feel our pain-now, lets roll.....i still remember kent state, 4 dead in ohio.

Dont forget the inability to hide a blow job, but this perfect cover up of the largest inside attack on America is not out of the realm of possibility.

 

[thebigt]

Dont forget the inability to hide a blow job, but this perfect cover up of the largest inside attack on America is not out of the realm of possibility.

scientifically a few scientists have shown that man's trip to the moon was not possible-now that would be one hell of a cover up, lol.

 

[ax1]

scientifically a few scientists have shown that man's trip to the moon was not possible-now that would be one hell of a cover up, lol.

I know that somebody approached one of those astronauts not to long ago, and the old man punched him in the mouth, lol

 

[DAdams91982]

scientifically a few scientists have shown that man's trip to the moon was not possible-now that would be one hell of a cover up, lol.

Ha... MythBusters put that one to rest recently as well. Took the conspiracy theorist website and performed tests on each of their theories.

Funny thing was... NASA even let them use all their vacuum equipment... went to show that they were not worried about being caught.

 

[thebigt]

I know that somebody approached one of those astronauts not to long ago, and the old man punched him in the mouth, lol

the van allen radiation belt intriques me. there seems to be no way they could have survived it.

 

[ax1]

So whats your take DAdams on the multiple explosions stated by the firefighters who were in the building? And the people that were in the buildings, workers, bystanders, etc....?

 

[DAdams91982]

So whats your take DAdams on the multiple explosions stated by the firefighters who were in the building? And the people that were in the buildings, workers, bystanders, etc....?

Ladder 6 explained the explosions as many of the 10 transformers along outside of building, 12 on the 5th floor, and 2 dry on the 7th floor.

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[DAdams91982]

Lets not forget the "Penthouse Kink" lined up with the oil/fuel distribution system in the building.

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[AE14]

what about project Northwoods? just saying

 

[ax1]

Ladder 6 explained the explosions as many of the 10 transformers along outside of building, 12 on the 5th floor, and 2 dry on the 7th floor.

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The firefighters/witnesses reported the explosions inside the building, I do see the point that there were other explosions outside the building from that.

There were explosions in the sub-basement that was reported by multiple WTC workers that were inside the building before the plane hit.

I posted the videos from 9/11 in the thread so I wont re-post.

what about project Northwoods? just saying

I heard of that,

Lets also not forget about...........

60,000 of my previous generation died over a staged Gulf of Tonkin incident that launched the Vietnam war. Hundreds of thousands of americans injured as well.

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[DAdams91982]

what about project Northwoods? just saying

And look at that, somehow they could not keep that hidden.

 

[DAdams91982]

The firefighters/witnesses reported the explosions inside the building, I do see the point that there were other explosions outside the building from that.

There were explosions in the sub-basement that was reported by multiple WTC workers that were inside the building before the plane hit.

I posted the videos from 9/11 in the thread so I wont re-post.



I heard of that,

Lets also not forget about...........

60,000 of my previous generation died over a staged Gulf of Tonkin incident that launched the Vietnam war. Hundreds of thousands of americans injured as well.

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Reread what I have said. Transformers resided in the building as well.

Also the penthouse kink was directly in line with the fuel/oil delivery system.

I think what many people do not understand is the fog of war... It is hard to explain it to people who have not lived through it.

 

[AE14]

And look at that, somehow they could not keep that hidden.

I agree, I think that the government couldnt be behind it, they cant hide
sh!t. To that end, I do wonder about if there are others behind the scene? Did anyone hear about "Foundation X" and their offer to the British government to payoff there several billion pound debt?

 

[thebigt]

while we are on the topic of conspiracies, i have never understood how all those japanese planes could have made it to pearl harbor undetected????????????????????????????????????

 

[ax1]

while we are on the topic of conspiracies, i have never understood how all those japanese planes could have made it to pearl harbor undetected????????????????????????????????????

Start your own thread rubbernuts.....lol

just kidding

 

[ax1]

I think what many people do not understand is the fog of war... It is hard to explain it to people who have not lived through it.

Including the 220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials who think your wrong?

Just a few below

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"Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984, commanding 15,000 intelligence and security personnel. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career. Member, Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.

General of all American Intelligence: 911 was a fraud!



General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. European Command, which included all American military activities in the 89 countries and territories of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. Additionally, Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR), which granted him overall command of NATO military forces in Europe 1997 - 2001. Awarded Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart for his service in Viet Nam and numerous subsequent medals and citations. Graduated valedictorian of his class at West Point.

Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990 - 1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. 1990 - 1994.

Capt. Edgar Mitchell, U.S. Navy (ret), BS Industrial Management, BS Aeronautical Engineering, Doctor of Science, Aeronautics and Astronautics from MIT – Pilot and Astronaut. Sixth man to walk on the moon (Apollo 14 mission). Patrol bomber and attack plane pilot, U.S. Navy. Test Pilot, Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 5 (VX-5). Chief of Project Management Division, Navy Field Office for the Manned Orbiting Laboratory Project. Graduated first in his class from the Aerospace Research Pilot School, and served as an instructor there. Recipient of many awards and honors including the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the USN Distinguished Medal and three NASA Group Achievement Awards. Inducted to the Space Hall of Fame in 1979 and the Astronaut Hall of Fame in 1998. Recipient of honorary doctorates in engineering from New Mexico State University, the University of Akron, Carnegie Mellon University, and a ScD from Embry-Riddle University. Founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences.


Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.

Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career. Licensed commercial pilot. Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic. "

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"Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret) (1926 - 2009) – Former Director, Ground Weapons Systems, Office of International Logistics Negotiations serving as chief Pentagon arms negotiator for the Middle East. Former Civilian Deputy Chief of the International Division, Office of the Chief of Research and Development. Also served as Commander of Special Troops for the U.S. Army Reserves. Served as radio operator in World War II. Became commissioned officer in 1950. Infantry troop leader and paratrooper, as well as a combat troop commander and intelligence officer with the 27th Infantry "Wolfhound" Regiment in Korea 1950 - 1953. Sustained major injuries in Korea 1953. FAA certified private pilot. Author of Confessions of an Arms Peddler (1979), Barbarians Inside the Gates Book 1 (2000), The Viper's Venom: Barbarians Inside the Gates (Book III) (2002), Look Homeward Cowboy: A Saga of World War II (2002), The Rattler's Revenge: Barbarians Inside the Gates (Book III) (2003), The Boys from Bent Willow: A Saga of World War II (2003).

* Article September 11 - U.S. Government Accused by the Portugal News 3/8/02:

"A group of military and civilian US pilots, under the chairmanship of Colonel Donn de Grand [sic], after deliberating non-stop for 72 hours, has concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners, involved in the September 11th tragedy, had no control over their aircraft.

In a detailed press communiqué the inquiry stated: "The so-called terrorist attack was in fact a superbly executed military operation carried out against the USA, requiring the utmost professional military skill in command, communications and control. It was flawless in timing, in the choice of selected aircraft to be used as guided missiles and in the coordinated delivery of those missiles to their pre-selected targets."

The report seriously questions whether or not the suspect hijackers, supposedly trained on Cessna light aircraft, could have located a target dead-on 200 miles from take off point. It further throws into doubt their ability to master the intricacies of the instrument flight rules (IFR) in the 45 minutes from take off to the point of impact. Colonel de Grand said that it would be impossible for novices to have taken control of the four aircraft and orchestrated such a terrible act requiring military precision of the highest order." Invalid Link Removed


* Member: Veterans For 9/11 Truth Association statement:

"Our mission, simply put, is to save the United States of America and to defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic. To that end, we seek to restore true values, integrity, honesty, and leadership in government at the local, state and national level. We are opposed to tyranny and corruption. We seek to move this Nation from a state of perpetual warfare to a state of prolonged peace and prosperity.

In pursuit of our mission we have initially chosen to present evidence exposing the deception and lies that many in the military/intelligence/industrial/media establishment have been telling Americans and the world since September 11, 2001 concerning the events of that tragic day. Our mission includes seeking, discovering, and presenting evidence revealing the truth about the events of 9/11." http://www.v911t.org"

 

[ax1]

Here are just a few of the 1,300+ engineers

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"Richard Gage, AIA, Architect – Member, American Institute of Architects. A practicing Architect for 20 years who has worked on most types of building construction including numerous fire-proofed steel-framed buildings. Founding member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

* Speech at Sonoma State University 4/20/07:

"Another 2006 poll by Scripps Howard, Ohio University, which found that a shocking 16% believe that the World Trade Center's Twin Towers were brought down by explosives. Unfortunately, my research has also concluded that this is true. Tonight I will present to you the very clear evidence that all three World Trade Center high-rise buildings, the Twin Towers and Building 7 were destroyed not by fire as our government has told us, but by controlled demolition with explosives." Invalid Link Removed


* Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,300 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Invalid Link Removed


* Founding Member, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "We are a non-partisan association of Architects, Engineers, and affiliates, who are dedicated to exposing the falsehoods and to revealing truths about the 'collapses' of the WTC high-rises on 9/11/01."


* Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."





Daniel Barnum

Daniel B. Barnum, FAIA

Daniel B. Barnum, B.Arch, FAIA – Fellow, American Institute of Architects. Over forty years experience in the practice of architecture. Experience covers all aspects of planning, design, construction technology and project management for a wide range of commercial, institutional, religious and residential projects. His projects have been widely published and have received design awards from AIA. Member and former Vice President of AIA Houston and Founder and Chair of the Houston AIA Residential Architecture Committee, Chair of the Urban Design Committee, and Director for Urban Issues.

* Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"I have "known" from day-one that the buildings were imploded and that they could not and would not have collapsed from the damage caused by the airplanes that ran into them." Invalid Link Removed


* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,300 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Invalid Link Removed


* Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.





David Helpern

David Paul Helpern, FAIA

David Paul Helpern, M.Arch, FAIA – Fellow, American Institute of Architects. Founder, Helpern Architects, a leading-edge architectural design firm for educational institutions at all levels, from elementary schools to universities. Clients include a long list of prominent cultural and faith-based organizations, as well as corporate and hospitality-industry clients.

* Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The speed and symmetry of the collapses is not consistent with the damage. A new investigation is needed." Invalid Link Removed


* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,300 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Invalid Link Removed


* Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.





Kevin Kelly

Kevin A. Kelly, FAIA

Kevin A. Kelly, FAIA – Fellow, American Institute of Architects. Co-author of the groundbreaking book "Problem Seeking: An Architectural Programming Primer," which is a standard college textbook in the USA. He brings more than 28 years of experience in the programming field including such projects as the Chrysler Technology Center, Microsoft's recent headquarters expansion, all sports venues for the Atlanta Olympics, and the 1.8 million square foot 3M Research & Development Austin Center.

* Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The Presentation made by Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth at the AIA Convention in San Francisco [May 2009] made a sufficient case that a new investigation into the collapses of the 3 high rise buildings on 9/11/01 would be worthwhile." Invalid Link Removed


* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,300 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Invalid Link Removed


* Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.





Paul Stevenson Oles

Paul Stevenson Oles , FAIA

Paul Stevenson Oles, M.AFAIA – Fellow, American Institute of Architects. For his work in architectural illustration, Paul Stevenson Oles received an AIA Institute Honor in 1983, and was elevated to Fellowship in the Institute in 1989, when it described him as “the dean of architectural illustrators in America.” In 1984 he co-founded the American Society of Architectural Perspectivists (now ASAI). Loeb Fellow Harvard University. Author of Architectural Illustration (1978 ) and Drawing the Future (1988).

* Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"There appear too many unexplained events and unverified circumstances to be satisfied with the official version of the New York building collapses. As unthinkable as it is to suspect the United States government or military of willful complicity in these horrendous acts, it is even more heinous to allow such complicity--if indeed it exists--to remain undiscovered and unpunished. Therefore, a thorough and impartial investigation by an independent, well-funded commission is fully merited." Invalid Link Removed


* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,300 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Invalid Link Removed


* Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse."

 

[AE14]

while we are on the topic of conspiracies, i have never understood how all those japanese planes could have made it to pearl harbor undetected????????????????????????????????????

radar was turned off from most published reports

 

[ax1]

It is hard to explain it to people who have not lived through it.

This guy really did live through it.

9/11 Truth: NYPD first responder speaks out

 

[thebigt]

radar was turned off from most published reports

hmmm, there seems to be a resounding theme here- coincidence?

 

[JCunningham]

BULL****... I have cleaned up terrorist bombings, helo crashes etc... you have a gross misrepresentation of a scene and your disgusting portrayal of what you believe is an insult.

You know damn well eye witness accounts are about as useful as pockets on a jock strap.

For ****s sake, you see something on youtube and all of a sudden you are an expert. I have watched people disintegrate into a fine mist with nothing left behind, i have seen Helos turn into a small pile of rubble, but since you seen video evidence...

Would you like me to post up pics and videos of plane crashes..
Because I will to prove my point..

There is a big ****ing difference between a helo crash and an commercial airline crash.. And you cant compare a bombing to a plane crash either..
Never considered myself an expert.. And you dont know what I do for a living LMAO.. Nor will you know..

 

[DAdams91982]

I do not kid myself into believing i can change a conspiracy theorist mind. The great thing about this whole debate is that in the end... the history books will read that I am right.

I can dig up thousands of people that believe Obama was born elsewhere... does that make them right, or just loons? I choose to believe the latter.

Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts
That's a great read.

 

[DAdams91982]

Would you like me to post up pics and videos of plane crashes..
Because I will to prove my point..

There is a big ****ing difference between a helo crash and an commercial airline crash.. And you cant compare a bombing to a plane crash either..
Never considered myself an expert.. And you dont know what I do for a living LMAO.. Nor will you know..

Does that feel good posting that from momma's basement all warm and cozy?

You have no clue about anything. You prove that time and time again every time you hit the submit reply button.

I seen teh plane crashez on teh intertubez...I is expert.

And BTW... jsut by the laws a physics, the amount of fuel carried, a helo crash would be must less than plane crash, but yet, it isn't. Guess you seen that one in Call of Duty huh?

 

[JCunningham]

I want to see an un biased view on 9/11..
Something that there isnt..
Everyone is biased..

 

[JCunningham]

Does that feel good posting that from momma's basement all warm and cozy?

You have no clue about anything. You prove that time and time again every time you hit the submit reply button.

I seen teh plane crashez on teh intertubez...I is expert.

And BTW... jsut by the laws a physics, the amount of fuel carried, a helo crash would be must less than plane crash, but yet, it isn't. Guess you seen that one in Call of Duty huh?

Yes I live in my Mom's basement.
I am an expert on all conspiracies and life itself.
In fact I made first contact last night.
I play call of duty religiously.

Again, I have no clue.. So I shall assume you do.
You must forgive my stupid rants as you seem like a Christian man...

LMAO..
Good day to you to friend!

 

[ax1]

I do not kid myself into believing i can change a conspiracy theorist mind. The great thing about this whole debate is that in the end... the history books will read that I am right.

I can dig up thousands of people that believe Obama was born elsewhere... does that make them right, or just loons? I choose to believe the latter.

Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts
That's a great read.

What about the Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials who think you are wrong?

Did you feel the same way about the Gulf of Tonkin "conspiracy theorists" over all the years until the government officially declassified it in 2005?

 

[thebigt]

I do not kid myself into believing i can change a conspiracy theorist mind. The great thing about this whole debate is that in the end... the history books will read that I am right.

I can dig up thousands of people that believe Obama was born elsewhere... does that make them right, or just loons? I choose to believe the latter.

Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts
That's a great read.

there is an old saying 'history is wrote by the victors'. going all the way back to pharaoh's of egypt history has been distorted to make the rulers look better.


i am sure the history books in iraq 50 years from now will tell a much different story than what we will read.


history books are not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

 

[ax1]

history books are not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Yes, and the history book in this case is the 9/11 commission report where they fail to even mention WTC 7, although it claims to be a "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks."

The government doesnt even release a official statement on it until 11/20/08, 7 years later which is considered the "final report" found here Invalid Link Removed

They claim it was fires, although "the 9/11 truth debunkers" claim it was rubble knocking the main support beam which caused the entire building to pulverize in less than 7 seconds and was enough to match a controlled demolitions job which takes at least several weeks of preparation to pull off.

 

[ax1]

history books are not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

do you have kids? are they teaching them how we lost some 60,000 americans in vietnam, a war which the government admitted was started over a staged event?

 

[AE14]

do you have kids? are they teaching them how we lost some 60,000 americans in vietnam, a war which the government admitted was started over a staged event?

I am a history teacher, and have been for almost a decade. Things that you are mentioning are taught, but were not for years prior. In terms of 9-11, conspiracies are not mentioned by the teachers I know, as the classroom is not the place for it imo.

 

[ntornado]

ax1, I remember seeing in one of the documentaries out there that a few weeks before 9/11 there was some maintenance done over a weekend and the documentary was suggesting that this is when the building was prepared for the demolition. Do you have any more information on this as I can't remember the full details.

I know the same documentary also said the buildings were so riddled with asbestos that it was better off torn down anyway.

 

[DAdams91982]

What about the Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials who think you are wrong?

Did you feel the same way about the Gulf of Tonkin "conspiracy theorists" over all the years until the government officially declassified it in 2005?

I love how you have selective understanding here. You are acting like any form of person isn't able to be persuaded. Regardless of stature, place in life, anyone can be persuaded. The Nazi's were persuaded to kill enmass, does that make them right about the matter?

Do you believe there are not Military, intell (Hell I was both of them), Law, and Government officials that say the opposite?

The thing you fail to point out is that conspiracy theories gives birth to small collectives that congregate to attempt to breed their theories into fact.

Again, History will not tell the tall tale of this super conspiracy. I never rattled on to deny any atrocities that America has committed. Terrorists attempt to destroy from the inside, which after they attacked, America was unified for a short time, then polarized even further, terror comes from fear... and this polarizing attempt breeds more fear for a ghost.

I agree with AE, these fear mongering conspiracies are no place for the classroom.

 

[ax1]

I do not follow conspiracy theories...thats just an easy way to blow me off as an intellect. I post evidence, not theory. Its the same way in china how they blow off intellects since the takeover of communists by labeling them as "anti-revolutionaries" or simply "mentally-ill"

Its not selective understanding......its what I knew for years, and the overwhelming evidence and support from reputable military and engineers is helping me confirm that something is being covered up. The support from reputable American Generals, and Engineers is growing.

If they really had something to hide, why would they hold 2TB (2001 low quality, there are thousands of hours of vidoe's/audio being held) worth of videos from the american public? Video's are slowly being released due to the 9/11 truth movement fighting for its release using the freedom of information act, but this is just a trickle, but the little being released is revealing much more. What is there to hide here? Why did we have to fight a decade just to get a small amount of revealing video's released?

The Nazi's persuaded support from their own people by bombing their own capital building the Reichstag.

quote:
"The building caught fire on 27 February 1933, under circumstances still not entirely clear (see Reichstag fire). This proved to be a valuable excuse for the Nazis to suspend most rights provided for by the 1919 constitution in the Reichstag Fire Decree in an effort to weed out the communists and increase state security throughout Germany."

Now we have 9/11 and then we have the Patriot act, Invalid Link Removed

It really sounds like history repeating itself, doesnt it.

 

[DAdams91982]

I do not follow conspiracy theories...thats just an easy way to blow me off as an intellect. I post evidence, not theory.

Its not selective understanding......its what I knew for years, and the overwhelming evidence and support from reputable military and engineers is helping me confirm that something is being covered up. The support from reputable American Generals, and Engineers is growing.

If they really had something to hide, why would they hold 2TB (2001 low quality, there are thousands of hours of vidoe's/audio being held) worth of videos from the american public? Video's are slowly being released due to the 9/11 truth movement fighting for its release using the freedom of information act, but this is just a trickle, but the little being released is revealing much more. What is there to hide here? Why did we have to fight a decade just to get a small amount of revealing video's released?

The Nazi's persuaded support from their own people by bombing their own capital building the Reichstag.

"The building caught fire on 27 February 1933, under circumstances still not entirely clear (see Reichstag fire). This proved to be a valuable excuse for the Nazis to suspend most rights provided for by the 1919 constitution in the Reichstag Fire Decree in an effort to weed out the communists and increase state security throughout Germany."

Now we have 9/11 and then we have the Patriot act, Invalid Link Removed

It really sounds like history repeating itself, doesnt it.

This is the problem... the people who know the truth feel no need to congregate and stand up to the "Truthers" because they have the truth on their side.

I have provided you with evidence of how and why the WTC 7 building fell, but you choose to go back to your conspiracy site and copy and paste page after page instead of refuting anything I have provided.

Like I said, the conspiracy group can keep on growing and keep on growing, that is your right.... (Wait, arent you in some asian country with less than half the rights?)... America will not remember the lunatic theories set forth... Instead 911 will be remembered as an abhorrent attack from Islamic Extremest in response to our inalienable freedoms we enjoy.

 

[DAdams91982]

The Nazi's persuaded support from their own people by bombing their own capital building the Reichstag.

quote:
"The building caught fire on 27 February 1933, under circumstances still not entirely clear (see Reichstag fire). This proved to be a valuable excuse for the Nazis to suspend most rights provided for by the 1919 constitution in the Reichstag Fire Decree in an effort to weed out the communists and increase state security throughout Germany."

Now we have 9/11 and then we have the Patriot act, Invalid Link Removed

It really sounds like history repeating itself, doesnt it.

And this one takes the cake. You have a gross misrepresentation of how Nazi Germany was able to garner support if you think it was because of this. If you believe it was a burning building instead of the economic woes post WWI being contested by Adolph Hitler, then we just should end our discussion here.

This kind of proves my point, those who choose to see something that isn't there will attempt to validate their stance with incongruous facts.

 

[ax1]

ax1, I remember seeing in one of the documentaries out there that a few weeks before 9/11 there was some maintenance done over a weekend and the documentary was suggesting that this is when the building was prepared for the demolition. Do you have any more information on this as I can't remember the full details.

I know the same documentary also said the buildings were so riddled with asbestos that it was better off torn down anyway.

George Bush's youngest brother "Marvin Bush" took over as board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center.

There was Thermite found in the WTC dust discovered by a team of 9 scientists. Thermite is used for controlled demolition, its painted on metal and allows metal to melt in fire by superheating it. You have to look it up to understand how it works in better detail that I am explaining.

Invalid Link Removed

WTC 7 obvious controlled demolition took weeks and possibly months to prepare. They blew out the central column so the entire building caves in on itself not to damage the surrounding buildings.

As you can see the in the videos, you can clearly see a line of bombs going off on the right side of the building as well.



In this newly released video (after fighting to get it) you can hear an explosion at the 11 second mark right before demolition.

Keep in mind it takes time for sound to travel and you can hear it right before you see the penthouse on the roof collapse.



here is Larry Silverstein the owner of the WTC center admitting to give the order to "pull" the building on 9/11 which is code word for demolition.



The fact is it is impossible that the rubble blew out the central column and made the whole building pulverized to the ground. Rubble only damaged the building partially in the exterior and most of the fire was out prior to collapse. It is the only steel structure building in history to collapse do to a fire (according to official government report)

 

[ax1]

And this one takes the cake. You have a gross misrepresentation of how Nazi Germany was able to garner support if you think it was because of this. If you believe it was a burning building instead of the economic woes post WWI being contested by Adolph Hitler, then we just should end our discussion here.

This kind of proves my point, those who choose to see something that isn't there will attempt to validate their stance with incongruous facts.

There is more than just a burning of the building, but thats how Nazi's initially gained power over the communists, by blaming them for the terrorist act.

I dont understand what point you proved? Your picking a small post of mine, I wasnt going to give a whole history lesson on Germany.

They also bombed their own military base and blamed it on poland to win support to invade them.

 

[DAdams91982]

Haha.. I do love that whole pull arguement. Considering the context it was used. The guy does not work in demolition, was talking to firefighters that do not use that term, but yet he meant to blow the building.

Pulling crap outta thin air. Dr. Asif Usmani wrote a paper about the fire and steel structures, and he continues to the be the lead mind.

 

[ax1]

Haha.. I do love that whole pull arguement. Considering the context it was used. The guy does not work in demolition, was talking to firefighters that do not use that term, but yet he meant to blow the building.

Pulling crap outta thin air. Dr. Asif Usmani wrote a paper about the fire and steel structures, and he continues to the be the lead mind.

I posted official statements by engineers, and can start posting documented evidence by them, there are 1,300+ engineers that disagree with you,

Here is the official Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth website
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and remember

quote from the engineers official website:

"1) The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7

It is commonly known that the Twin Towers fell on 9/11, but did you know that a third World Trade Center high-rise building also fell that day? WTC Building 7, a 47-story steel-framed skyscraper located one block from the Twin Towers was not hit by any plane, but collapsed at 5:20 that evening, imploding in the exact manner of a professionally engineered demolition. It fell suddenly, straight down, at near freefall speed, and landed in a compact pile of rubble, barely damaging any of the surrounding buildings. These are but a few of eleven characteristics of Building 7's collapse that are consistent only with controlled demolitions. Further, the leaseholder of the three buildings, Larry Silverstein, said in 2002 on PBS that on the afternoon of 9/11 he suggested to the NYC fire department commander that they "pull" WTC 7. "Pull" is an industry term that means "demolish," but it normally takes a team of skilled people many weeks to design and implement large demolitions. Astonishingly, there is no mention of WTC Building 7's remarkable collapse in the 571-page 9/11 Commission Report.

11 REMARKABLE FACTS ABOUT 9/11
WTC Twin Towers and Building 7 were purposefully demolished

2) Fire has never — prior to or after 9/11 — caused any steel frame building to collapse. The sudden, vertical, explosive, and total collapse of the Twin Towers at near freefall speed can only be explained by controlled demolition.

3) The WTC steel, which if fully examined could have relvealed the effects of explosives, was quickly shipped overseas and melted down. This was an unprecedented violation of federal crime scene laws.
WTC Steel was cut and melted with Thermate in a Controlled Demolition
Where was the U.S. Air Force on 9/11?

4) Whenever contact is lost with any airplane, fighter jets routinely take to the air to investigate. This commonly occurs about 100 times per year in well under 20 minutes. But on 9/11 nearly two hours passed without any interception.

5) The Secret Service broke established protocols by allowing President Bush to remain in a well-publicized classroom "photo op" long after it was known that the U.S. was under attack and he might well have been a target.
pResident Gov. George Bush Secret Service Stand Down
United Airlines and American Airlines Stock Market Put Options

6) Unidentified insiders made millions on the stocks of American and United Airlines and those of other corporations that were likewise impacted by the attacks. These "put option" bets were made just prior to 9/11.

7) There were warnings of the impending attacks from at least eleven other countries. Also prior to 9/11, insiders such as John Ashcroft, top military officers, and San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown were warned not to fly.
Some were warned to not fly on 9/11
PNAC -- Project for the New American Century -- A New Pearl Harbor

8) In September of 2000, a group of neocon hawks, many of whom would become key officials in the Bush administration, wrote that their proposed massive military buildup would proceed slowly "absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor."

9) Some of the alleged 9/11 "suicide hijackers" are still alive and well, according to the BBC and The Guardian. At least five of the alleged hijackers may have trained at U.S. military bases, as reported in Newsweek and other sources.
The 9/11 Hijacker Patsies
The 9/11 Commission Report was a whitewash and a cover-up

10) The Bush administration resisted the formation of the 9/11 Commission for 441 days. Similar investigations, such as those for Pearl Harbor, the JFK assassination, and the space shuttle disasters, all started in about one week.

11) "The Jersey Girls" — four courageous 9/11 widows — finally forced the 9/11 Commission into existence and presented many questions, most of which were ignored. Under the leadership of Bush administration insider Philip Zelikow, the final report failed to address any of the evidence pointing to official complicity.
The Jersey Girls
Demand Truth and Justice!

There are hundreds of additional facts that contradict the official story of 9/11. It is time for a truly independent investigation that addresses all the questions asked by the citizens' 9/11 Truth & Justice Movement! You can help bring this about by educating yourself and others about 9/11. Go to Invalid Link Removed to learn more about these 11 facts, discover many others, and read about the many prominent authorities who support this movement. To find recommended books, magazines, and DVD's, and to obtain more of these cards, go to Invalid Link Removed."

 

[DAdams91982]

Like I said earlier, i do not pretend that I will change your mind and you will keep on spewing incongruous information from a communist state.

Just luckily your words will drift away in cyberspace eventually and the books will read different.