vitamin C postworkout question

From what I understand, ALA recycles Vitamin C in the body, no? ALA seems to have any advantages over Vitamin C, so it seems. I was under the impression ALA aided with the transportation of creatine mono in addition to a sugary, carb-rich drink such as apple juice or grape juice.
 
Dr. Gonzo said:
Post workout, muscle cell insulin sensitivity is very high and there is no need for lipoic acid. I would argue the opposite being more effective, and so does the science. This is why caffeine taken post workout (which induces insulin resistance) actually causes increased nutrient uptake at the muscle cell. It causes whole body IR, but because of the extremely elevated IS at the muscle cell, nutrients are partitioned completely away from the fat cells and directed into the muscle cells, even more so than without the caffeine. And most people are drinking some form of macronutrients during training, which will interfere with the absorption of lipoic acid post workout anyway.

When I have clients use lipoic acid (Na-R-ala), I'll have them use it 15 minutes before their 2nd post workout meal, and if they have any other high carb meals throughout the day, but certainly not post workout.
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Excellent points - great post. I have been an advocate of GDA dosing prior to what I call the 'post-post workout meal,' for some time.

Resistance training elicits such a dramatic flux in IS and the stimulation/realization of acute elevations in other anabolic and lipolytic hormones, I would not only dissuade my clients from nutrient partitioning supplements with their PWO shake/meal, but would argue that it might actually bring about a counterproductive decrease in ultimate gains and glucose/protein replenishment and synthesis.
 
kingdong said:
I don't know if the body can even handle 4g of test. I don't think anyone was implying that anyone on this thread was roided at all, but I bet Dr. Gonzo could elaborate. I liked it because in roids might like different supplements, and we should think about this before we take their advice.
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Depending on your definition of 'handle,' in my opinion (and gained from practical application) no - the body cannot withstand such enormous exogenous hormonal blitzkrieg. In fact, I have never realized an increase in the maximal efficacy once surpassing the 1.5g/week threshold.
 
Dr. Gonzo said:
Post workout, muscle cell insulin sensitivity is very high and there is no need for lipoic acid. I would argue the opposite being more effective, and so does the science. This is why caffeine taken post workout (which induces insulin resistance) actually causes increased nutrient uptake at the muscle cell. It causes whole body IR, but because of the extremely elevated IS at the muscle cell, nutrients are partitioned completely away from the fat cells and directed into the muscle cells, even more so than without the caffeine. And most people are drinking some form of macronutrients during training, which will interfere with the absorption of lipoic acid post workout anyway.

When I have clients use lipoic acid (Na-R-ala), I'll have them use it 15 minutes before their 2nd post workout meal, and if they have any other high carb meals throughout the day, but certainly not post workout.
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The increased post workout nutrient absorption could possibly also be explained by the caffein speeding up gastric emptying, getting nutrients into the blood when insulin sensitivity is at it's highest.
 
Found this pretty interesting, new interview on t-mag with the "Drug Dragon"


The scariest? Quite simply, the doses that are becoming prevalent these days. Insulin nearing 100ius a day, GH nearing 50ius a day, T3 at 200mcg, clenbuterol at 300mcg, trenbelone at 2 g weekly, Testosterone at 5-6g weekly. And all these guys (and sometimes gals!) don't wind up looking any better (and are often worse) than their lower-dosing competition.
 
Dr. Gonzo said:
Found this pretty interesting, new interview on t-mag with the "Drug Dragon"


The scariest? Quite simply, the doses that are becoming prevalent these days. Insulin nearing 100ius a day, GH nearing 50ius a day, T3 at 200mcg, clenbuterol at 300mcg, trenbelone at 2 g weekly, Testosterone at 5-6g weekly. And all these guys (and sometimes gals!) don't wind up looking any better (and are often worse) than their lower-dosing competition.
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That is RIDICULOUS.
 
Dr. Gonzo said:
Found this pretty interesting, new interview on t-mag with the "Drug Dragon"


The scariest? Quite simply, the doses that are becoming prevalent these days. Insulin nearing 100ius a day, GH nearing 50ius a day, T3 at 200mcg, clenbuterol at 300mcg, trenbelone at 2 g weekly, Testosterone at 5-6g weekly. And all these guys (and sometimes gals!) don't wind up looking any better (and are often worse) than their lower-dosing competition.
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I guess that's how body builder Victor Martinez got so huge, despite the fact that he looks like a sissy when training.
 
Dr. Gonzo said:
Found this pretty interesting, new interview on t-mag with the "Drug Dragon"


The scariest? Quite simply, the doses that are becoming prevalent these days. Insulin nearing 100ius a day, GH nearing 50ius a day, T3 at 200mcg, clenbuterol at 300mcg, trenbelone at 2 g weekly, Testosterone at 5-6g weekly. And all these guys (and sometimes gals!) don't wind up looking any better (and are often worse) than their lower-dosing competition.
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I have experimented with 1g/week of Tren Acetate and 2g/week of Testosterone Enanthate... and have to admit it was a dismal failure and the anticipated rewards to be reaped did not manifest in any way; only an obvious incremental increase in side effects were realized.

I truly find it much more manageable to run 600mg Tren-A + 1g maximum dosage of Test-E per week, and came to the very clear conclusion that anything above those levels was wasteful and superfluous.
 
It might come down to managing individual side effects, and/or trying different combinations of drugs. 2g Test cyp/week + 50mg/day dianabol, for example. And if you're worried about liver toxicity of dbol, you have some research to do. Also adding in 50mg clomid/day, etc...there's lots of things to consider when getting into the high doses of AAS.
 
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