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Delayed proper PCT question.

musclemilk21

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So about three months ago, I ran a compound called "Special Ops Training Pack," and it contained 10mg Superdrol and 20mg Tren. I took this amount for 30 days. I was mistaken in thinking that Reversitol would be enough for a PCT. It has been a bit over two months since I finished the cycle. I have noticed symptoms such as itchy nipples, low libido, difficulty getting it up, and constant fatigue. I suspect this is due to my test still being shut down. Would it be beneficial to run Nolva or Clomid at this point? I was told that Letro might be a good idea. Or is it so far past the fact of the matter that a SERM wouldn't do anything? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
itchy nips means u may be getting gyno, do u have a lump behind the nipple or are they just sensitive?
 
if you are going to run a testosterone restart ur going to have to use clomid for 4 weeks the starting doseage will have to do with how shut down u still are.

Since it was so long ago i suggest a 4 week clomid run at 75/50/50/50 and see where that brings u

You will need to have to go get a blood test after this is done to check your hormone levels cause if it doesnt fix ur problems ur going to need to know what is causing them
 
I'm not really sure if I'd call it a "lump"; when I squeeze right behind them, I can feel a tiny cylindrical mass. So is it definitely gyno? I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow, so hopefully he'll allow me to get a blood test and see what's going on. As far as SERMS go, though, Clomid would definitely be my best option?
 
musclemilk21 said:
I'm not really sure if I'd call it a "lump"; when I squeeze right behind them, I can feel a tiny cylindrical mass. So is it definitely gyno? I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow, so hopefully he'll allow me to get a blood test and see what's going on. As far as SERMS go, though, Clomid would definitely be my best option?
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Have your doctor palpate the lump and get his expert opinion. Get the blood tests done and see what the results are. If you are in fact on the low side or testosterone deficient clomid will be the best remedy for a testosterone restart.

If you cannot restart your testosterone HRT or TRT may have to be an option (however lets take it one step at a time get the tests done then post the values up here and let some of the vets take a good look at the numbers before u start worring about anything
 
Update

Just ordered some Clomid. I was reading an article about how to restore HPTA function, and stumbled upon some interesting info:
This is the protocol the doc said he used in literally thousands of users with suppressed HPTA.
First thing, the 500iu a day was not enough to make the testicles do their job, he suggested this was just a waste of time and money.
He suggests 8 shots of HCG @ 2500iu EOD.
With this you take 20 mg of nolvadex for 45 days.
Clomid is also taken but twice a day @ 50mg each dose 12 hours apart.

So would I need to take Nolvadex in conjunction with the Clomid for optimal results? Also, if HPTA is needed, I have no idea where to get it. If someone wants to PM me a source, that would be lovely. :arms:
 
musclemilk21 said:
Just ordered some Clomid. I was reading an article about how to restore HPTA function, and stumbled upon some interesting info:
This is the protocol the doc said he used in literally thousands of users with suppressed HPTA.
First thing, the 500iu a day was not enough to make the testicles do their job, he suggested this was just a waste of time and money.
He suggests 8 shots of HCG @ 2500iu EOD.
With this you take 20 mg of nolvadex for 45 days.
Clomid is also taken but twice a day @ 50mg each dose 12 hours apart.

So would I need to take Nolvadex in conjunction with the Clomid for optimal results? Also, if HPTA is needed, I have no idea where to get it. If someone wants to PM me a source, that would be lovely. :arms:
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That protocol seems a bit overkill right now wait till u get your lab results back.

HPTA=Hpothalamus Piuitar Testes Axis, u cant buy it its how ur body naturally keeps testosterone and other hormones at homeostasis.
 
My lab results: On a scale of 35 to 115, my free test level is a 45. :(

I have been taking Clomid at 100mg/day and Nolva at 40mg/day for three days now, and I'm praying it will be enough to rectify the problem. However, I'm still very tempted to add in HCG because I've heard that it is often needed to "jump-start" the testes to get them to respond.

Advice, anyone? I'm pretty desperate because I already waited too long...and I'm pretty frightened at the prospect of never recovering HPTA function.
 
ok run the clomid 100/75/50/50, this is a PCT protocol hopefully it kicks ur testosterone system on.

I personally wouldnt add nolva nor would i add HCG as of yet. Try the clomid first, get retested a month or so after the clomid PCT and see what the results are at that point.
 
Dont add HCG. You should honestly do just fine with clomid by itself at 50/50/50/50... If that doesnt fix the problem, then you had a pre existing condition or a sensitive hormonal system that breaks easy IMO...
 
slacker86 said:
ok run the clomid 100/75/50/50, this is a PCT protocol hopefully it kicks ur testosterone system on.

I personally wouldnt add nolva nor would i add HCG as of yet. Try the clomid first, get retested a month or so after the clomid PCT and see what the results are at that point.
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Agree with this...
 
Anything else I should add, then? A friend recommended a natty test booster...I tried Recycle already, though, and didn't notice anything at all.
 
maybe Test Recovery Stack, by pp could help but definitely a clomid 4 week pct ASAP, how old are you if you don't mind me asking?
 
19 years old :( so you can imagine how intimidating the prospect of having f-ed up my endocrine system for life is. I will never use PHs again...that's for sure. I really hope I can recover from this.
 
Alright man you'll be good don't worry, no here is fu%$ing around though you NEED to get CLOMID not a natty test booster or anything of that nature.
 
musclemilk21 said:
19 years old :( so you can imagine how intimidating the prospect of having f-ed up my endocrine system for life is. I will never use PHs again...that's for sure. I really hope I can recover from this.
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Dont worry my man, i did the same thing u did on messing up a pct and took clomid/TRS from PP and i just got my test. blood work back and it was up at 650 and that was after messing up pretty bad. libido still a bit low but the fact i know that i am not shut down is a sigh of relief. You'll be fine, def get the clomid tho, will help much.
good luck
 
Thanks a ton, man. I'm gonna stay on the Clomid and Nolva. The TRS from PP is pretty damn expensive though. Is it really worth it when there are way cheaper options out there? Also, what kind of compounds did you run that shut you down?
 
musclemilk21 said:
Thanks a ton, man. I'm gonna stay on the Clomid and Nolva. The TRS from PP is pretty damn expensive though. Is it really worth it when there are way cheaper options out there? Also, what kind of compounds did you run that shut you down?
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Same as u, tren and superdrol if I remember right what u said u took. Ya the TRS is a bit pricey so possibly just the sustain alpha could help. Clomid should do the trick though.
 
I'm in my third week of PCT now. Unfortunately, there have been no noticeable differences so far. I'm currently taking 75mg/day of Clomid and 20mg/day of Nolva, and I plan to taper down to 50mg/day on the Clomid next week (my final week of PCT). After I finish up, I'll be getting my levels checked again. If they haven't risen much, then I'll probably run another PCT with HCG included. This one would be a 32-day protocol: 2000 iu's of HCG every 4 days, Clomid at 100mg/day, and Nolva at 10mg/day. I'll keep you all updated, and if you have any more input, be sure to let me know.
 
musclemilk21 said:
I'm in my third week of PCT now. Unfortunately, there have been no noticeable differences so far. I'm currently taking 75mg/day of Clomid and 20mg/day of Nolva, and I plan to taper down to 50mg/day on the Clomid next week (my final week of PCT). After I finish up, I'll be getting my levels checked again. If they haven't risen much, then I'll probably run another PCT with HCG included. This one would be a 32-day protocol: 2000 iu's of HCG every 4 days, Clomid at 100mg/day, and Nolva at 10mg/day. I'll keep you all updated, and if you have any more input, be sure to let me know.
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I have read that you shouldn't be going over 25mg's/day of Clomid as a restart protocol and even as low as 12.5 can be sufficient
 
Thought I'd give another update, as well as seek some advice--people on this board have been quite supportive, and I really appreciate it. Basically, I've been running PCT for 6 weeks now, and have noticed very little improvement.

Earlier today, though, I stumbled across an interesting idea. A guy who had a similar problem to mine overcame it in a counterintuitive way: he re-suppressed his HPTA by running Test Prop for six weeks, then used proper PCT (Clomid and Nolva) afterwards to jump-start it. This finally normalized his libido and sexual function.

Basically, my question is: is there any logic to doing such a thing? Seeing as how nothing has worked so far, running another compound is certainly tempting--especially with summer being right around the corner.

My other thought was to try Torem--but since Nolva and Clomid have done very little for me, I kinda doubt Torem would be much different.

Thoughts? Thanks again for the feedback you guys have given me so far.
 
musclemilk21 said:
I'm in my third week of PCT now. Unfortunately, there have been no noticeable differences so far. I'm currently taking 75mg/day of Clomid and 20mg/day of Nolva, and I plan to taper down to 50mg/day on the Clomid next week (my final week of PCT). After I finish up, I'll be getting my levels checked again. If they haven't risen much, then I'll probably run another PCT with HCG included. This one would be a 32-day protocol: 2000 iu's of HCG every 4 days, Clomid at 100mg/day, and Nolva at 10mg/day. I'll keep you all updated, and if you have any more input, be sure to let me know.
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hey bro alot of the time peoples libidos are shot during pcts so maybe a little bit after you finish the pcts id wait a few weeks see whatsup than go see the doctor if the problem still persists.

good luck tho
 
robxxxxxx69 said:
hey bro alot of the time peoples libidos are shot during pcts so maybe a little bit after you finish the pcts id wait a few weeks see whatsup than go see the doctor if the problem still persists.

good luck tho
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ya i have also heard that SERMS can ruin libido pretty good. Dont forget to check your estro, i got my test. to come back and now to come to it i never really payed attention to estro being my problem... well thats it now, so also keep that in mind.
 
Update: decided to try Torem. I'm really damn impressed at what it's done in just a few days of taking it. Basically all atrophy has been reversed, and the aforementioned problems have gotten much better. It's incredible how fast this stuff works..,by far the best SERM available, in my opinion.
 
musclemilk21 said:
Update: decided to try Torem. I'm really damn impressed at what it's done in just a few days of taking it. Basically all atrophy has been reversed, and the aforementioned problems have gotten much better. It's incredible how fast this stuff works..,by far the best SERM available, in my opinion.
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Torem is some pretty good stuff, but you need to take it at doses from 90mg-120mg to get the awe inspiring effects.. After 2-3 weeks of torem, jump back into nolva at 10mg per day for 2 more weeks.
 
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