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Mdrol, Pplex, and gyno

NateScoggs34

NateScoggs34

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For my next cycle i have a bottle of Mdrol and Pplex. I am trying to decide what the best route to go is based on yalls personal experience...

1. Cycle Mdrol 4 wks
2. Pulse Mdrol 8 wks
3. Mdrol Pplex Stack 6 wks

What do yall think?... Best strength gains? Size? Sides?

Also, I just got my shipment of Nolvadex in for PCT but have questions about gyno- its the main side effect i am worried about (as i assume is for everyone else).
What are the percentages like of people producing gyno from the compounds i and cycles i mentioned? Like is everyone on here just knowing they are probably going to develope it and deal with paying for surgery or is it a very small occurance that only comes up when someone doesnt have their PCT in line with a SERM...? Ive researched about all of the causes and prevention techniques but ive just been curious as to what the likelihood of developing gyno is.

Thanks in advance.
 
You shouldn't get gyno while on cycle and if you PCT properly you shouldn't get gyno...
Go with a m-drol/p-plex bridge...
 
Alright thanks man, so basically if im taking my nolvadex i dont need to worry about gyno?

Is the mdrol pplex bridge real hardcore? I finished pplex @ 4wks and saw extreme gains... i just dont see how you basically put a mdrol cycle and a pplex cycle together not eff your **** up ya know? i mean if you can do that then why cant you just cycle mdrol for 7 wks instead of a mdrol- pplex bridge for 7 weeks ya know?

Whats an example mdrol pplex bridge dosage that you recommend? Ive been reading a few of yall guys' threads on the same bridge and thats what got me interested instead of just a normal cycle of one of the two. The benefit to this is that mdrol gives size and pplex gives more strength, correct?
 
i am always hesitant when people stack more than one methyl because it is so hard on the liver. even more so if you do it for 6 WEEKS! i would recommend doing what vidapreta says and do a bridge of the two.

***here*** is an excellent write up on what you need for pct. if you are going to do a bridge of mdrol and pplex you pretty much HAVE to have a serm otherwise you will get gyno. i also like to keep a serm handy during the cycle if i start to get early signs of gyno like my last cycle i did (mdrol bridge to pplex with tren and m14add). novadex xt is not near enough of a pct for this big of a cycle.
 
rocketman123 said:
i am always hesitant when people stack more than one methyl because it is so hard on the liver. even more so if you do it for 6 WEEKS! i would recommend doing what vidapreta says and do a bridge of the two.

here is an excellent write up on what you need for pct. if you are going to do a bridge of mdrol and pplex you pretty much HAVE to have a serm otherwise you will get gyno. i also like to keep a serm handy during the cycle if i start to get early signs of gyno like my last cycle i did (mdrol bridge to pplex with tren and m14add). novadex xt is not near enough of a pct for this big of a cycle.
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Ok ill def give that a read. Yeah i have the real Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) not XT bc i know that doesnt have a SERM... Thanks for the info, what type of dosage should i go for on the bridge? also, how is bridge different from a stack?
 
oh sweet! Yeah have that on hand for during the cycle. I would recomment getting toremifene citrate for pct and just have the nolva for during the stack. I have been reading that nolva can cause delayed gyno (gyno comes back after you finish pct) and toremifene is a better serm than nolva and a better LH booster than clomid. I can actually feel my nuts coming back to life hahaha. its a weird feeling!

Dosagewise, how many cycles have you run before? ive run a few so i have to go with a higher dose on stuff. Heres what i ran for my bridge:

Superdrol: 010/020/030/040/000/000/000
Pheraplex: 000/000/000/010/030/040/050
Tren: 030/060/090/120/120/120/120
M14ad: 150/300/450/600/600/600/600

For some reason it takes a higher dose of stuff to get the same growth for me compared to other people on here so if this is your first big cycle i would run superdrol at 10/10/20 (going up to 20 only if you dont have ANY sides) and then add pplex at 10mg the third week with the 20mg mdrol and run that for 4 weeks total so you would have a 6 week stack. Something like this:

superdrol: 10/10/20/00/00/00
pplex: 00/00/10/10-or-20/20-or30/30

these seem to be the average doses for each from all the posts i have read about them.
Throwing in tren is sweet too since its not a methyl and it just makes your gains that much better. i wouldnt go higher than 90mg unless you have done it before. run it all the way through
 
bridge means you take one methyl ph for a few weeks then stop taking that one and switch to another one, with a transition between them to give the body a little time to start using the second one. usually a strong ph is run first (in this case superdrol) and a lighter duty one is run second to help solidify the gains of the first ph and hold onto them longer. superdrol especially because you gain a lot from it but it is hard to keep those gains when you are off of it.

A stack is a general term that just means you are using more than one ph for a cycle. For example (not using phs), you stack creatine and citrulline malate (take them at the same time) since citrulline potentiates creatine and increases its uptake.
 
rocketman123 said:
Superdrol: 010/020/030/040/000/000/000
Pheraplex: 000/000/000/010/030/040/050
Tren: 030/060/090/120/120/120/120
M14ad: 150/300/450/600/600/600/600
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jesus thats a hell of a cycle.. how much did u gain(weight strength)? what were the sides like.. u must have been shutdown to all hell.. were u able to use your **** on cycle... and finally what did your pct look like?
 
rocketman123 said:
oh sweet! Yeah have that on hand for during the cycle. I would recomment getting toremifene citrate for pct and just have the nolva for during the stack. I have been reading that nolva can cause delayed gyno (gyno comes back after you finish pct) and toremifene is a better serm than nolva and a better LH booster than clomid. I can actually feel my nuts coming back to life hahaha. its a weird feeling!

Dosagewise, how many cycles have you run before? ive run a few so i have to go with a higher dose on stuff. Heres what i ran for my bridge:

Superdrol: 010/020/030/040/000/000/000
Pheraplex: 000/000/000/010/030/040/050
Tren: 030/060/090/120/120/120/120
M14ad: 150/300/450/600/600/600/600

For some reason it takes a higher dose of stuff to get the same growth for me compared to other people on here so if this is your first big cycle i would run superdrol at 10/10/20 (going up to 20 only if you dont have ANY sides) and then add pplex at 10mg the third week with the 20mg mdrol and run that for 4 weeks total so you would have a 6 week stack. Something like this:

superdrol: 10/10/20/00/00/00
pplex: 00/00/10/10-or-20/20-or30/30

these seem to be the average doses for each from all the posts i have read about them.
Throwing in tren is sweet too since its not a methyl and it just makes your gains that much better. i wouldnt go higher than 90mg unless you have done it before. run it all the way through
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So this would last 6 weeks right? im kind of confused above bc it looks like it would only be 4 weeks...

Would this be a good dosage as a second ph cycle (first being hdrol @ 50/50/75/75/75/75)...

superdrol: 10/20/20/00/00/00
p-plex: 00/00/10/20/20/20

PCT: Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
 
superdrol at 20mg/day and phera at 30mg/day for 6 weeks is what I would run. For PCT I would do nolvadex at 40/20/20/10 with Sustain Alpha liqua-vade, Unleashed and Post Cycle by protein factory.
 
Apoxi said:
superdrol at 20mg/day and phera at 30mg/day for 6 weeks is what I would run. For PCT I would do nolvadex at 40/20/20/10 with Sustain Alpha liqua-vade, Unleashed and Post Cycle by protein factory.
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Hold on, so:

SD: 20/20/20/00/00/00
PP: 00/00/30/30/30/30
 
bigzach1234 said:
jesus thats a hell of a cycle.. how much did u gain(weight strength)? what were the sides like.. u must have been shutdown to all hell.. were u able to use your **** on cycle... and finally what did your pct look like?
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Well i started it two weeks after i did a show where i came in at about 168lbs. Before i started dieting for this show i was 230 so i lost about 65lbs at 4lbs a week over about 4-5 months. I lost a HUGE amount of muscle. when i was 230 i was about 185 lean.

When i started this cycle i was about 175 and i finished it up 2 weeks ago and i was about 195. i have a good amount of fat now though because i had just got over the swine flu so i was eating like crap.

Strengthwise, before i started cutting for the show i was benching 300, leg pressing 14 plates a side, and pretty much stacking cable rows and lat pulldowns. After the show, i could barely do a plate a side on bench and could hardly do 5 plates a side on the leg press. I got swine flu the thursday before the show, did the show with a 104 fever hardly able to breathe, and layed off for 2 weeks sleeping 18hrs a day and eating like crap. Now, i am about as strong as i was before i started cutting except im at 200 instead of 230 so im not such a fatty!

PCT is:

Nolva: 10mg a day on cycle (started the third week)
then 40/30/20/20 pct
Clomid: (200 for 3 days then 150)/100/50/50
Liver Fix: double dose (1 dose morning and night)


I ran Cycle Support starting from a week before the cycle started


I am actually still getting stronger almost at the same rate as i did on the cycle and i am in PCT!!! must be the LH boost from the clomid


I started to get sides around the 5th week a little bit but nothing huge. They stopped the day i started pct.


Lol well i dont have a girlfriend at the moment and i am an engineering student so i barely have time to lift let alone hang out with somebody haha so Im not sure how my d*ck worked. Definately got a hard on a lot more during the day which is very awkward! ALso, i didnt have any issues from bloating or crazy water retention or any increased aggression at all. I actually have better pumps in the gym now than i did on cycle!
 
dkwilson16 said:
So this would last 6 weeks right? im kind of confused above bc it looks like it would only be 4 weeks...

Would this be a good dosage as a second ph cycle (first being hdrol @ 50/50/75/75/75/75)...

superdrol: 10/20/20/00/00/00
p-plex: 00/00/10/20/20/20

PCT: Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
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Yeah it would be 6 weeks. Superdrol is weeks 1-3 then stopped, then pplex is started at week 3 and run for 4 weeks. So yeah, what you wrote is correct.

Yeah it would be a pretty good cycle. You may want to run just superdrol by itself and see how you do with it. Some people on here get crazy sides from just 10mg. I didnt even notice it until i was at 30 so everybody is different. If i would have known it didnt do much til then i would have just gone to 30 the second week because gains didnt start coming until about the third week.

If you havnt already bought the nolva, i would suggest running toremifene. Its a better serm than nolva and a better LH booster than clomid so you only have to take one drug instead of two! Plus it hits on the first day you take it and you can feel it! But you may want to run some clomid with the nolva unless you are going to run a natty test booster or something because nolva is just a serm and doesnt raise natty test levels like clomid does (LH booster).
 
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