Thoughts on 11-oxo or 11-sterone? PCT?
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sluggy
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deadaim
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Haha relax at 300mg your getting barley anyyy shutdown of LH or test.
I would still obey time on = time off, as well as the fact I probably wouldnt run it so low anyway. Expensive stuff tho.
jaydollars
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OTC pct is fine, this compound is super week in regards to shutdown
deadaim
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I think you need to run it higher to cause sufficient supression before you hit PCT.
Otherwise boobies might grow
chim_chim
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to DrAbs --
Following up on deadaim's comment, you are either A) running actives and not recovering, or B) recovering and into PCT.
Your body's testosterone production is mostly shut down once you are into a cycle. When this happens, you need to be taking enough AAS to compensate for the missing natural testosterone AND a substantial amount on top of that (otherwise, there is no point to the cycle). And when you are done with the cycle, you need to get your HPTA back in order as quickly as possible.
The gist of that is that it doesn't make sense to take a middling amount of a weak anabolic to finish off a cycle. You need to think "I am either ON or OFF." 300-375 mg of 11oxo strikes me as an undesirable middle ground, where you are hindering HPTA recovery but also not taking enough to get any kind of gains.
And as deadaim notes, that kind of middle ground also can complicate the estrogenic picture.
This will sound contradictory, but I will add that 11oxo is supposed to have a very short half-life. Patrick Arnold on another forum gave a SWAG of a half-life of a few hours. If you are smart about your dosing, and take it all at once in the morning (so that you are as far away as possible from the sleeping testosterone pulse), then 11oxo might help you to maintain gains as you enter PCT. Low-dose dianabol has been used that way for a long time. But you need to be doing full-blown PCT with a SERM for this to work.
Following up on deadaim's comment, you are either A) running actives and not recovering, or B) recovering and into PCT.
Your body's testosterone production is mostly shut down once you are into a cycle. When this happens, you need to be taking enough AAS to compensate for the missing natural testosterone AND a substantial amount on top of that (otherwise, there is no point to the cycle). And when you are done with the cycle, you need to get your HPTA back in order as quickly as possible.
The gist of that is that it doesn't make sense to take a middling amount of a weak anabolic to finish off a cycle. You need to think "I am either ON or OFF." 300-375 mg of 11oxo strikes me as an undesirable middle ground, where you are hindering HPTA recovery but also not taking enough to get any kind of gains.
And as deadaim notes, that kind of middle ground also can complicate the estrogenic picture.
This will sound contradictory, but I will add that 11oxo is supposed to have a very short half-life. Patrick Arnold on another forum gave a SWAG of a half-life of a few hours. If you are smart about your dosing, and take it all at once in the morning (so that you are as far away as possible from the sleeping testosterone pulse), then 11oxo might help you to maintain gains as you enter PCT. Low-dose dianabol has been used that way for a long time. But you need to be doing full-blown PCT with a SERM for this to work.
Punisher88
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as far as pct is concerned, check out the testosterone recovery stack by primordial performance. Chim Chim is right in every aspect and this stack is one that I used after a dymethezine and finavol (50 mgs of 19 nor) and I was fine. If you're really shut down or want to be extras cautious, personally I suggest researching torem. It's the only serm I'd use if I needed to.