San Diego Zoo + Evolution

HereToStudy said:
This thread needs to die, it will never be settled. The fact of the matter is religion is theory and man created. Even the books were written by man. Science can have the same argument, it is theory and man created, however it at least uses some form of rational thought besides "just because" or "it is."

Religion has caused war, hatred, murder, govermental corruption, and caused people to make choices they wouldn't have otherwise because they believe it is the will of God.

Even if a God existed, remember your God is not the only god that people believe in or have for a long time, the world would be a better place ignoring him. Instead the opium of the masses has created a business model.

Also, if you are going to pray for anything, please pray for the children molested by these "people of christ," and I'll pray to science that your current pope doesn't pass the survival of the fittest test, since he isnt man enough to do something about this.
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it is a sad state of affairs when you realize that last part of this. However, throughout recent history the catholic church has been involved in some horrible things, even outside of the molestation issue. Odessa....anyone?
 
I am not Catholic. And you are right the Bible was written by men inspired by God. Don't you find it interesting that the Bible consists of 66 books most written by different authors over a period of hundreds of years, most never even knowing each other yet each book has the same central theme concerning Jesus Christ and His death at Calvary for the forgivness of our sins. This is the most amazing book ever written, how can you condemn something you have never read? Are you really "HereToStudy" or here to contend?
 
BBB said:
I am not Catholic. And you are right the Bible was written by men inspired by God. Don't you find it interesting that the Bible consists of 66 books all written by different authors over a period of hundreds of years, most never even knowing each other yet each book has the same central theme concerning Jesus Christ and His death at Calvary for the forgivness of our sins. This is the most amazing book ever written, how can you condem something you have never read?
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When did I state I have never read it? I am the only athiest in my religious family. I went to only Catholic schools through High School, then a Jesuit school for college. When I was younger I was an alter server. I am not miseducated towards the book, I just see it as a work of fiction. I am not amazed that multiple authors wrote the same story, I could write the basic story of Scientology, a religion/cult I despise most, as can many people who have looked into it. Doesn't mean I believe it. You are telling me that they all independently wrote the book having never heard of Jesus previously?
 
BBB said:
I am not Catholic. And you are right the Bible was written by men inspired by God. Don't you find it interesting that the Bible consists of 66 books all written by different authors over a period of hundreds of years, most never even knowing each other yet each book has the same central theme concerning Jesus Christ and His death at Calvary for the forgivness of our sins. This is the most amazing book ever written, how can you condem something you have never read?
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you seem to be neglecting the books tossed out of the NT in the 4th century because they did not meet that criteria
 
Although I don't agree, I do respect your opinions. Let's leave it at this, you hold to your beliefs and I will hold to mine and we will see who's right in the end. Gambling with eternity is a huge gamble.

It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible.
George Washington

The whole inspiration of our civilization springs from the teachings of Christ and the lessons of the prophets. To read the Bible for these fundamentals is a necessity of American life.
Herbert Hoover

In regard to this great book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are to found portrayed in it.
Abraham Lincoln

Hold fast to the Bible as the sheet-anchor of your liberties; write its precepts in your hearts and practice them in your lives. To the influence of this book we are indebted for all the progress made in true civilization, and to this we must look as our guide in the future. Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people.
Ulysses S. Grant
 
BBB said:
Although I don't agree, I do respect your opinions. Let's leave it at this, you hold to your beliefs and I will hold to mine and we will see who's right in the end. Gambling with eternity is a huge gamble.
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I respect where you are coming from as we are all entitled to our beliefs. To moe, however, there is too much tangible evidence to support that the stories of the OT and NT are just that, and are not to be tacken literally.

BBB said:
It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible.
George Washington
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Remember, by belief GW was a deist.

BBB said:
The whole inspiration of our civilization springs from the teachings of Christ and the lessons of the prophets. To read the Bible for these fundamentals is a necessity of American life.
Herbert Hoover
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Not necessarily the best man to quote :lol: I am sure the lucky investors of '29 would not use him as a reference ;)

BBB said:
In regard to this great book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are to found portrayed in it.
Abraham Lincoln
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I am in the minority, but this man was not who people think he was
BBB said:
Hold fast to the Bible as the sheet-anchor of your liberties; write its precepts in your hearts and practice them in your lives. To the influence of this book we are indebted for all the progress made in true civilization, and to this we must look as our guide in the future. Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people.
Ulysses S. Grant
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good general, horrible president, about as blind or corrupt (depending on source) as has ever graced the oval office

Also, for these guys supporting the bible, which book, OT or NT?
 
AE14 said:
also, whats funny, is that after hte expulsion, Cain and Able get married to some random women. WHere did they come from? :hmmm:
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Actually, Adam and Eve had 9 children, 3 boys and 6 girls. Cain and Able married their sisters.
 
AE14 said:
I respect where you are coming from as we are all entitled to our beliefs. To moe, however, there is too much tangible evidence to support that the stories of the OT and NT are just that, and are not to be tacken literally.
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Moe Szyslak?

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Turns out I was mistaken on the numbers.

One can actually answer this question with just a little Bible knowledge. Genesis 5:4 tells us that Adam and Eve 'begat sons and daughters.' Josephus, the Jewish historian, states that 'The number of Adam's children, as says the old tradition, was thirty-three sons and twenty-three daughters.' The point, of course, is that Adam and Eve did have many children.

Therefore, brothers must have married sisters at the beginning. Remember that the law against close intermarriage was not given until the time of Moses - e.g., 'none of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him' (Leviticus 18:6). There was nothing wrong with brother and sister marriages, originally. If you think about it, that is the only way to populate the world, starting with only one pair. Notice that Abraham married his half sister with no condemnation from God, even though this was later forbidden.
 
Adamson was Adam and Eve's firstborn. He was followed by his sister and Eveson, the second son of Adam and Eve. Eve bore sixty-three children, thirty-two daughters, and thirty-one sons, before the default. When Adam and Eve left the Garden, their family consisted of four generations numbering 1,647 pure-line descendants. They had forty-two children after leaving the Garden besides the two offspring of joint parentage with the mortal stock of Earth.
 
bluehealer said:
lmao, I get different numbers of children on everything I find.
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This is our point, it depends who created the story. There are many zombies/Dracula/Ghost stories out there, they change depending on who wrote it. Since apparently this thread has people who take the bible literally, they had 56 children in one story, They continuosly had kids for 42 years (pop'd one out and started another). Assuming this was post puberty, and started as soon as puberty hit, it appears they did nothing but have sex, deliver children until the age of menapause.
 
bluehealer said:
lmao, I get different numbers of children on everything I find.
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there in lies the dilemma. I would like to see an official excerpt from the OT. I do appreciate the fact that you are taking the time to search it.
 
HereToStudy said:
This is our point, it depends who created the story. There are many zombies/Dracula/Ghost stories out there, they change depending on who wrote it. Since apparently this thread has people who take the bible literally, they had 56 children in one story, They continuosly had kids for 42 years (pop'd one out and started another). Assuming this was post puberty, and started as soon as puberty hit, it appears they did nothing but have sex, deliver children until the age of menapause.
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Well, according to the OT, adam lived to be 900yoa. 56 children would not be so bad.
 
This is a quote from Genisis 5 verse 3.

And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty; and he died.
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Now, it doesn't give specific numbers but it does mention daughters.
 
thats fair :lol:


my only point was that there are large holes in the OT story.
 
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