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It's simply not true that ANY steroid can produce gyno. Show me a case of Anavar causing gyno, or winny. However, some non-aromatizing steroids can nevertheless produce gyno (probably) because they suppress SHBG too much, freeing up the body's own estrogen (and testosterone, which can then aromatize). It's been repoted often enough that Epi produces gyno in certain sensitive individuals that I suspect that Epi also has this characteristic of being a strong SHBG supressing agent.


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crowbar46 said:
It's simply not true that ANY steroid can produce gyno. Show me a case of Anavar causing gyno, or winny. However, some non-aromatizing steroids can nevertheless produce gyno (probably) because they suppress SHBG too much, freeing up the body's own estrogen (and testosterone, which can then aromatize). It's been repoted often enough that Epi produces gyno in certain sensitive individuals that I suspect that Epi also has this characteristic of being a strong SHBG supressing agent.


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With proper pct some are far less likely to cause it. I would not run either Anavar or Winny without a pct.
 
I'm not advocating running Anavar or Winny without a proper PCT; but the question was whether ANY steroid can cause gyno--and no, not any steroid has the potential to cause gyno. A proper PCT is necessary after ANY steroid in order to restore the functioning of the HPTA, not because ANY steroid can cause gyno.

I agree that Halodrol is a good starter compound and pretty mild.

I'm using Protodrol right now with EPI. I'm only about 2 1/2 weeks into the cycle, so I'll reserve judgement for a while, but so far I'm pretty impressed with the Protodrol; very nice strength gains, and a certain aggressiveness. I'm a little surprised by it as I was under the impression that it was a milder "cutting" compound, but I think this could be very effective as a strength compound added to a bulking cycle.


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I hesitate between protodrol and halodrol.
I will take reverstisol during the cycle and after the cycle like pct.
it is possible to have a gyno with halodrol?

Thank you for your answers.
 
athletor said:
I hesitate between protodrol and halodrol.
I will take reverstisol during the cycle and after the cycle like pct.
it is possible to have a gyno with halodrol?

Thank you for your answers.
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Do not take Resversitol during your cycle. Just use it as a pct. H-drol is not known to cause gyno in most cases.
 
H-drol generally seems to have a lower case of gyno reported among users compared to Epi/Havoc if im not wrong.

We really need more discussions on the SHBG/Estrogen on cycle on this board. Wish i paid more attention in science class now lol. But yeh h-drol is mild, milder than Epi as most would agree. As pembroke says use the Resveratrol just for your PCT but dont forget to keep a serm on hand before you start your cycle. Not worth risking things if your not sure how your body will react to any hormone you take.
 
what do you think of 3 AD?
What are the sides effects possible with 3 Ad?
After your answer, I think to make a cyle 3AD/mass fx!
Do I get a lot strength?
 
athletor said:
Mass fx is it a good alternative to prohormone?
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If you really need to ask these questions then you're probably not ready for prohormones anyway. But anyway, good alternative...

You won't see nearly the gains, but I don't think their are any side effects at all from the mass fx because its only a testosterone booster of some sort.
 
can also upregulate estrogen receptors due to lack of estrogen with nonaromatizing compounds which can possible lead to gyno
 
I am plaining to take epistane as long as possible as DR.D preferred the pulse cycle with less negative long and short side effects!
 
I never have gotten gyno before but I did have a small painful hard lump underneath my right nip from M1t and after 2 weeks in a pulsing cycle of epistane it is gone. No pain either.
 
what is the best product between epistane and S-stane?
it is possible to have gyno with epistane on pulsing cycle 3days/week?
I will take reverstisol during the off days!
 
athletor said:
what is the best product between epistane and S-stane?
it is possible to have gyno with epistane on pulsing cycle 3days/week?
I will take reverstisol during the off days!
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I find nothing about S-Stane when I google it sure you have the right name. It is doubtful that you will get gyno on a epi pulse.
 
Athletor: How old are you? You seem to ask the most basic questions that can be answered by a little research. I doubt that you are ready for any such hormonal cycles, much less any cycle. Everyone reacts to compounds differently. Some have reported gyno while using Epistane, and some have reported rebound effect months later. To be honest with you, the theory of pulsing isn't a smart choice (in my honest opinion). The last thing that I would want to do is put my body on a hormonal-rollercoaster. And remember, any compound, has the potential to exaggerate and speed up any imbalances that you may have. This is why getting the proper blood-work done as well as a complete hormonal panel to evaluate such things is the smartest thing that you can do for yourself.
 
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Athletor: How old are you? You seem to ask the most basic questions that can be answered by a little research. I doubt that you are ready for any such hormonal cycles, much less any cycle. Everyone reacts to compounds differently. Some have reported gyno while using Epistane, and some have reported rebound effect months later. To be honest with you, the theory of pulsing isn't a smart choice (in my honest opinion). The last thing that I would want to do is put my body on a hormonal-rollercoaster. And remember, any compound, has the potential to exaggerate and speed up any imbalances that you may have. This is why getting the proper blood-work done as well as a complete hormonal panel to evaluate such things is the msartest thing that you can do for yourself.
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I agree 100% with this. You are not ready yet. Research and research more. Knowledge will be your best friend. Good luck.
 
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just ran thru your post history

all your post consists of asking if each PH causes gyno

sounds like you dont really know what your doing and should research more...
 
grigs said:
i got more sides from epi 8weeks cycle than sdrol 4week cycle
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Which sides may I ask? Did you have bloodwork done before and after? Because I call BS on everything you have said. Epistane is so frickin mild in every way its not even funny.
 
Blacktail said:
Which sides may I ask? Did you have bloodwork done before and after? Because I call BS on everything you have said. Epistane is so frickin mild in every way its not even funny.
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That is not true plenty of people get gyno from it.
 
Blacktail said:
BS. DO you even know what gyno is?
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You need to do more research, man. Any compound that promotes an anabolic environment through raising any hormone, LH, lowering estrogen can and will cause certain ill-sides such as breast tenderness, breast tissue development, as well as puffiness of the nipple (plus other sides).
 
Iron Lungz said:
You need to do more research, man. Any compound that promotes an anabolic environment through raising any hormone, LH, lowering estrogen can and will cause certain ill-sides such as breast tenderness, breast tissue development as well as puffiness of the nipple (plus other sides).
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Those effects you mentioned while symptoms (with the exception of breast tissue development, specifically enlargement of the mammary gland ) of gyno are not contained to gyno exclusively. I have researched thanks lol. The fact remains is that MOST people especially on this site have no clue what entails gyno. Ill-sides yes. Full Blown gyno....I highly doubt it.
 
Blacktail said:
Those effects you mentioned while symptoms (with the exception of breast tissue development, specifically enlargement of the mammary gland ) of gyno are not contained to gyno exclusively. I have researched thanks lol. The fact remains is that MOST people especially on this site have no clue what entails gyno. Ill-sides yes. Full Blown gyno....I highly doubt it.
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Science is science; there's no illusion to it. If tissue is growing, it's called gyno. Period.
 
Iron Lungz said:
Science is science; there's no illusion to it. If tissue is growing, it's called gyno. Period.
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Is that not what I just said pretty much lol? The itchiness, puffiness lactation or soreness though is not necessarily gyno. Most people attribute those signs to gyno though. It also has to be specific glandular tissue as well.
 
Blacktail said:
Is that not what I just said pretty much lol? The itchiness, puffiness lactation or soreness though is not necessarily gyno. Most people attribute those signs to gyno though. It also has to be specific glandular tissue as well.
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No, it's what I said to begin with. I think this argument is stale - let's move on.
 
superdrol is less androgenic that epistane!
superdrol is 20 and epistane is 90!
superdrol is too androgenic that anavar (24)!
therefore there are less sides effects with superdrol that epistane.
 
athletor said:
superdrol is less androgenic that epistane!
superdrol is 20 and epistane is 90!
superdrol is too androgenic that anavar (24)!
therefore there are less sides effects with superdrol that epistane.
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a bad assumption. the more androgenic the compound is, the more profound the androgenic sides are. But, there are many other factors that go into superdrol and epistane. i know calf pumps isn't an androgenic side.
 
athletor said:
superdrol is less androgenic that epistane!
superdrol is 20 and epistane is 90!
superdrol is too androgenic that anavar (24)!
therefore there are less sides effects with superdrol that epistane.
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First of all, I don't believe any of those compounds are very androgenic, but are very anabolic in nature. Second, just because something has lower androgenic sides doesn't make it safer. Superdrol is probably the most toxic steroid of all the orals available now.

If you are determined to use oral steroids then search and you will find H-drol, P-Mag, or Epistane to be the favored choice for a first run.

For some reason, when you post, I imagine you to have a strong Italian accent.
 
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