Dermacrine lv + Formestane Lv = a little more diezel

[diezel]

I don't think tapering off form is necessary. Also Sustain alpha doesn't need to be on cycle, just save it for post cycle the Formestane will take care of the estrogen. I also recommend OEP on cycle its been working on great, not sure about hghup though.

Day 27- This stack has been great for my recomp. I'm noticebly bigger everywhere. My t-shirts are feeling smaller in the chest and arms and my Jackets are feeling smaller in the shoulders. Also my jeans/boxer's are more snug in my legs. On another note I've definely lost BF not sure how much but will check in a couple day with my final review. My lower abs are showing up nicely and I'm seeing new cuts everywhere. Also my endurance, drive and strength is up in my workouts every week. Side effects still none. I plan to use sustain alpha for post cycle .

 

[tonea002]

Looks good man! I am getting closer and closer to ordering this combo. I wonder how bad you will crash once you come off everything? I am thinking about doing this combo but holding off til after the stack is complete and starting some Ephedrine/Caffeine. What are your thoughts on the versus OEP? Also, should I wait to start til after the cycle or start in the middle? I haven't tried OEP but I will say I love the EC stack.

 

[Jimbo15]

Looks good man! I am getting closer and closer to ordering this combo. I wonder how bad you will crash once you come off everything? I am thinking about doing this combo but holding off til after the stack is complete and starting some Ephedrine/Caffeine. What are your thoughts on the versus OEP? Also, should I wait to start til after the cycle or start in the middle? I haven't tried OEP but I will say I love the EC stack.

Which stack are you trying to use?

 

[bulldogz]

yo diezel...you still running this stack, or was it only for ~30 days or so....I would like to see and hear final thoughts...

I would also think running eca along side this stack would just as good as OEP since they are both fat burners

 

[Jmlift]

I recently purchased the derm muscle stack from pp. I'm curious as to why pp doesn't mention this formestane + derm stack.

The derm stack I just bought is derm, phyto test and sustain for pct.

Formestane is anti e right? I didn't think you needed to worry about that with derm so I am a little confused as to why ppl do this stack. I am learning...

 

[UKStrength]

Looks good man! I am getting closer and closer to ordering this combo. I wonder how bad you will crash once you come off everything? I am thinking about doing this combo but holding off til after the stack is complete and starting some Ephedrine/Caffeine. What are your thoughts on the versus OEP? Also, should I wait to start til after the cycle or start in the middle? I haven't tried OEP but I will say I love the EC stack.

Ephedrine and Caffeine (EC) would potentially crash even worse than OEP due to it's potent nature. If you're worried about that, have you considered using a non-stimulant based fat burning stack such as the Invalid Link Removed?

 

[bulldogz]

I recently purchased the derm muscle stack from pp. I'm curious as to why pp doesn't mention this formestane + derm stack.

The derm stack I just bought is derm, phyto test and sustain for pct.

Formestane is anti e right? I didn't think you needed to worry about that with derm so I am a little confused as to why ppl do this stack. I am learning...

Yes, formestane in an AI....the SA is a very, very mild AI...but there is potential estro conversion from the dermacrine since it increases test pruduction, increased test production means increase estro as well.....so the formestane will help mitigate that estro

 

[Jimbo15]

I recently purchased the derm muscle stack from pp. I'm curious as to why pp doesn't mention this formestane + derm stack.

The derm stack I just bought is derm, phyto test and sustain for pct.

Formestane is anti e right? I didn't think you needed to worry about that with derm so I am a little confused as to why ppl do this stack. I am learning...

It will help keep you leaner during the cycle, we suggest the combo for cutting. Dermacrine isn't strong enough to require the use of Formestane or any other Anti E or AI.

 

[Jmlift]

It will help keep you leaner during the cycle, we suggest the combo for cutting. Dermacrine isn't strong enough to require the use of Formestane or any other Anti E or AI.

Gotcha, thanks. Maybe if i do another derm cycle I'll stack forme with it.

 

[diezel]

Final Review
Starting weight 201.5
Final Weight 203.2
Starting BF
Final Bodyfat 10%

I really liked this stack. I didn't get huge off it, but that's not what I was expecting. I gain some real quality muscle and lost a good amount of bodyfat. My strength went up considerably after about a week and a half in . My recovery time was great too and I didn't experience any sides except for some insomnia the first couple of days.

Mass 6.5/10- I was on a recomp/cut and I still managed to gain a couple pounds while losing bodyfat , not too shabby. I think if I bulked for the 30 day cycle I probably could've got to about 208. I got to about 205.5-206 about halfway through the cycle and then cut.
Definition/fat loss- 9/10 I was also on OEP, but I know the stack helped quite a bit as even when I was bulking my BF didn't appear to go up and when I decided to cut, I cut up pretty quickly .
Strength- 10/10- My strength went up like crazy even with smaller isolation exercises like bicep curl and tricep ext or rope pressdown. I honestly think it worked better than my 1-tren cycle.
Mood 9/10- My mood was good all around , I started feeling a bit more alpha on it as well, but never got short tempered.
Libido 8.5/10- My libido was noticebly increased during the whole cycle. Nothing too crazy but definetly higher than normal.
Sides 9.5/10- Besided the sleep issues the first couple of days I had no sides, not even increased acne. I was very happy with this because usually even test boosters give me increased acne.

Conclusion- I'd definetly do this cycle again. Next time I'd like to run it as an 8 week cycle. I recommend this as a cutting/recomp cycle. You'll see very little to no sides and have very nice results.

 

[thebigt]

I don't think tapering off form is necessary. Also Sustain alpha doesn't need to be on cycle, just save it for post cycle the Formestane will take care of the estrogen. I also recommend OEP on cycle its been working on great, not sure about hghup though.

Day 27- This stack has been great for my recomp. I'm noticebly bigger everywhere. My t-shirts are feeling smaller in the chest and arms and my Jackets are feeling smaller in the shoulders. Also my jeans/boxer's are more snug in my legs. On another note I've definely lost BF not sure how much but will check in a couple day with my final review. My lower abs are showing up nicely and I'm seeing new cuts everywhere. Also my endurance, drive and strength is up in my workouts every week. Side effects still none. I plan to use sustain alpha for post cycle .

nice results-congrats!

 

[UKStrength]

Final Review
Starting weight 201.5
Final Weight 203.2
Starting BF
Final Bodyfat 10%

I really liked this stack. I didn't get huge off it, but that's not what I was expecting. I gain some real quality muscle and lost a good amount of bodyfat. My strength went up considerably after about a week and a half in . My recovery time was great too and I didn't experience any sides except for some insomnia the first couple of days.

Mass 6.5/10- I was on a recomp/cut and I still managed to gain a couple pounds while losing bodyfat , not too shabby. I think if I bulked for the 30 day cycle I probably could've got to about 208. I got to about 205.5-206 about halfway through the cycle and then cut.
Definition/fat loss- 9/10 I was also on OEP, but I know the stack helped quite a bit as even when I was bulking my BF didn't appear to go up and when I decided to cut, I cut up pretty quickly .
Strength- 10/10- My strength went up like crazy even with smaller isolation exercises like bicep curl and tricep ext or rope pressdown. I honestly think it worked better than my 1-tren cycle.
Mood 9/10- My mood was good all around , I started feeling a bit more alpha on it as well, but never got short tempered.
Libido 8.5/10- My libido was noticebly increased during the whole cycle. Nothing too crazy but definetly higher than normal.
Sides 9.5/10- Besided the sleep issues the first couple of days I had no sides, not even increased acne. I was very happy with this because usually even test boosters give me increased acne.

Conclusion- I'd definetly do this cycle again. Next time I'd like to run it as an 8 week cycle. I recommend this as a cutting/recomp cycle. You'll see very little to no sides and have very nice results.

Awesome review mate Invalid Link Removed was my first ever Primordial Performance product...it holds a special place in my heart

I'd personally never run a cycle over 6 weeks anymore, the recovery time is just too long. BIG fan of short cycles nowadays

 

[Naberious]

Derm + Form with the OEP is exactly what I'm planning on doing soon... Thanks for the great log, it's getting me pumped!

 

[bikeswimlive]

Is four weeks too short? Should I push my cycle out to six weeks? I have been debating this for awhile.

 

[Jimbo15]

Is four weeks too short? Should I push my cycle out to six weeks? I have been debating this for awhile.

I prefer five or six weeks with dermacrine. Its mild so you should be ok.