T3...Question for those that have USED this.

the #s in that article don't add up, i don't know what to make of it. I believe that your levels normalized quickly, as that is consistent with what I have read.

This is correct... TSH levels normalize to basal levels within weeks of Cytomel cessation; this rule of thumb derived from a multitude of clinical study is only broken with a very small, yet documented, percentile of patients.

There are certain supplements you can implement into your T3 pct to increase the rate-to-normalization if you deem them necessary.
 
This is what I have done - with great success. T3 tends to deplete my glycogen stores and begins to slowly catabolize/metabolize muscle, leading to a systematic erosion of my physique if not mitigated through increased anabolic administration. I should also note, that the muscle fullness depletion was only encountered at heightened levels of Cytomel, revolving around the range of 150-200mcg/day. I am fully aware and accepting of the fact these types of dosages are not necessitated or prudent where health and TSH functions are concerned, but this was during my early experiences with T3 and I was doing self experimentation to locate my personal optimal dosing.

Ideally, you should be considering an anabolic cycle inclusive of Testosterone, Trenbolone, and perhaps Insulin (if you can avoid the frenzied paranoia propagated around the Internet where insulin is concerned).

Best of luck - and hopefully you were able to locate a dependable and reliable legit source for your research chemicals.

Thanks for the help. As far as dependable/reliable....we shall see. The place I used was recommended by more than a few guys I trust. As far as anabolics to run with it, I don`t have what you suggested but I have quite ab few others that I like. As far as cycle dosage, do you run a bulk cycle? Recomp? Cut? Say I was to run M-Drol(just an example), For a bulk I`d run 10/20/20 for 3 weeks. For a recomp I`d run 10/10/10. For a cut I`d run 10/15/20 with a 500 calorie deficit. What would you run in this case? I`ll actually probably run H Drol or Havoc.
 
Thanks for the help. As far as dependable/reliable....we shall see. The place I used was recommended by more than a few guys I trust. As far as anabolics to run with it, I don`t have what you suggested but I have quite ab few others that I like. As far as cycle dosage, do you run a bulk cycle? Recomp? Cut? Say I was to run M-Drol(just an example), For a bulk I`d run 10/20/20 for 3 weeks. For a recomp I`d run 10/10/10. For a cut I`d run 10/15/20 with a 500 calorie deficit. What would you run in this case? I`ll actually probably run H Drol or Havoc.

I'm reticent to offer guidance where AAS/PHs are concerned, because my dosages do not reflect the optimal dosages of most athletes. I am, by and large, a severe non responder to several chemicals. Aside from Test, Tren-A, M1T, and now Superdrol - I have not found anything that imparts dramatic anabolism during my years of experimentation with hormones, analogues, and substrates.

With that being said, to answer your question - I would never dip below 30mg/day regarding Superdrol dosing. Many members will, rightly so, challenge and belittle that suggestion; and I would not disagree with them in the slightest, because they have probably seen results at lower dosages personally. My assertion is to realize maximal gains by using maximal dosing BUT also participating in VERY detailed and consistent ongoing support measures to ensure liver and organ/BP health.
 
the #s in that article don't add up, i don't know what to make of it. I believe that your levels normalized quickly, as that is consistent with what I have read.

I totally agree, it came from a md based website, i believe it but also have read alot of other articles that say otherwise. Like i said i'll try and pull it, but dnt count on it i have quite a busy life style.
 
I wasn't able to find the website, but i did come across this article i thought might be interesting to the ppl who are viewing being that this is an article based on T3 usage.

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I got about an hour left so i'll keep searching for the wesite, but in the mean time here our my test results 2days after i stopped my 6week t3 cycle.
 

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Can I permanently shutdown my Thyroid?


Simply put, NO, it can't happen. Natural thyroid production will be completely shutdown for a good period of time after using T3, but it will eventually recover. Bruce Kneller posted this study on the testosterone website:

N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4
Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy.
Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH.

The pattern of thyrotropin secretion was analyzed in seven euthyroid women, before and after withdrawal of long-term thyroid hormone, by serial measurements of thyroid 131l uptake, serum thyroxine, tri-iodothyronine, and thyrotropin concentrations, and the response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone. During exogenous hormone administration, 131l uptake was suppressed, and serum thyrotropin concentrations before and after administration of thyrotropin-releasing hormone were undetectable.
After withdrawal of exogenous hormone, thyrotropin secretory function was transiently impaired, as indicated by undetectable basal thyrotropin concentrations together with absence of response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone, and subsequently by normal values of basal thyrotropin concentration and normal responses to releasing hormone while serum thyroxine and tri-iodothyronine concentrations were subnormal.
Decreased thyrotropin reserve persisted for two to five weeks. Detectable values of serum thyrotropin (less than 1.2 muU per milliliter) and a normal 131l uptake usually occurred concurrently in two to three weeks. Serum thyroxine concentration returned to normal at least four weeks after hormone withdrawal.

Basically, it is extremely important to eat cleanly and keep up with cardio for at least 4 weeks and up to 6 weeks following a T3 cycle. It's also very important to ramp down properly and not use any drug that have an effect on metabolism and thyroid function, i.e. Clenbuterol, ephedrine, Steroids, dnp - dinitrophenol - , T2…

Calories should be kept in check, even lowered in some cases, and High Intensity Cardio is a must; at least 20mins, 3times a week. L-Tyrosine can be used at 1-3g a day to help thyroid function, but its effectiveness is debatable.

Switching to a higher carb, lower fat and lower Protein diet is crucial in helping your thyroid bounce back after a cycle. A three-day carb up would be a good idea following a T3 cycle. This study demonstrates how important carbohydrates are for normal thyroid function. (Note: Some people seem to think of carbs as Lucky Charms and toast when there are far better carb choices that won't make you look like the Michelin Man.)

Dietary-induced alterations in thyroid hormone metabolism during overnutrition.
Danforth E Jr, Horton ES, O'Connell M, Sims EA, Burger AG, Ingbar SH, Braverman L, Vagenakis AG.

Diet-induced alterations in thyroid hormone concentrations have been found in studies of long-term (7 mo) overfeeding in man (the Vermont Study). In these studies of weight gain in normal weight volunteers, increased calories were required to maintain weight after gain over and above that predicted from their increased size. This was associated with increased concentrations of triiodothyronine (T3). No change in the caloric requirement to maintain weight or concentrations of T3 was found after long-term (3 mo) fat overfeeding. In studies of short-term overfeeding (3 wk) the serum concentrations of T3 and its metabolic clearance were increased, resulting in a marked increase in the production rate of T3 irrespective of the composition of the diet overfed (carbohydrate 29.6 +/- 2.1 to 54.0 +/- 3.3, fat 28.2 +/- 3.7 to 49.1 +/- 3.4, and Protein 31.2 +/- 2.1 to 53.2 +/- 3.7 microgram/d per 70 kg). Thyroxine production was unaltered by overfeeding (93.7 +/- 6.5 vs. 89.2 +/- 4.9 microgram/d per 70 kg). It is still speculative whether these dietary-induced alterations in thyroid hormone metabolism are responsible for the simultaneously increased expenditure of energy in these subjects and therefore might represent an important physiological adaptation in times of caloric affluence. During the weight-maintenance phases of the long-term overfeeding studies, concentrations of T3 were increased when carbohydrate was isocalorically substituted for fat in the diet. In short-term studies the peripheral concentrations of T3 and reverse T3 found during fasting were mimicked in direction, if not in degree, with equal or hypocaloric diets restricted in carbohydrate were fed. It is apparent from these studies that the caloric content as well as the composition of the diet, specifically, the carbohydrate content, can be important factors in regulating the peripheral metabolism of thyroid hormones.

A post cycle crash is inevitable; this is the time when your diet really matters
 
I dont see any muscle loss...im getting stronger in the gym...my weight is about the same and my bf% is lower...so all those things are good

Good to hear. I was thinking of running t3 and test. I was going to ramp up to 100mcg of t3 but maybe will stay at 50 for a few weeks to see how it goes now. I'm not worried about muscle wasting though cause the 1g a week of test should prevent that.lol I ran 150mgs a day of suspension years ago and loved it. I want to eat like a horse and hope the t3 will keep the fat off.
 
I'm reticent to offer guidance where AAS/PHs are concerned, because my dosages do not reflect the optimal dosages of most athletes. I am, by and large, a severe non responder to several chemicals. Aside from Test, Tren-A, M1T, and now Superdrol - I have not found anything that imparts dramatic anabolism during my years of experimentation with hormones, analogues, and substrates.

With that being said, to answer your question - I would never dip below 30mg/day regarding Superdrol dosing. Many members will, rightly so, challenge and belittle that suggestion; and I would not disagree with them in the slightest, because they have probably seen results at lower dosages personally. My assertion is to realize maximal gains by using maximal dosing BUT also participating in VERY detailed and consistent ongoing support measures to ensure liver and organ/BP health.

So in YOUR case you would run a bulk cycle of M Drol while running the T3? My question was what would you run with T3 to save muscle loss as opposed to what you would run as a normal cycle without T3?
 
So in YOUR case you would run a bulk cycle of M Drol while running the T3? My question was what would you run with T3 to save muscle loss as opposed to what you would run as a normal cycle without T3?

I would run Superdrol @ 30mg/day within the context of any stratagem - whether pre contest or off-season mass accrual. I am not prescribing my methods as air tight or a comprehensive sure fire way to continually grow (wish I knew how), I am merely offering my own insight as to what has worked the best for me. I always feel the need to offer that disclaimer, because many athletes, especially those with a lighter body weight or less experienced than me, can probably achieve maximal results with a lower dosage.
 
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