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Guidance to SERM

JIXXER said:
^^^^^^......I'm looking for your answer CrazyChemist...?
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My apologies sir. Bogged down with pre-holiday paperwork.

So to answer the question.....

40mg requires exactly 0.67mL according to our calculations, right? (Actually it requires 0.6666666666....., i.e. 2/3 of one mL) Let's see what happens if we round to 0.6 and to 0.7.

(1800mg/30mL)*0.6mL = 36mg

(1800mg/30mL)*0.7mL = 42mg

So by rounding you get +/- 0.5mg about, which is perfectly within the margin of error. Consider how differently everyones body chemistry is, how differently each solution may have been prepared, etc. With all those variables up in the air there is no reason to be concerned about being more accurate with the measurement than that. I therefore recommend rounding to the nearest 0.1 (e.g. 0.7 for the calculation above)
 
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Excellent....sry about the nagging...just wanted clarification.

I figured that might be the route to go, I just didn't want to post it without conformation!

Thankx again...and MERRY CHRISTMAS:kiss: NO HOMO...
 
My Torem is 50mg/ml. I'm about to start a cycle of Pplex here in a week or two. What would you guys recommend as far as dosing. I've never used Torem before and there seems to be alot of conflicting info on the dosages.

I was thinking:
100mg or 2ml for the first few days
50mg or 1ml ed for two weeks
25mg or .5ml ed for two weeks.
 
JIXXER said:
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Excellent....sry about the nagging...just wanted clarification.

I figured that might be the route to go, I just didn't want to post it without conformation!

Thankx again...and MERRY CHRISTMAS:kiss: NO HOMO...
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no problem. not nagging at all you can feel free to get my attention like that i dont care. And i been dying to think of a reason to use the :kiss: smiley. Happy holidays bro.
 
Mikey851 said:
My Torem is 50mg/ml. I'm about to start a cycle of Pplex here in a week or two. What would you guys recommend as far as dosing. I've never used Torem before and there seems to be alot of conflicting info on the dosages.

I was thinking:
100mg or 2ml for the first few days
50mg or 1ml ed for two weeks
25mg or .5ml ed for two weeks.
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You're going to want to factor in the citrate. refer to my post earlier in this thread and you'll figure out that 100 mg's torem will require more than 2 ml's of torem citrate
 
indianballer said:
You're going to want to factor in the citrate. refer to my post earlier in this thread and you'll figure out that 100 mg's torem will require more than 2 ml's of torem citrate
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I'm an idiot haha. I just got done posting that about Tamoxifen of course it applies to Torem too. Thanks man.
 
Just swallow the SERM, its not that much fluid. Maybe 1cc at most. If you mix it you might not get the same absorption qualities when it hits your stomach. Just put the dropper all the way in the back of your mouth so that you dont taste it. Most SERMS are nasty as sh**. Man up. lol
 
CrazyChemist said:
yup ^^ or you could just skip the middle step, i.e. -

volume to take = (desired mg) / (total mg / total ml)
example: vol = 40mg / (1800mg/30mL) = 0.67mL

OR

volume to take = (desired mg) / (concentration in mg/ml)
example: vol = 40mg / (60 mg/mL) = 0.67mL

EDIT: The first equation can be rearranged as follows:

vol to take = (desired mg * total mL) / total mg = (40mg * 30mL)/(1800mg)=0.67mL
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so if i wanted 90mg of torem i would do 90mg/(1800mg/30ml)=1.5ml, that sounds like a lot, one full 1ml syringe plus another half full?
 
dothereject said:
so if i wanted 90mg of torem i would do 90mg/(1800mg/30ml)=1.5ml, that sounds like a lot, one full 1ml syringe plus another half full?
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Yeah thats correct. Think of it this way, if 1800mg in 30mL then 60mg/mL. That means one milliliter contains 60mg. You want 90mg. So one milliliter isn't enough. If one milliliter has 60mg then half a milliliter has 60/2 mg, 30mg. 60mg + 30mg = 90mg OR 1mL + 0.5mL = 1.5mL. So 1.5mL is correct. Agreed?
 
CrazyChemist said:
Yeah thats correct. Think of it this way, if 1800mg in 30mL then 60mg/mL. That means one milliliter contains 60mg. You want 90mg. So one milliliter isn't enough. If one milliliter has 60mg then half a milliliter has 60/2 mg, 30mg. 60mg + 30mg = 90mg OR 1mL + 0.5mL = 1.5mL. So 1.5mL is correct. Agreed?
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yea, im doing 90/60/30/30 with a 30ml bottle of torem, will that bottle be enough for the four weeks?
 
ahh here is how i calculate that,

90/60/30/30 - add them all together, so 90+60+30+30=210mg times 7 days of the week = 1470mg total. So then put that total dosage into the equation from before:

1470mg/(1800mg/30mL) = 24.5mL

So.... you are correct.
 
CrazyChemist said:
ahh here is how i calculate that,

90/60/30/30 - add them all together, so 90+60+30+30=210mg times 7 days of the week = 1470mg total. So then put that total dosage into the equation from before:

1470mg/(1800mg/30mL) = 24.5mL

So.... you are correct.
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Wow, that's a much simpler way than I've been doing it! Given, I get the same answer it just takes me longer. Haha!
 
Sooo, off topic question but when obtaining serms are research chemicals as good as the India/Asia pharmacies, I just hear sometimes people get bunk stuff from research chems
 
I'm confused with the Torem dosing. Is 60mg of Toremifene the same as 60mg of Toremifene Citrate?
 
jayts22 said:
Sooo, off topic question but when obtaining serms are research chemicals as good as the India/Asia pharmacies, I just hear sometimes people get bunk stuff from research chems
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I've had reasonable success with SERMs from research companies. Make sure you use one that is reputable.
 
NRM102 said:
I'm confused with the Torem dosing. Is 60mg of Toremifene the same as 60mg of Toremifene Citrate?
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There is no such thing as just toremifene. Toremifene is a cationic species (positively charged), thus it needs to be neutralized by an anionic species (negatively charged) of equivalent charge magnitude.

Now, if you use different anions then the molecular weight of the overall species will change. Let's just say for argument sake that the toremifene cation is 100 daltons (a dalton is a unit of weight in science for atoms and molecules) and the anion is 100 daltons. Then a 200mg dose contains 100mg toremifene and 100mg anion. If the toremifene weighs 100 daltons and the anion weighs 200 daltons and you take a 200mg dose, then the toremifene is 67mg and the anion is 133mg.

Got it?
 
CrazyChemist said:
There is no such thing as just toremifene. Toremifene is a cationic species (positively charged), thus it needs to be neutralized by an anionic species (negatively charged) of equivalent charge magnitude.

Now, if you use different anions then the molecular weight of the overall species will change. Let's just say for argument sake that the toremifene cation is 100 daltons (a dalton is a unit of weight in science for atoms and molecules) and the anion is 100 daltons. Then a 200mg dose contains 100mg toremifene and 100mg anion. If the toremifene weighs 100 daltons and the anion weighs 200 daltons and you take a 200mg dose, then the toremifene is 67mg and the anion is 133mg.

Got it?
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Ok so when the bottle says 1ml equals 60mg, that 60mg is the amount that people are refering to when the say they took a 60mg dose?
 
NRM102 said:
Ok so when the bottle says 1ml equals 60mg, that 60mg is the amount that people are refering to when the say they took a 60mg dose?
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correct.

dothereject said:
can u mix torem with other liquids to get rid of the bad taste? or is it best to just take the torem alone
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you can mix it but dont pre-make the mix. Mix it and drink it right away. In other words, dont take the 30mL or 60mL bottle and pour it into a carton of OJ. One, this could negatively affect anyone looking for some OJ and two it will lose activity. Instead, pour a glass of OJ, add the 1.5mL and then down it all.
 
Anyone have any experience with IR's Toremiphene? What about using Toremiphene as a PCT for a Tren/Halo cycle?

Thanks in advance.
 
Chemist...I just got my Torem in today. Opened it up and to my surprise it's not the consistency that I was expecting. It's almost like a lotion, except not as thick as lotion would be. It's still a liquid, just nothing like water or oil. The bottle also came with a pump. Any thoughts on this?
 
Cassavus said:
Chemist...I just got my Torem in today. Opened it up and to my surprise it's not the consistency that I was expecting. It's almost like a lotion, except not as thick as lotion would be. It's still a liquid, just nothing like water or oil. The bottle also came with a pump. Any thoughts on this?
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Umm.... there is a topical toremifene. Is there a brand name on it like Fareston or Acapodene or something else?
 
Nope, it just says Toremifene Citrate. I'm almost positive Jixxer got the same one as me.
 
Yea I did...if we ordered from the same place...:1244:

It's not topical its oral...

I sent you a PM CASS...let me know how it turns out....mine was the same...PCT

was a breeze and great....I've retained all my gains...this stack was good to me

+20lbs:shocked: to my body weight...sweetness...round 2 is going to be awesome...230

here I come... :006:
 
JIXXER said:
Yea I did...if we ordered from the same place...:1244:

It's not topical its oral...

I sent you a PM CASS...let me know how it turns out....mine was the same...PCT

was a breeze and great....I've retained all my gains...this stack was good to me

+20lbs:shocked: to my body weight...sweetness...round 2 is going to be awesome...230

here I come... :006:
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Jix was yours thick like a lotion?
 
JIXXER said:
Yea I did...if we ordered from the same place...:1244:

It's not topical its oral...

I sent you a PM CASS...let me know how it turns out....mine was the same...PCT

was a breeze and great....I've retained all my gains...this stack was good to me

+20lbs:shocked: to my body weight...sweetness...round 2 is going to be awesome...230

here I come... :006:
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Thanks for clearing that up Jixxer! Chemist, I appreciate your help on the matter. Just wanted to be sure I was ready to go. :)
 
I don't want to hijack this thread or anything, but it seems like everyone has there questions answered and this should still fall under "guidance to SERM"


I saw that you are pretty knowledgeable on the topic and I have a quick question. I have some nipple puffiness that has been left over from a Ep/Tren cycle from over a year ago. I am planning on running a Hdrol/Tren cycle with all of the proper support supps, 1-carboxy, vitex, 5-p-5, cycle assist etc, but I am unsure of how to dose the Letro or Exemestane.

I have read that it's best to start the Letro two weeks before my PH cycle starts and then to taper it down after another week or so. My concern is with the estrogen rebound. I will have Toremifene ready as a SERM, but I won't be using it until the end of my 6 week PH cycle. What do you suggest I use to keep the estrogen rebound in check after using Letro for a couple weeks in the beginning of my cycle?

Or would you suggest a different route for getting rid of the nipple puffiness that I have now, and keeping it off throughout my cycle?

Thanks in advance.
 
so i just finished my ph cycle today, i had my last pill at 3pm. do i start my torem tonight or should i wait till tomorrow night to start
 
dothereject said:
so i just finished my ph cycle today, i had my last pill at 3pm. do i start my torem tonight or should i wait till tomorrow night to start
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I've always started PCT the following day......I dont think dosing final dose and PCT on the same day is a good idea.....sounds pretty counter productive.....start PCT the following day....and if taking a SERM I usually wait till early evening to take.....I'm sure there are other opinions...but this way is unique because this one is mine.....:booty:
 
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