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CEL D-Zine + Dermacrine=?

pansori

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i'm reposting this since i think i put it in the wrong section

so i'm currently into my 4th week of dermacrine and upping my dosage. i'm just starting to feel pretty anabolic so i'm hoping for good things. however, i'm already trying plan out my next cycle with a buddy of mine. i'm pretty new to PH's so i'm wondering if anyone cold offer up any advice. what we're thinking is possibly this:

weeks 1-4: 3pumps dermacrine/day (low dose)
weeks 5-11: CEL d-zine 3pills/day
also then jump back on dermacrine for PCT at 4-5Pumps/day

any advise? i'm basically trying to kick start my cycle with the d-zine after the initial dermacrine. also what other PCT, if any, would you recommend?
 
You could run Derm with it at the same time so that you dont get any of the low-test sides people get while on cycle. I dunno how harsh dzine is so I dont know if you would need something stronger than OTC but you wouldnt want to use derm as a PCT ever Sustain Alpha would be used instead.
 
derm would be great to run with dzine. Start the derm a few week before you jump on the dzine.

if you are on wk 4 atm jump on dzine for 3-4 more weeks stacked with the derm. let the gains being man.
 
Dimethazine would stack great w derm. Especialy since the derm will help keep the immune system up while running dimeth, as it can greatly lower it causing u to get sick on pct an loose your gains
Make sure u use a serm with dimeth. It can be a great compound if
Ran right
Derm + dimmeth for great gains
 
i totally would but i wanna make sure i get my PCT's in order before I start the D-zine and my wallet is pretty empty right now. I'll let you guys know how it goes when i start though.
 
i just started this cycle and am logging it over @ PHF

can't post a link to it but the thread is tittled D-Zine + Dermacrine
 
repost of day 1 from my log @ PHF:




D-Zine + Dermacrine

Starting today i am cycling Dermacrine and CEL D-Zine. PCT will be nolva. i plan on posting daily but we'll see how that goes. Diet Plans are to split 2500-3000 calories 40%protein 40%carbs 20%fats. i'll be eating as clean as possible and monitoring my bodyfat. i would like to stay the same or drop one or two %. If i gain more than a % or so of BF i plan on cutting down the carbs while upping protein. I would like to gain a good 10lbs but we'll see. I'll be lifting on a 4 day split switching up lifts on muscle groups. I'll post my workouts wth eatch update. The attached pictures were taken about a week ago but they'll serve as "Before" pics.



cycle is dosed as follows:

Competitive Edge Labs D-Zine/ Dermacrine stack
prohormone: 2,17-dimethyl-5-androstan-17-ol-3,3'-azine – 15mg

cycle:
week1 - Dermacrine 5 pumps
week2 - Dermacrine 5 pumps; AI cycle support
week3 - Dermacrine 5 pumps; AI cycle support; Dzine 30mg (2caps); Himalaya Liv.52 (8caps); Taurine (7gr); Grape seed extract (60mg); Joint repair
week4 - Dermacrine 5 pumps; AI cycle support; Dzine 30mg (2caps); Himalaya Liv.52 (8caps); Taurine (7gr); Grape seed extract (60mg): Joint repair
week5 - Dermacrine 5 pumps; AI cycle support; Dzine 45mg (3caps) Himalaya Liv.52 (8caps); Taurine (7gr); Grape seed extract (60mg): Joint repair
week6 - Dermacrine 5 pumps; AI cycle support; Dzine 45mg (3caps); Himalaya Liv.52 (8caps); Taurine (7gr); Grape seed extract (60mg): Joint repair

PCT:
week1 - Nolva 30mg; AI cycle support; Himalaya Liv.52 (6caps); Grape seed extract (60mg); Joint repair
week2 - Nolva 20mg; AI cycle support; Himalaya Liv.52 (6caps); testopro (4caps); Grape seed extract (60mg); Joint repair
week3 - Nolva 10mg; AI cycle support; Himalaya Liv.52 (6caps); testopro (4caps); Joint repair
week4 - Nolva 10mg; AI cycle support; Himalaya Liv.52 (6caps); testopro (4caps); Joint repair
week5 - Liv.52 (6caps); testopro (4caps); Joint repair
week6 - Liv.52 (6caps); Joint repair

stats:

5'9"
9.5%BF
165lbs.
Bench 255
Squat 360
Deadlift 350


Today was day 1 of cycle. So far just one application of dermacrine post AM shower. Nothing noticable so far but thats expected. a little more energy, due to increased calories. workout was:

Cardio:
Stair climber: 30min
bike: 12min

Chest:
Dbell Flat Bench: 1x12 65lbs, 3x8 75lbs
Dbell Fly: 4x10 35lbs
Dbell Decline: 1x9 75lbs, 1x7 75lbs, 2x6 75lbs

Tri's:
Cable Pulldowns: 4x10 40lbs
2Hand Dbell behind the head press: 4x8 60lbs
dips: 1x15 (i was beat!)

will post today's Diet macro's on tomorrow's update
 
Day 2, nothing really noticeable yet but i don't expect to feel the dermacrine until next week. can't wait for the D-zine! being off stims is a lil rough for the first 10 min of cardio but after i got my blood pumpin things were fine. i'm up 3 lbs but thats just probably due to increased food intake going into this lean bulk from a cut. workout was:


weight just before lifting was up to 168

Cardio:
Stair climber: 30min

Shoulders:
Side Raises: 5x10 25lbs
Smith machine seated military press: 1x8 153lbs, 2x7 145lbs, 1x4 150lbs
Behind the back standing cbl side raise: 4x12 30lbs, 1x10 40lbs
Standing Cable Rev. Fly: 2x12 30lbs, 1x12 35lbs, 1x12 40lbs
Seated Front Raise: 2x10 25lbs, 2x8 30lbs

i'll be going back and editing yesterday's post to add in the day's diet info. this is how i'll post diet from now on.
 
Day 3

Today was cardio and abs. Still not really feeling anything besides a slight increase in libido but that could just be from not gettin any for a few days lol. Workout was a little tougher with not stims but got through it just fine. I also sweated a little more than usual but today it was real hot out so the gym was prolly a lil hotter than usual. tomorrow is back day and i expect to hopefully start feeling a little something from the dermacrine. weight in the locker room before my workout was 168.8

Workout:

Cardio:
30 min stair climber
20 min exercise bike

Abs:
2x60 Platform stacking russian twist
4xAB Circuit
 
Day 4

Back day. today was pretty rushed as i had to hit the gym before work because my band played later that night. On top of that i took and hour mountain bike ride with the gf before the gym. but i still got some quality lifting time in there somewhere. Sometimes workouts just get me ready to tear **** up in the rest of the day. Still just running the dermacrine...it may have just been placebo but i had a bit more energy; intensity was way up. some of my lifts may have been a bit heavier if i took longer rests but like i said i was rushed. i didn't get to do a last set of deadlifts because i did them last and ran out of time.

Workout:

Cardio:
1hr mountain bike


Back:
T-Bar row: 1x10 100lbs, 1x10 135lbs, 1x8 145lbs, 1x6 155lbs
Bar Row: 1x17 135lbs, 1x6 185lbs, 2x8 185lbs
Hammer Strength Plate Loaded ISO Lat Pull: 1x15 180lbs, 1x10 230lbs, 1x6 270lbs, 1x8 250lbs
Dead Lift: 2x10 225lbs, 1x10 275lbs

Bi's:
Incline Seated Curls (Drop sets): 1x13 30lbs--1x10 25lbs, 3x6 35lbs--3x6 25lbs
Preacher Curls: 1x10 85lbs, 1x5 95lbs, 1x7 90lbs, 1x6 90lbs

Diet:
Total Calories: 2500 Fat: 47.1gr Protein: 284.9gr Carbs: 214gr
 
Today i did cardio/abs. i had to lift after work so i was a little out of it. still managed a pretty good workout though. starting to feel a definite libido boost from the dermacrine. I had previously used dermacrine TD and tried to follow it with sustain alpha. unfortunately the sustain gave me a bad allergic reaction and i broke out in hives and ****. i figured i'd try the TD dermacrine for this cycle since i did fine with it before. i've started to notice a slight rash on my right arm near the elbow. i may switch to the LV (i have a buddy who has some extra laying around) but i'll see how the next few days go first, it might just be heat rash or something.

Workout:
Cardio:
30min stair climber
25min exercise bike

Abs:
Weighted Machine Crunch 10x10 90lbs
Machine lower back ext. 10x10 214lbs


Diet:
Total Calories: 3122 Fat:62gr Protein:344gr Carbs:230gr
 
Day 6



today i lifted legs. before anyone jumps on it, i'm aware of the weak squat. i've been having a little trouble with one of my knees lately....with that said, i felt great today. just got into my workout and the next thing i knew intensity was through the roof and i was soaked in sweat. didn't weigh myself this morning so i'm not sure how much i've picked up. will be sure to do that tomorrow though.

Workout:
Cardio:
13 min warm up on exercise bike

Legs:
Squat: 1x10 225lbs, 1x7 245lbs, 2x6 245lbs
Stiffleg Deadlift: 4x15 145lbs
Hack Squat (sled): 1x10 270lbs, 1x10 320lbs, 1x10 340lbs, 1x9 360lbs
Hip Abduction: 4x10 80lbs
Hip Adduction: 2x10 80lbs, 2x10 90lbs
Leg Ext: 1x10 170lbs, 1x10 180lbs, 1x12 210lbs, 1x10 230
Seated Leg Curl: 1x15 110lbs, 3x10 130lbs
 
Day 7

Today was a clean-up day, i decided to do some cardio (i cut back on it as per forum brah's) and lift traps and calfs since i couldn't get to them on my shoulder and leg days. i had to hit the gym a bit earlier than usual so i kinda felt out of it. i kinda felt like i did right before my carb up days on Keto, when all my glycogen was spent. Still managed a decent workout that left my traps nice and sore. my calfs weren't really too sore but sometimes i have a hard time getting them sore. I'm up to 171 so thats a 6 lbs gain so far.

Workout:

Cardio:
5 min warm up walk, 20 min run on Treadmill

Traps:
Cambered Bar Seated Shrug: 1x20 225lbs, 2x11 275lbs, 1x15 275lbs
1 Arm Smith Shrug: 2x30 135lbs, 2x15 185lbs
In Front Smith Shrug: 1x30 185lbs, 1x30 225lbs, 1x15 255lbs, 1x15 275lbs

Calves:
Seated Calve Raise: 3x20 135lbs, 1x15 175lbs
Donkey Calve Raise: 2x30 240lbs, 2x20 310lbs

Diet:
Total Calories: 2601 Fat:48.6gr Protein:294 Carbs:244
 
Day 8

today was my birthday so i decided to take an "off" day. I didn't count calories but did eat a whole bunch, including a sweet-ass steamed crab lunch (Maryland pride mother ****ers!). My family took me out on our boat so i got a good hour of swimming in, thats about it. Felt great. Can start to feel the Dermacrine Kicking in, can't ****ing wait to start the D-zine! i'll be starting to pre-load all of my supports this week.
 
Day 9

Today was shoulder day and i felt like a beast. I started my workout with a good run that really got my blood flowing. From there i moved on to the weight room and my intensity was way up. i was drenched in sweat through my whole workout and i kept noticing that i was getting "What the hell is he on?" looks from other doodz in the gym. Needless to say the dermacrine is definitely kicking in. My recovery is way up as well. I can't wait for next week to start the D-zine and really train like a monster! I weighed in at 168 this morning on an empty stomach (that's 7 lbs up from what i weighed on an empty stomach when i started the cycle!) some of my strength was up, military press was down a little but i was working without a spotter today so take that for what it's worth.

Workout:

Cardio:
15min run on treadmill pre W/O
15min stationary bike post W/O


Shoulders:
D.Bell Side Raise: 5x10 30lbs
Smith Seated Military Press: 1x7 135lbs, 2x6 135lbs, 1x5 135lbs
Rev. Pec. Deck: 1x10 110lbs, 1x10 120lbs, 2x9 130lbs
Behind Cable Side Raise: 1x10 35lbs, 1x8 35lbs, 1x10 30lbs, 1x10 30lbs
Front Raise: 1x10 30lbs, 3x10 25lbs

Diet:
Total Calories: 2618 Fat:52.5gr Protein: 281gr Carbs: 227gr
 
Day 10

yesterday was chest day. I can definitely feel the full effects of the dermacrine now. Although my lifts were a bit down (thats the last time I'll lift shoulders the day before chest!) my intensity was still up. in fact, my buddy who i usually lift chest with couldn't keep up! today i'm pretty sore in both my chest and tri's so the next few days should be a good indicator of my recovery. i fell asleep eary so i didn't get my last couple hundred calories in, i'm pretty pissed about that....


Workout:

Cardio (post-workout):
Stair climber: 15 min
Treadmill: 10 min run

Chest:
Barbell Flat Bench: 1x18 135lbs, 1x4 185lbs, 1x6 185lbs, 1x6 185lbs
Barbell Incline Bench: 1x5 135lbs, 1x6 135lbs, 1x6 135lbs, 1x10 115lbs
Low Cable Fly: 1x12 40lbs, 1x10 40lbs, 1x10 40lbs, 1x10 40lbs

Tri's:
Skull Crushers: 1x15 50lbs, 1x10 60lbs, 1x9 60lbs, 1x7 60lbs
2 Hand Behind Head D.Bell Press: 1x6 60lbs, 1x9 60lbs, 1x7 60lbs, 1x10 60lbs
Dips: 1x12 BW, 1x11 BW, 1x10 BW, 1x9 BW

Diet:
Total Calories: 2373 Fat: 50.9gr Protein: 260gr Carbs: 206.4gr
 
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