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**Dkwilson16's M-drol Cycle Log**

I gained about 12lbs in the first two weeks and pretty much maintained that weight through to the end of the cycle with my strength in everything going up the whole duration of the cycle.
 
Honestly, I get my gains in the third week. Pumps through the first 2 weeks then it all seems to hit me come third week.
 
Alright I didnt log yesterday bc i had a huge test yesterday and i stayed up all night the night before studying so i took an off day and slept all day after class and made that workout up today. So here is for today...

Day 10- Wednesday 2/17

Weighed in at 219 (+10) today, i was shocked when i saw it. But same rec. scale every day so no error... I did back and bi's today. My arms felt huge. When i get a huge pump it makes my hands look so tiny like midget hands (probably bc i have short hands to begin with) but it looks kinda awkward. Strength was real good on both back lifts and bi's... Did mostly just machines on back so cant really throw any numbers out, but ive gone up a notch or two on each one... On bi's i ended my curls on the 90lb curl bar and actually got the full 8 reps so it felt better than usual. Usually i can just get a few on this last set.

Does anyone know if itchy skin is a side effect of the SD? not that it bothers me, just curious if anyone else experienced it. maybe that or i just need to bathe.

On a more serious note, anytime i'm sitting down the left side of my chest kinda has a weird feeling to it. Not a bad pain but more of just a little pressure that is kind of uncomfortable. I was wondering if this was maybe from high blood pressure from the mdrol? Hopefully nothing too serious, it did it when i was on my Hdrol cycle as well, usually when i would sleep and wake up from sleeping on my stomach and my chest would kinda hurt.
 
Day 11- Thursday 2/18

219lbs (+10) Real good workout. I did...

Incline 8 x 4 @ 135, 175, 185, 185
DB Incline 8 x 4 @ 65s 75s 80s 80s (got all 8 on both sets of 80s- Last week only got 6 for one rep and 95s once)
Incline flies 8 x 4 @ 25s 30s 30s 35s
Decline 6 x 4 @ 135, 185, 205, 225
Cable Flies 10 x 4
Abs


Day 12- Friday 2/19

220 lbs (+11). I made up my legs day from when i missed Wednesday because of staying up all night because of my test. Haven't worked legs hard in a while so today was a good day just getting back into it and putting some weight on the bar.

1. Squats 8 x 4 and 2 x 1
@185 225 275 275 and 315 twice
2. Calf Raises 20 x 4
3. Leg Extension/ Leg Curls
(super set 10 x 3)
4. Leg Press
8 x 4
5. Rode the resistance bike @ 15 minutes for a cool down

It was kind of a quick, semi light workout but its been a while to hit the legs full speed so for where i'm at on my legs it was a good workout. Definitely couldn't walk very well out of the gym and i know i will be sore tomorrow.

Still waiting for the Mdrol to reallly kick in so i can see some insane results. I mean i have gained 11 pounds, gained a bit of some strength but nothing ridiculous yet, and i can def tell i look fuller through my shoulders, chest and traps...

Thinking about bumping to 30mgs tomorrow... Anyone?
 
I wonder what would be worse.. 1)taking 30mg the rest of the 4 wk cycle or 2)running 20mg for a 5wk cycle, I know thats what I wanted to do. hmm..
 
younganabolic said:
I wonder what would be worse.. 1)taking 30mg the rest of the 4 wk cycle or 2)running 20mg for a 5wk cycle, I know thats what I wanted to do. hmm..
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That's a good question... I would think 4 wks @ 30 would be less harmful but im just a noob. The other day i asked my friend about his mdrol cycle he did a month or two ago and he said his was a 10 wk hdrol/mdrol cycle like this:

hdrol: 50/50/75/75/75/00/00/00/00/00
mdrol:00/00/00/00/00/20/20/30/30/30

and all he did was take novedex XT and liver support for pct... and he had no sides at all. weird. But i told him to check out the site
 
younganabolic said:
Maybe he didn't see signs of side effects. Only blood tests can tell for certain.
How much did he gain?
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Yeah thats very true... well he wasnt trying to bulk or anything and i dont think he eats enough like he should. but he's real cut and put like 40 pounds on his bench
 
younganabolic said:
Hows the strength goin? You should feel it kick in this 3rd week.
Did you bump it up to 30?
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Dude strength has gone up a bit but nothing impressing me so far. I'm starting to kind of get bummed about it. I have been busting my ass though and eating tons. Hopefully i actually see something this week, im going to hit it hard no matter what. I have bench tomorrow and if i still can't get 300+ (i started at 295 and have been there for weeks before day 1 and as of day 1) then i definitely want to think about switching to some pplex or something else the last week or two... I mean don't you think if i go in tomorrow and put up 295 on bench and 225x10 or 11 like i have been doing for weeks now that something isnt right? And i know ive been busting my ass and i know ive been eating almost perfect... tons and tons of food and protein at least 5, usually 6 times a day.

And no i havent bumped it to 30 yet but i am going to starting tomorrow...
 
what does our program look like.. u may need to adjust your workouts and rep ranges for strength, if thats what your going for... also whats your batch number number on the mdrol
 
I was at about the same strength level as you and it went through the roof for me..of course I took creatine the last week

But yeah I wasn't that impressed to be honest and I train harder than anyone I know.

I have to say creatine mono beats mdrol in my book, especially since I can stay on it long enough to solidify my gains made in the first month.

I wouldn't throw in pplex now its too late. Just finish up the mdrol cycle at 30mg and see what happens.
 
bigzach1234 said:
what does our program look like.. u may need to adjust your workouts and rep ranges for strength, if thats what your going for... also whats your batch number number on the mdrol
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batch number 53426 oct 2012... And my routine as far as bench is something like this:


Monday (Bench/chest and tris)
Warm up with some 135 and 185. Do 1-reps @ 225, 255, 275, 295, fail at 305. (ive done this the first 2 weeks) Then drop down to 2 plates and rep til failure (get 10or11) then to 245 til failure (5or6) then to 185 for failure (14-16).
DB Bench 4 sets of 8 @ 70, 80, 90 , 100 (ish)
Cable flies 4 x 10
DB Flies 4x 8
Dips 4 x 8
Tricep pulldowns 3 x 8
Skullcrushers 3 x 8
abs


Thursday (incline/decline and chest)
Incline 4 x 8 @ 135, 155, 175, 185
DB Incline 4 x 8 @ 65s 75s 85s 85s
Cable Flies 4 x 10
Decline 4 x 8 @ 135, 185, 205, 225
DB Incline Flies 4 x 8
Dips
abs

I can expand on other muscle groups/different days as well, but talking about my bench max in particular i found these the must pertinent...

Critique as you must
 
younganabolic said:
I was at about the same strength level as you and it went through the roof for me..of course I took creatine the last week

But yeah I wasn't that impressed to be honest and I train harder than anyone I know.

I have to say creatine mono beats mdrol in my book, especially since I can stay on it long enough to solidify my gains made in the first month.

I wouldn't throw in pplex now its too late. Just finish up the mdrol cycle at 30mg and see what happens.
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But didnt you go from like 305 to like 345 on bench? or something like that...

Really? Creatine monohydrate better than mdrol, how the hell is that possible lol? Is that just creatine mix or what?

Alright thats what ill do, just finish out at 30mgs and hopefully something happens. I will for sure never run mdrol again if i dont get that boost in the next week or two. Everyone says it does them amazing things...
 
I started out 305x1, 275x3ish. I never put more than 275 on the free bench due to my shoulder..but i did 365x3 on the fixed bench. That was with mdrol+creatine.
 
dkwilson16 said:
batch number 53426 oct 2012... And my routine as far as bench is something like this:


Monday (Bench/chest and tris)
Warm up with some 135 and 185. Do 1-reps @ 225, 255, 275, 295, fail at 305. (ive done this the first 2 weeks) Then drop down to 2 plates and rep til failure (get 10or11) then to 245 til failure (5or6) then to 185 for failure (14-16).
DB Bench 4 sets of 8 @ 70, 80, 90 , 100 (ish)
Cable flies 4 x 10
DB Flies 4x 8
Dips 4 x 8
Tricep pulldowns 3 x 8
Skullcrushers 3 x 8
abs
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Keep the bench press, maybe the db bench. Keep the dips -and skullcrushers if you must. Get rid of the rest. Give yourself a few mins between sets.

Thursday (incline/decline and chest)
Incline 4 x 8 @ 135, 155, 175, 185
DB Incline 4 x 8 @ 65s 75s 85s 85s
Cable Flies 4 x 10
Decline 4 x 8 @ 135, 185, 205, 225
DB Incline Flies 4 x 8
Dips
abs
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Keep the incline, db incline, and decline bench. Scrap the flies..and when you say flies are you using tris or all chest?
 
younganabolic said:
Keep the bench press, maybe the db bench. Keep the dips -and skullcrushers if you must. Get rid of the rest. Give yourself a few mins between sets.



Keep the incline, db incline, and decline bench. Scrap the flies..and when you say flies are you using tris or all chest?
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Usually go real light weight and try to squeeze and feel the chest only
 
Day 13 was yesterday- Saturday 2/20
Off day for muscle rest. Did not weigh in.

Day 14- Sunday 2/21
Second off day, resting up at the half way point. Getting ready to bust my ass the last half. Just went to weigh in at the rec and was 223.5 (+14.5) So i'm definitely puttin on some mass, just hopefully that strength goes up this week as well!
 
dkwilson16 said:
Usually go real light weight and try to squeeze and feel the chest only
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Lightweight flies are good for a lot of things but I wouldn't waste your energy on that in your situation. I'd keep the sets low and heavy to at least get some good strength results from this cycle.

I'm really interested in this 3rd and 4th week especially since you are bumping it to 30mg. hit it hard..
 
younganabolic said:
Lightweight flies are good for a lot of things but I wouldn't waste your energy on that in your situation. I'd keep the sets low and heavy to at least get some good strength results from this cycle.

I'm really interested in this 3rd and 4th week especially since you are bumping it to 30mg. hit it hard..
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Ok cool. Alright will do, thanks man
 
Day 15- Monday 2/22

Today was a great day. Finally sold on the mdrol. I did bench/chest, weighed only 220 (+11, down 3.5 from last night?) so idk what's up with that...

I did my usual bench routine... Warmed up with 135, 185, then did one rep at 225, 265, 285, and then went for 305. Got 305 up like it was nothing and then went for 3 plates (315) and got that up as well. Tried for 325 but failed and wasnt that close to getting it at all; probably a little worn down at that point but i dont care bc i got 3 plates finally. Maybe next week i can get 325 :) Another thing, i got 225 15 times, when last week i got 11. And got 245 8 times (6 last week)

Then we did some DB flies 4 x 10, DB Bench 4 x 8 (@ 75s 85s 95s 100s), then did some dips 4 x 10 and some abs. Pretty quick day but my arms were dead, and i had a good pump in my chest for once. So overall a really good day! Tomorrow i'm going to do shoulders and shrugs since i missed it last Saturday. Then move back to probably Saturday. Or maybe can do back AND shoulders tomorrow...

Also, I bumped it up to 30mgs today to finish off the last 2 weeks.
 
two days per week of bench might be a little too much for u.. if u like having two day look into having one of your chest days as a dynamic strength day .. also a really really good strength program tailored towards strength gains on bench is this bench like an animal program.. Invalid Link Removed .. u need to get some training on your assistance muscles such as things like close grip bench press/incline bench press...floor press ...rack lockouts..etc.
 
bigzach1234 said:
two days per week of bench might be a little too much for u.. if u like having two day look into having one of your chest days as a dynamic strength day .. also a really really good strength program tailored towards strength gains on bench is this bench like an animal program.. Invalid Link Removed .. u need to get some training on your assistance muscles such as things like close grip bench press/incline bench press...floor press ...rack lockouts..etc.
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Thanks for the link man i will def check it out. And yeah, i do close grip and floor press sometimes, but honestly i kind of forgot about them until now you remind me. Thanks, i will definitely implement them into my workout maybe thursday, or definitely next monday.
 
bigzach1234 said:
two days per week of bench might be a little too much for u.. if u like having two day look into having one of your chest days as a dynamic strength day .. also a really really good strength program tailored towards strength gains on bench is this bench like an animal program.. Invalid Link Removed .. u need to get some training on your assistance muscles such as things like close grip bench press/incline bench press...floor press ...rack lockouts..etc.
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Reps for that.

Never thought of ice water thing. Interesting
 
Day 16- Tuesday 2/23
Weighed 221 lbs (+12)
Ended up doing Back, shoulders, and shrugs. Was a long workout but a good one.


Day 17- Wednesday 2/24
Weighed 221 (+12). I worked legs today. Did squats, calf raises, leg presses, leg extensions/leg curls, abs. Strength was up from last week on the legs. Did 315 for 4 reps instead of 2 i think last week.

Day 18- Thursday 2/25
Weighed 223.5 (+14.5). Did incline/chest. Incline strength was up drastically. I did a set of 8 at 135, 2 sets of 6 at 185 and a set of 4 at 205. I didnt even try/get up to 205 last week.

I'm feeling real big, and even though ive added a bit of fat all around I can see better definition in my abs... Probably bc ive been hitting them hard. Can't wait til i cut down in April and May so maybe i can actually have real abs for once in my life.

This may be stupid but sometimes i think after i do a bulk and go into a cut that I am just going to lose all the size i just acquired from my cycle... I mean i know the point is obviously to build the muscle the cut the excess fat but sometimes i think maybe i lose progress when cutting... Is there kind of a set time period for bulks and cuts yall stick to? Or maybe a certain weight people aim for to add before a cut... I just kind of want to feel better about this concept before i start my cut in April. Until then i plan on still hitting my goal of 230lbs. I'm at 223.5 so just 6.5 pounds to go but i only have like 11 days left so i gotta start really stuffing in the protein for the home stretch.

I'll also be getting some after pictures up on the last day to see where i stand as far as the bulk/cut process. (plan on ending not this Monday but the next- @ 29 days)
 
Havent logged in a few days... Still at around 222, (+13) kinda bummed but i havent had a killer appetite like i usually do, its kind of odd- but im still trying to eat a ton. I got 325 on bench fairly easy then tried 340 but it was heavy as hell and didnt really get close at all.

My nips are startin to feel a tiny tiny bit sensitive the past couple of days, any ideas? Definitely not what i want to start dealing with at all. no puffiness or balls or anything, but def. never felt sensitive like this. hopefully its normal.

ill log more in detail on my last few days maybe tomorrow, too tired now. hopefully someone has some ideas on my nipples. later
 
The last week is the best, imo. Don't worry about the appetite, the same thing happened to me. Just keep stuffing the food down.

When 'cutting', you might want to use a cortisol control/natty test booster and avoid losing too much at once.
I like to eat less for a week and then maintain for a week. The reason for this is that I can't lift as big when I don't have the energy from food. Also, save the cardio until after your workout and use your energy for moving the weights.

Recognize how much you need to consume in order to gain, maintain, or lose weight.
Cut out the salts and fats while keeping the protein up.

I think you are going to be really happen with your results
 
younganabolic said:
The last week is the best, imo. Don't worry about the appetite, the same thing happened to me. Just keep stuffing the food down.

When 'cutting', you might want to use a cortisol control/natty test booster and avoid losing too much at once.
I like to eat less for a week and then maintain for a week. The reason for this is that I can't lift as big when I don't have the energy from food. Also, save the cardio until after your workout and use your energy for moving the weights.

Recognize how much you need to consume in order to gain, maintain, or lose weight.
Cut out the salts and fats while keeping the protein up.

I think you are going to be really happen with your results
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Alright sweet... yeah i was going to wait until after pct to cut, is that the smartest thing to keep strength gains? And once i start cutting, i need some help on what exactly to do... i mean i'm not good with nutrition so hopefully someone can help me on what exactly to eat bc i can eat the same thing every day as long as i know what is the best- it doesnt bother me at all. And i can get out and run my ass off but idk if thats the best for cutting or if that will lose all my muscle? If anyone can help me with the whole diet part and tutor me on that a bit i'd appreciate it.
 
dkwilson16 said:
is this an early sign of gyno? or is it normal? and im looking at this p5p, what exactly is it?
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It could be, check my thread about starting my cycle. A few guys recommended it.

As far as appetite, it's happening to me too. It sucks man, just keep eating... :439:
 
ok im thinking i need some serious info here... my nips have been just a tiny bit senstive lately, only when i touch them- but its never been like this before. Then just now i was feeling them and i felt a very small amount of liquid coming out the end, guessing from the prolactin effects? Can anyone elaborate on this, i mean i know its a common thing with juicin but what do i need to do from here? maybe start PCT now? or am i good just for the last 3 days...? also recommendations on nolva dosages (40/20/20/10 ?) and other supps i could get to help prevent anything from coming of this.

Thanks in advance for the advice
 
hey dk hows it goin bud? Did the nips continue to be sensitive and did you go straight to PCT or finish up the cycle?
 
bigzach1234 said:
dont use nolva .. it will agrivate the gyno syptoms your expierencing currently
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Isn't it a little late to switch over to Clomid at this point, that is assuming that he has some?

I'd say take formestane or an AI as you cut back on the SERM to keep the gyno (if thats what you are experiencing) from reoccuring.
 
duttvg84 said:
What? I was aware that IF you have gyno symptoms you start nolva right away.
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he's not expierencing regular gyno from estrogen... when u start tp get leaky nips you are expierencing a different type of gyno.. this is from prolactin rather then aromatizing estrogen.. nolva is know to agrivate gyno symptoms such as this
 
**** guys what should i do at this point? i was about to take my first dosage of nolva since todays my first day off cycle. I just messed with my nips and they are not puffy at all and not too sensitive but they are sensitive a tad bit. And i just barely squeezed and now instead of like microscopic amount of liquid coming out my nips it is quite a bit more. like it fills up the whole tip of my nipple in a tiny bubble...

I have nolva, reversitol, testabolan v2, right now with me, but do i need to get something else like letrozole? ive heard it works wonders with this so maybe i should. But now BigZach youre saying not to even take the nolva? What to do, what to do... hopefully i can get some quick responses
 
bigzach1234 said:
he's not expierencing regular gyno from estrogen... when u start tp get leaky nips you are expierencing a different type of gyno.. this is from prolactin rather then aromatizing estrogen.. nolva is know to agrivate gyno symptoms such as this
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is this for sure a sign of some gyno? and if so, is it just as bad as estrogen-causing or can i stop it from occurring with some letro or something?
 
You can use letro but it will kill your sex drive. I'd start taking 100-600mg b6, but not more than that as too much can cause nerve damage. There are other options but they are more expensive.

Don't use nolva with leaky nips!

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^^^a few threads about prolactin gyno
 
great so what serm should i take then and i guess i will have to wait like 5 days for it to come in? nolva is all i have right now... is it better to not take a serm or take nolva for the time being?

this sucks
 
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