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I dont necessarily believe nog is done. He might not be at the level of title contention. However, there are still some interesting fights against some of the younder heavyweights.
 
AE14 said:
I dont necessarily believe nog is done. He might not be at the level of title contention. However, there are still some interesting fights against some of the younder heavyweights.
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I would say Nog is done in the sense that he'll never be in title contention, as is true with Mirko. They both could probably still draw some interesting fights, "maybe" big Nog can still be a main event fight, "maaaaaaybe" but as far as a legitimate contender for the belt, both Pride Legends are done.

Nog's performance against Randy was a revitalizing one, but his UFC record proves last weekends performance to be his standard and his fight against Randy to be the exception. Also, Mirko looked decent against a guy I've never-ever heard of in my life and furthermore, said no-namer had no time to prepare for a competitive fight (2 days?) and Mirko still only looked decent. He fought a smart fight, had some good TDD's and dominated, but dominated in the most underwhelming way possible for the situation at hand.

Time for me to officially unhinge the tire swing from Mirko's nuts.

P.S. I'll be seriously pissed if Cain beats Brock. I think people have gathered for class action bear hugs around Cain's nuts faster and tighter gripped then when Rogan announced the Machida era had arrived. For whatever reason, that kind of nut-gathery irks me. That being said, I'm partly convinced that Cain might just be "that good," (hope not). Like Mullet if GSP is to ever lose, if Brock lost against Cain (assuming that will be the next fight), I'll probably lose interest in MMA for a short period.
 
that is why I am glad I dont have any real allegiance to a fighter. I enjoy watching too much to have to stop if someone loses. I will say however, that I am beginning to dislike Mir enough to hope he gets stomped in each of his fights
 
AE14 said:
that is why I am glad I dont have any real allegiance to a fighter. I enjoy watching too much to have to stop if someone loses. I will say however, that I am beginning to dislike Mir enough to hope he gets stomped in each of his fights
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what did Mir do??? you dont like his definition of a "true martial artist"? lol
 
lol. I also think his comments about Brock are bad for the sport. In jest or not, it is not the publicity that MMA in general needs.
 
I am not a CArwin fan at all, and in fact have not been impressed by him either. However, I hope he stomps the hell out of Mir, just so he will STFU
 
AE14 said:
that is why I am glad I dont have any real allegiance to a fighter. I enjoy watching too much to have to stop if someone loses. I will say however, that I am beginning to dislike Mir enough to hope he gets stomped in each of his fights
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I sincerely dislike Mir because of the way he poops from his mouth. Cain, I actually like as a fighter. He's promising, he's respectable and he's legitimately talented, it's his flying nut-bar and nut-hook new fans that are causing me to hope against his success. In their minds, he's pretty much literally defeated Fedor already, based on their hyp'ousity. It's the worst case of rear-nutted choking I've ever seen.
 
VolcomX311 said:
That being said, I'm partly convinced that Cain might just be "that good," (hope not). Like Mullet if GSP is to ever lose, if Brock lost against Cain (assuming that will be the next fight), I'll probably lose interest in MMA for a short period.
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Seriously. When GSP lost to Serra I literally became disinterested in MMA until September (loss was in April). If you check my post history in the MMA forum, there is a six-month gap where people were wondering why I disappeared, haha. That was simply too much to handle.
 
Cain really impressed me with his wrestling and crisp strikes, but I really don't think he will be able to deal with the power of Brock. I feel like Lesnar would manhandle him on the ground and just stop his game completely.
 
the whole cain vs fedor is stupid. ive maybe seen that once. cain is legit but who didnt know that already? wwho was actually suprised withwhat happened? no part of me was shocked at all. big nog has been knocked down by more punches in the ufc than any other HW. his stand up has lacked. this fight didnt change my opinion at all. the top 5 are lesner,mir,cain,carwin,dos santos. and those are in order. id put nog at number 6. i think dos santos wolud beat him.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
the whole cain vs fedor is stupid. ive maybe seen that once. cain is legit but who didnt know that already? wwho was actually suprised withwhat happened? no part of me was shocked at all. big nog has been knocked down by more punches in the ufc than any other HW. his stand up has lacked. this fight didnt change my opinion at all. the top 5 are lesner,mir,cain,carwin,dos santos. and those are in order. id put nog at number 6. i think dos santos wolud beat him.
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Someone in his camp needs to tell Nog that blocking punches with your cheek is ineffective defense.
 
People were impressed with his standup with Randy and it bothered me so bad. Randy is winning fights but still but in a different fasion. Vera had great TD defense but was losing octagon control badly. Mark Coleman is just too old and done. I knew Nog would lose going in I am surprised peopel are shocked. I was not surprised Nog beat Randy Im shocked it took 3 rounds. Nog and Randy are still going to win fights and sh!t but can compete with the top 5 in there weight class. They will jsut continue to give us fun fights and memories. It would be awesome if Nog could take out someone like Rothwell or Junior Dos Santos. I know for a fact Fedor would DROP cain. I hope Carwin doesnt tho. I think Cain would have a really hard time beating frank mir. Frank is getting better and I bet next time we see him he will be a Solid 263 pounds of muscle and curly hair.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
People were impressed with his standup with Randy and it bothered me so bad. Randy is winning fights but still but in a different fasion. Vera had great TD defense but was losing octagon control badly. Mark Coleman is just too old and done. I knew Nog would lose going in I am surprised peopel are shocked. I was not surprised Nog beat Randy Im shocked it took 3 rounds. Nog and Randy are still going to win fights and sh!t but can compete with the top 5 in there weight class. They will jsut continue to give us fun fights and memories. It would be awesome if Nog could take out someone like Rothwell or Junior Dos Santos. I know for a fact Fedor would DROP cain. I hope Carwin doesnt tho. I think Cain would have a really hard time beating frank mir. Frank is getting better and I bet next time we see him he will be a Solid 263 pounds of muscle and curly hair.
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Cain v Mir would be the only instance where I'd quasi-root for Mir.
 
Cain is my fav HW. I think lesner will beat them all. and I think MIr will give Carwin and cain a really hard time and take both of those fights. Unless they can out wrestle him too. Mir is gonig to have to drop lesner to gget a win. I am just happy that the HW division is good now. They haVE like 7 super stars. Imagine if they had rogers,fedor, and overeem.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
Cain is my fav HW. I think lesner will beat them all. and I think MIr will give Carwin and cain a really hard time and take both of those fights. Unless they can out wrestle him too. Mir is gonig to have to drop lesner to gget a win. I am just happy that the HW division is good now. They haVE like 7 super stars. Imagine if they had rogers,fedor, and overeem.
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I'm not as confident as you are that Lesnar would beat Cain. Clearly that'd be my preference, but my current perspective is that if Cain caught anyone in the same fashion he caught Nog, that certain anyone is going down, 25lbs advantage or not. Even Mir, as much as I hate that ***got, I don't see anyone staying on their feet if he catches someone the way he caught Kongo. Fanaticism aside, objectively, I still feel Lesnar has the strength x size x athleticism advantage on the entire HW division, but among the HW elites, it can be anyone's game all things considered.

If the fights started on the ground like a wrestling match, I say Lesnar has every fight, every time, but considering you have to trade at least a little bit in the beginning, both Mir and Cain make me nervous as a Brock fan. I don't know if it's the post-fight hype or all the new flying nut-bars being thrown on Cain, but that dude really makes me nervous as a Brock fan :nervous:
 
I think that Lesnar has the advantage over all of the HWY's, but you are correct in your assessment, if Cain catches him on the chin, a la Nog, it will be lights out. However, the same could be said for Carwin as well.

I think it will eventually boil down to Brock v. Cain. If Lesnar gets him on his back it is over for Cain imo. Brock will be too big and too strong. However, the reverse holds true as well IMO
 
cain mir and carwin could all dude that. but i dont know how likely it will happen. If lesner sticks to the correct plan he will takei t. cain follows a good game plan. carwin i dont know enough about. i dont know why people are huggin his nuts know tho. they should have know a young talented aka fighter would beat an older and slower guy. there isnt as much nug huggin with his as there are other superstars. i still think lesner would be cain dude. lesner is the real deal but him being gone scares me.
 
I think Randy displayed a glaring weakness in Brock's wrestling game, which happened to be Randy's specialty: the clinch. And furthermore, Randy took Brock down in that facet with an enormous size, weight and strength advantage! I am suspicious of Brock's technicality and savvy in the clinch, and if Cain and/or Carwin were intelligent, they would make Brock work against the clinch, take away his length, and dirty box him.This is the most efficient manner of victory against Lesnar
 
There's also a currently, unquantifiable factor in regards to the returning, post-illness, post-extended break from the cage Brock. My gut says it won't be a huge deal, but I don't have any information to go on in order to speculate on the subject.
 
dude it sounds like a huge deal. thats a lot of time off as well as ring rust. hes getting older and didnt have much exp in the first place. this sucked ass what happenend to him. Hopefully it doesnt effect him so we dont have to listen to people making excuses for him. Im sure he will provide a great performance, I mean come on,he has a sword and skulls on him, hes a bad ass hahaha. I would have loved to see Nog fight him a couple years ago. Nasty clintch! Yeah I saw that mullet in both Mir vs Lesner II and randy vs lesner there was a slight window of time where i was liek damn not bad against a monster.
 
He's a beast, no doubt.... All of his fights are the same though. He tackles you when he can and hammerfists you till youre done. I cant wait to see C0ck Chestnar lose.
 
i feel like he would take Nog out on his feet. when youare as big as him you decide where the fight is going. I love the heath hearing fight haha
 
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