stuck bench
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pmiller383
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Get your lats and upper back stronger. Also you can do some speed work to make sure you are giving your full amount of force out of the bottom. For the speed work just take 50% of your max bench and do 8 sets of 3 with about a minute rest between each set. You want to make sure you are applying as much force as possible when you are doing the speed work so even though it is only 50% on there you have to press like it is 150% of your best.
brownstown89
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personally i didnt like that westside type training. You can do all the speed work you want but when you add 40 pounds to the bar then you wont be as fast... i love the ed Coan routine pyramid up and go heavier on assistance work
Jstrong20
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I felt the same way about speed work until I incoprorated bands into it. It really did teach me to explode out of the bottom even with heavy weights. To bad it was my lockout that was weak and I was always strong of the chest.lol
JeffD
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You could try some paused benching, wide grip benching and heavy DB work also. I do singles for speed work rather than triples, has a better carryover for me. Some overhead pressing may be in order too along with the extra upper back/rear delt work to strengthen your shoulders all around.
brownstown89
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Ive used chains it helped to an extent.. i really want to try bands tho because.. ive been deadlifting with bands 3 x 3 or 3 x 1 and wow do know how to lockout.. like 315 is coming off the ground like 225 and its only been 3 weeks.
However how would bands/chains help of ur chest? they would help lockout? and i dont think i need help with lockout yet but when i do im deff. ordering some elitefts bands
brownstown89
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ultra wide grip pause set of a 3-5 rep max will work wonders.
Jstrong20
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They definalty will help the lockout if you use them on max effort day. On dynmaic bench it helped me really learn to explode of the chest and stay tight. It will increase your ability to switch directions and build speed out of the bottom. Trust me if you get a chance give it a try. You'll see what I mean by bands making you stay tight.
pmiller383
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The bands and chains help you off the chest because they kind of trick your nervous system into firing at a higher rate because it thinks your lifting heavier that what you really are. If you ever get a chance to try weight releasers you can really get a good idea of how that works, you'd be amazed at how fast you can move maximal weights once you learn how to develop a good rate of force development. For speed work to really pay off too you have to be very to dedicate a longer stretch of your training to it so that your body actually learns the rate of force development that your trying to teach it.
brownstown89
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ive used some bands on bench b4 it does force u to stay tight. i might add them in... my bench is pretty low (265 football bench) is my best.. however my deadlift is 440 so im starting to use bands with those.. maybe when i get my bench back up ill give em a try
killamac27
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For your bench, try this. With a spotter, use the maximum weight that you can safely hold for 20-30 seconds, but keep it a few inches away from your chest, don't extend it. Then slowly move it an inch or two up and down. This is a hybrid isometric/isotonic exercise. It will work the muscles the most at the angle where they are the weakest.
dr mike
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Suggestion:
Try alternating the following;
Day one: Illegally wide bench or Competition grip bench to a 1 or 3 inch pad
Day two: CGB to 1 or 3 inch pad/ Full ROM CGB's
For example if you do Illegally wide benches on day one, then do CBB's to a pad on day two, and if you do competition grip benches to a pad, then do CGB's with a full ROM on the other day.
Some points of interest.
1- pause all of the pad work, in other words don't let the bar sink into the pad before you press. This greatly improves control and triceps strength.
2- when you bench, try to "stretch/ pull the bar apart" throughout the lift.
3- in addition you will need to develop tension throughout you entire body with the proper arch and leg drive during the lift.
4- work you upper back with heavy 1 arm DB rows and/ or parallel grip chins. Nothing fancy here just the basics .
Try alternating the following;
Day one: Illegally wide bench or Competition grip bench to a 1 or 3 inch pad
Day two: CGB to 1 or 3 inch pad/ Full ROM CGB's
For example if you do Illegally wide benches on day one, then do CBB's to a pad on day two, and if you do competition grip benches to a pad, then do CGB's with a full ROM on the other day.
Some points of interest.
1- pause all of the pad work, in other words don't let the bar sink into the pad before you press. This greatly improves control and triceps strength.
2- when you bench, try to "stretch/ pull the bar apart" throughout the lift.
3- in addition you will need to develop tension throughout you entire body with the proper arch and leg drive during the lift.
4- work you upper back with heavy 1 arm DB rows and/ or parallel grip chins. Nothing fancy here just the basics .
codywaters
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Here is a link to some good info on the bench from dave tate... most of you know him, but those who don't he is the chuck norris of strength training.
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brownstown89
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yes great link but i got a question i usually tuck my legs even farther back then dave does to get a better arch i do this because im only 180lbs so i dont get that tightness unless my legs are tucked really far back. so is that ok? my ass and shoulder blades are still on the bench. toes are touching the ground.
codywaters
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I see no reason why it wouldent be ok, Its not illegal, you still have your butt and blades on the bench... I would say your good
brownstown89
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alright that tate video is money tho.. ever since i been doing that the distance the bar travels is less and focus on the lockout is more.. i also switched to a bit wider grip so im working shoulders harder and my bench went down because i switched up form but its way better in the long run.
JeffD
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Depends on what fed you compete in. Your feet have to be flat in some of them.
brownstown89
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well thats not a problem for me really the only problem i have is the commercial gyms the benches are so low to the ground... the one dave uses in his elitefts video is how high mine is where u lie down and your feet touch the ground perfectly. Not with you knees 1/2 mile in the sky if that makes sense?
brownstown89
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i wouldn't do it higher reps because if your form slips one ONE damn rep your F'd... NOw the day you do it depends.. you can do it for an assistance lift after a ME effort.. say you do board press ME then you could do a 5 rep Max on wide grip bench as assistance work.. When i did these i would do 3 x 4-6 rep close grip floor press. then do 5 rep max effort wide grip bench and medicine ball db press to failure. this worked real well for an assitance DE day
brownstown89
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you DEFFINTELY want to work up to a 5 Rep max..what really works is if u pause 3 seconds with a wide grip not EXTRMELY wide. but just wide grip pause 3 seconds and up. it will build nasty strength of ur chest.. my assistance day goes like this
board press
2 x 3, or 2 x 5
or Wide Grip 5 rep max
or Close grip of the floor. etc.. as the main movement.
codywaters
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Hold on a second... I though we were talking powerlifting here... why do you want to do more then 5 reps? I think you need to stick with the 5-3-1 program, or possibly sheko...but that may be WAY too much for you.. its extream....6 weeks of hell, but if you pass the mountain you will come out the other side a man...
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brownstown89
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and back work should be ROWS ROWS ROWS DB or barbelll.. none of that seated pulls or machines or lat pulldown ****.