Sarm S4

hugeswole said:
I just wanted to write a follow up on my experience with this product.

I finished my cycle a few days ago and have noticed some shut down. No bloodwork, but you can tell when your stuff doesn't work right that your levels are off. I'm not sure how bad it is going to be, I am hoping for a quick recovery period.

I really sort of expected this would happen. I saw some great gains from SARMS and really you can't expect a product to work this well and have no effect at all when you stop taking it.

Anyway running the Nolva/Clomid and hoping that my gf doesn't notice before I get back to normal.
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Is it serious testicular atrophy, loss of libido?? Keep us posted. What were you dosing this at?
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I just started Sarm s-4 from SS. I've been on it for four days and I love it. I noticed the endurance and the pump from my workout last night. However, I'm kind of experimenting with stacking it with epistane and furaguno. I've been on the ph/ds cycle for two and half weeks before hitting the sarms. But, I've noticed a huge difference in my workout when stacking this stuff. I didn't want to leave the gym last night. I just felt like I could do more weight than usual last night. Besides the vision problems, I'm also worried about injuring myself cause of the burst of energy and aggression it produces almost immediately after administration.
 
I've been taking S4 for about 4 months. Vision is the only bad side effect. No shutdown and no loss of libido. My experience was very positive.
 
RichTan said:
I've been taking S4 for about 4 months. Vision is the only bad side effect. No shutdown and no loss of libido. My experience was very positive.
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Rich,
I have a few questions and I hope you dont mind me asking, but I want to know the following:

1. Your age
2. Weight
3. Training experience
4. Goals for sarm cycle
5. End result from sarm cycle i.e. weight, strength, mood, cognitive effects, increase in LBM, decrease (or not) in BF%.

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Are there of any logs of people doing a pulse with regular AAS on the "on" days, and a SARM on the "off" days?

This could mitigate the problems with both compounds:

For AAS -- HPTA shutdown, liver stress, blood lipids, blood pressure, etc.
For SARM S4 -- vision problems.

Let's say I did a Sat/Sun/Wed "on" (I work out heavy on weekends)
Mon/Tues/Thu/Fri "off"

With something like 40mg epi / 600mg 11oxo for the "on" days... and 50mg SARM S4 on the off days. Maybe 10mg Nolva on the off days to ensure good HPTA recovery.
 
chim_chim said:
Are there of any logs of people doing a pulse with regular AAS on the "on" days, and a SARM on the "off" days?

This could mitigate the problems with both compounds:

For AAS -- HPTA shutdown, liver stress, blood lipids, blood pressure, etc.
For SARM S4 -- vision problems.

Let's say I did a Sat/Sun/Wed "on" (I work out heavy on weekends)
Mon/Tues/Thu/Fri "off"

With something like 40mg epi / 600mg 11oxo for the "on" days... and 50mg SARM S4 on the off days. Maybe 10mg Nolva on the off days to ensure good HPTA recovery.
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Problem is that the Epi is going to shut you down even if you take days off.

The sarms is not going to shut you down at all, and will give you more pop than the epi and will not require PCT.

I would run 4 weeks of sarms, 4 weeks of epi and then follow with 4 weeks of sarms. Bad ass cycle.
 
Epi is a very popular choice for pulsing. It has a short half-life. Yes, it will shut you down, but the idea with pulsing is that your HPTA stays very sensitive because of the short "on" durations, and you bounce right back. Dr.D even said that you can go above baseline testosterone on the second day off.
 
My age: 62
Weight: 190
Training: Aerobic 3mi @ 6.5mi/hr eod weights about 110lbs on machines eod
Goals: Hmmm... more muscle ... less fat ... nothing specific
Results: More muscle... less fat

I am using 50-100 daily dropper units for 3 weeks/month just before workout
My libido was never a problem; however, I just started HCG to boost Test for mood and more muscle...less fat.

My libido may have increased somewhat as a result of HCG; however, that isn't the primary reason for my taking it. If you need a quick libido boost try MelanotanII.
 
A quick followup -- I've been doing the alternating every two days approach as I described above for a week, and there are no apparent vision sides at 75-100mg/day of S4 for 2 days on/2 days off.
 
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Whacked said:
Thanks Junk. Appreciate it. Fair question.... do you have any affiliation with any of these SARMS companies? No disrespect intened at all.
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Thanks JYD
 
So, far, I've been on it for 12 days and yet to exprience any vision problems. However, I did start bilberry like day one of using SARMs. Does anyone know how many drops does it take to make a 50 mg. dose? (saying that anyone is using or has used the sarmssearch brand) Oh, and I've been using 50 mg per day.
 
brahmabull said:
So, far, I've been on it for 12 days and yet to exprience any vision problems. However, I did start bilberry like day one of using SARMs. Does anyone know how many drops does it take to make a 50 mg. dose? (saying that anyone is using or has used the sarmssearch brand) Oh, and I've been using 50 mg per day.
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the Sarms Search brand is 100mgs per ML. The dropper is one full ML.

So half a dropper is 50mgs

I like to do a quarter of the dropper twice daily.

Hope that helps.
 
Y'know, I just jinxed myself. Freakin' vision problems started happening at on Day 13. I feel like such a fool telling you guys I had no problems with my eyes since taking this stuff. When I go from a light setting to a really dark setting, I start to see flashes whenever I bllink. The worst time with light happened when I was pulled over for a speeding ticket last night and the cop was pointing a flashlight right in my face. Also, his spotlight was right in my rear view mirror so everytime I looked up at it, it was messing with my eyes as well. I kept driving on my way home and I s*** you not, the green lights on the stop lights were yellow! The only way I knew it was green was if I squinted my eyes and concentrated on the surrounding aura around the light rather than the light itself. Man, that sucked! I may have to up my dose on my bilberry or just take it on workout days. I don't know. But, I love the results I'm getting from it cause it finally started to really kick in around day 13/14.
 
brahmabull said:
Y'know, I just jinxed myself. Freakin' vision problems started happening at on Day 13. I feel like such a fool telling you guys I had no problems with my eyes since taking this stuff. When I go from a light setting to a really dark setting, I start to see flashes whenever I bllink. The worst time with light happened when I was pulled over for a speeding ticket last night and the cop was pointing a flashlight right in my face. Also, his spotlight was right in my rear view mirror so everytime I looked up at it, it was messing with my eyes as well. I kept driving on my way home and I s*** you not, the green lights on the stop lights were yellow! The only way I knew it was green was if I squinted my eyes and concentrated on the surrounding aura around the light rather than the light itself. Man, that sucked! I may have to up my dose on my bilberry or just take it on workout days. I don't know. But, I love the results I'm getting from it cause it finally started to really kick in around day 13/14.
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5 on 2 off, you will have no issues.

Vinson sides don't bother me, It tells me the product is real.
 
OnTheRoadTo said:
No vision sides, more anabolic, more expensive. 5mg active dose.
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actually there are some mild vision sides with the Osta, blurred as apposed to the yellow tint. It will put on slightly more weight, but it doesn't burn as much fat and have the hardening effect that the s4 has. To be honest, they would make a really good stack. If I had to pick one, im going to roll with the sarms s4 at this point. I prefer the lean, "beach body" look.
 
Is there a general dosing consensus yet? 50mg/day for a month, 5 on 2 off?

Also, I have seen mixed reports on andarines effects on joints. Any comments from experienced users?
 
I've decided not to use this while on cycle. I used this in conjunction with epistane and furaguno and felt it actually messed my cycle up rather than help it. But, I did just finish my PCT while using SARMS and got better results using it without an anabolic on board. I didn't notice any difference at all when I stacked it with the prohormones. But, I definitely could tell a difference in my PCT when I used it without other anabolics on board.l
 
moondg29 said:
Is there a general dosing consensus yet? 50mg/day for a month, 5 on 2 off?

Also, I have seen mixed reports on andarines effects on joints. Any comments from experienced users?
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Great on joints..and actually has some healing properties on injuries and suck..similar to HGH

50mg ed seems to be the sweet spot...5 on 2 off if the vision sides bother you.
 
Hey Sorry this took so long. Shutdown was bad but not awful.

Loss of Libido and 0 energy. No testicular atrophy. My shutdown from some PH's was much worse.

I did run a full pct nolva/clomid which I am sure helped.

Will probably use this product again, not for quite as long though. I gained about 5 lbs (175-180) of lean muscle and have kept it all. Def changed my proportions, still lean but just a larger version!
 
junkyarddogzz said:
actually there are some mild vision sides with the Osta, blurred as apposed to the yellow tint. It will put on slightly more weight, but it doesn't burn as much fat and have the hardening effect that the s4 has. To be honest, they would make a really good stack. If I had to pick one, im going to roll with the sarms s4 at this point. I prefer the lean, "beach body" look.
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Source of info? There were no vision sides in clinical trials. If there are with the use of the RC, then I would doubt that you are using Ostarine. If this stuff is so new, how are you so certain of the comparisons you're making?
 
Bionic said:
Source of info? There were no vision sides in clinical trials. If there are with the use of the RC, then I would doubt that you are using Ostarine. If this stuff is so new, how are you so certain of the comparisons you're making?
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yes, its not the tinted vision sides of s4, its a bit of blurred vision. I have been on the osta(there are a handful of people on it) at 3mgs for 2 weeks, interesting compound, but s4 seems much stronger.

Im going to stack them both at some point
 
How much is 50(mgs)=to(ml) in an regular oral sirynge? i think the original dropper sucks!!!
Any help will be great :)
On another forum somebody mention that s4 can cause birth defects WTF!!! I HOPE ITS NOT TRU???
 
Ostarine needs to be dosed at least 10mg daily, 15mg to 25mg would be ideal but I'd start at 10mg once daily since its half life is of 24 hours.
In one of the studies subjects gained about 4lbs in 3 months without diet or exercise and these were elderly people so IMO for our purposes we may need more than just 3mgs as is the case when you compare HRT clinical dosages against the dosages we would use which are a lot higher.

Below is a quote from the study:

Clinical development (GTx, Inc.)
OstarineTM is an aryl propionamide SARM and the most advanced clinical candidate. OstarineTM demonstrated exciting data in an initial proof-of-concept Phase IIa clinical trial. GTx, Inc. reported in December 2006 the results of this clinical trial, which was a double blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial in sixty elderly men and sixty postmenopausal women [Dalton, 2007a; Dalton, 2007b]. Without a prescribed diet or exercise regimen, all subjects treated with OstarineTM had a dose-dependent increase in total LBM, with the 3 mg/day cohort achieving an increase of 1.3 kg compared to baseline and 1.4 kg compared to placebo after 3 months of treatment. Treatment with OstarineTM also resulted in a dose-dependent improvement in functional performance measured by a stair climb test, with the 3 mg/day cohort achieving clinically significant improvement in speed and power. Interestingly, subjects treated with 3 mg/d of OstarineTM had on average an 11% decline in fasting blood glucose, a 17% reduction in insulin levels, and a 27% reduction in insulin resistance (homeostasis model assessment) as compared to baseline, suggesting that sarms might have therapeutic potential in diabetics or people at risk for diabetes. Phase I clinical studies with OstarineTM showed that it was rapidly absorbed after oral administration with a half-life of about 1 day (unpublished data).

Here is the link for the complete report:
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Maradona: S4 is NOT Ostarine.

Two different animals.

I think the Ostarine is out or soon to be released by gray area companies. It is S4 that is being referred with regard to SARMS and SARMS feedback in this thread (although they are BOTH SARMS).
 
Sorry. I don't know him and meant no disrespect. Was just commenting on his post. ;)
 
Whacked said:
Maradona: S4 is NOT Ostarine.

Two different animals.

I think the Ostarine is out or soon to be released by gray area companies. It is S4 that is being referred with regard to SARMS and SARMS feedback in this thread (although they are BOTH SARMS).
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I never thought they were both the same.

S-4 = Andarine
MK-2866 = Ostarine
 
That's what I though too. I heard sarms search will start selling Ostarine this week, I have had good luck with their products. No idea if that is true though, just a rumor.
 
hugeswole said:
That's what I though too. I heard sarms search will start selling Ostarine this week, I have had good luck with their products. No idea if that is true though, just a rumor.
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Its true, I ordered it during the pre-order and it has been added to the site. I love the s4 and the osta-sarms is gonna be fun to "research"!
 
I'm interested to know how your rat's like it. Keep us updated. I was a big fan of the S4 so I'll either run that again or try the ostra.
 
Sure would be nice to get them in caps. The S4 tasted so damn awful, it made me look forward to my Clomd Shots LOL
 
Can you run S4 for 4 weeks and then Ostarine for 4 weeks. Are both products working through the same mechanism of action or would back to back be productive? Through my experience I had great results w/ S4 for 4 weeks then it tapered off. So if I could run these back to back that would be sweet since I had zero shutdown w/ S4.
 
i am on day 7 of sarms s4.. i am running 50mgs, split up in to two doses a day. despite the amount of people that have said you won't get visions probs at 50mg i've got a pretty mean yellow/greenish tint going on the whole time. night vision isn't too bad but if i look directly in to a bright light will take a bit longer for eyes to adjust to darkness and i get more 'flashes' in my vision. doesn't worry me too much, when you've spent almost a week with your entire vision warping and looking cartoonish after a particularly strong acid trip a bit of yellow isn't much for concern, i'm just wondering if i am particularly predisposed to the sides or what..

i started taking it during the first week of PCT for a 6 week diselbolan 2.0 cycle. i feel pretty crap and low on energy/libido but i'm guessing that's just the pct, on the upside i haven't lost any weight or strength from what i've gained on cycle which i was pretty impressed with given i put on about 22-24 pounds. i think the sarms must be helping me hold on to the gains, interested to see if once i finish pct i will have a bit more energy/libido on the sarms or not, hopefully i will cos certainly not feeling great atm.
 
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