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Rate My P-Plex Cycle

TheDarkHalf

TheDarkHalf

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Previous Cycle Exp: 1 Epi run at 20/30/40/40/50/60

Proposed Cycle:

P-Plex @ 20-30/30/40/40
Formestane 0/50/100/100/100/50/
Cycle Assist as directed

PCT:

Torem 60/60/60/60
DTP as Directed
Reduce XT as Directed
Cycle Assist as directed

And all the regulars of course. What do you guys think?
 
i think it looks pretty good. i would just suggest (if your not already doing so) start taking cycle assist a week or two prior to your cycle. also some advice that i have been told when it comes to reduce xt was to start it the last two weeks of the pct.

also fyi, your taking cycle assist throughout cycle and pct which is good...what about pct assist as well? itll help wit test levels. or maybe another natty T...IMO

go0d luck, when do u plan on starting this?
 
wiseguy15 said:
i think it looks pretty good. i would just suggest (if your not already doing so) start taking cycle assist a week or two prior to your cycle. also some advice that i have been told when it comes to reduce xt was to start it the last two weeks of the pct.

also fyi, your taking cycle assist throughout cycle and pct which is good...what about pct assist as well? itll help wit test levels. or maybe another natty T...IMO

go0d luck, when do u plan on starting this?
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Yeah I made that mistake with my epi cycle. Didn't preload and had minor headaches throughout. So i'll be correcting that this time around.

Thanks for the heads up with reduce XT!

I just don't think PCT Assist will be necessary. The foremestane will be ran two weeks into PCT. Plus with DTP and Torem I don't think I should have any problems getting test back to where it should be. If I throw in anything else, I MAY throw in PCS. Maybe even a bottle of 2nd gear since I have an extra one lying around.

I plan on starting sometime after Jan 24. My bday is the 24th so I want to be able to drink as I don't drink a drop when i'm on. I'm also a bouncer on the weekends so I don't get to drink much anyhow. So i'll go out on the 22nd and start my cycle on the 25th.

Thanks for your advice. Other opinions, discussions, and debates are welcomed.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Yeah I made that mistake with my epi cycle. Didn't preload and had minor headaches throughout. So i'll be correcting that this time around.

Thanks for the heads up with reduce XT!

I just don't think PCT Assist will be necessary. The foremestane will be ran two weeks into PCT. Plus with DTP and Torem I don't think I should have any problems getting test back to where it should be. If I throw in anything else, I MAY throw in PCS. Maybe even a bottle of 2nd gear since I have an extra one lying around.

I plan on starting sometime after Jan 24. My bday is the 24th so I want to be able to drink as I don't drink a drop when i'm on. I'm also a bouncer on the weekends so I don't get to drink much anyhow. So i'll go out on the 22nd and start my cycle on the 25th.

Thanks for your advice. Other opinions, discussions, and debates are welcomed.
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I don't think you should take the 2nd gear. You don't want to suppress estrogen too much. Also maybe give a little more time before you start you cycle after you go out drinking (this is assuming you drink birthday proportions). If you only have 5-6 beers you will probably be okay.
 
Mikey851 said:
I don't think you should take the 2nd gear. You don't want to suppress estrogen too much. Also maybe give a little more time before you start you cycle after you go out drinking (this is assuming you drink birthday proportions). If you only have 5-6 beers you will probably be okay.
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Yeah i'm going out on a friday and will start the cycle on monday. Plenty of time to recover.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Here is my rebuttal.
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Well that is true but you would only need it if you had too much estrogen such as if you used M14add which can aromatize to estrogen.

Even though people say Pplex provides "wet gains" it is not supposed to aromatize.

Trust me i've had the same thoughts as you, but after researching it, it appears the general consensus is to just let Pherplex do it's thing bloat or not and take full advantage of it's ability as a bulker. Some say with the right diet it's great to cut on as well.

I am about to start a cycle of Pplex in 1 week as well and it looks like this:

Pplex: 20/30/30/30 (maybe 40)

PCT:
Recycle
Torem
Reduce XT

Edit: I have an AI in case I notice effects of increased estrogen through PCT but will only take as necessary; my joints dry out really bad if I'm not careful. IMO you should use the Formestane as part of PCT and it will accomplish what you want it to.
 
Mikey851 said:
Well that is true but you would only need it if you had too much estrogen such as if you used M14add which can aromatize to estrogen.

Even though people say Pplex provides "wet gains" it is not supposed to aromatize.

Trust me i've had the same thoughts as you, but after researching it, it appears the general consensus is to just let Pherplex do it's thing bloat or not and take full advantage of it's ability as a bulker. Some say with the right diet it's great to cut on as well.

I am about to start a cycle of Pplex in 1 week as well and it looks like this:

Pplex: 20/30/30/30 (maybe 40)

PCT:
Recycle
Torem
Reduce XT

Edit: I have an AI in case I notice effects of increased estrogen through PCT but will only take as necessary; my joints dry out really bad if I'm not careful. IMO you should use the Formestane as part of PCT and it will accomplish what you want it to.
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P-Plex may however suppress SHBG to such a degree that the estrogen bound to it frees up (as well as testosterone). The testosterone that is unbound from the suppression of SHBG could aromatize, and foremestane could help combat this. That could also be why people see gyno from the non-armatizing compounds.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
P-Plex may however suppress SHBG to such a degree that the estrogen bound to it frees up (as well as testosterone). The testosterone that is unbound from the suppression of SHBG could aromatize, and foremestane could help combat this. That could also be why people see gyno from the non-armatizing compounds.
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Yeah, i'm sure either way you'll see gains. I just prefer to wait until I see symptoms of high estrogen to use an AI; but then again that's coming from my experience with TRT not with PH/DS.
 
Ju1cedUp said:
well thats from a rep, of course he supports it. bottom line, lower the estrogen, smaller the gains. when formestane is used ALONE it indirectly raises natural test, ur test is not going to be there, it will be plex.
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Mikey851 said:
Yeah, i'm sure either way you'll see gains. I just prefer to wait until I see symptoms of high estrogen to use an AI; but then again that's coming from my experience with TRT not with PH/DS.
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I appreciate your thoughts guys. I have some time to change things up if I desire, so we'll see what happens.

I'm still up in the air with what to do with the formestane. Might just save it for PCT.

More thoughts and opinions welcomed.
 
This has all been interesting. I see valid points from everyone, as there will always be a depate among similar topics. I am fairly new to formestane and when to use it. I have some and have been told to use it in the final 2 weeks of my H/Mdrol cycle and run it into the first 2 weeks of PCT. I have CLomid, as well as Nolva for PCT and I'm going to run a little Supress C. My question is, on that cycle besides Clomid and Nolva, are the other two necessary, optional, or not a good idea? If used how would you use them? Sorry, I kind messed up your thread, I really didn't mean to go on. I figured we were both a little unsure on how and what exactly to use fro PCT. Just PM me if I crossed the line. Thanks.
 
SERM, anti-cortisol, a.i, and testbooster = most textbook effective pct. One can get by often times with just a SERM (Nolvadex, Comid) and a testbooster (PCT Assist, Prime, Stoked) but the more complete PCT is the more likely one is to keep all (or more) of their gains. So is an A.I (fromastane, 6-bromo) or an Anti-Cortisol (Suppress-C, DHEA, 7-KETO-DHEA) 'needed' to recover? Most of the time no, but they can speed up the process of complete recovery.The faster you get E in check, T as high as possible and cortisol low - the happier your new muscles are.

I would tapper Formastane down from week 3 of PCT to 2 weeks after PCT 100mg/100mg/50mg/25mg
 
Tansui said:
SERM, anti-cortisol, a.i, and testbooster = most textbook effective pct. One can get by often times with just a SERM (Nolvadex, Comid) and a testbooster (PCT Assist, Prime, Stoked) but the more complete PCT is the more likely one is to keep all (or more) of their gains. So is an A.I (fromastane, 6-bromo) or an Anti-Cortisol (Suppress-C, DHEA, 7-KETO-DHEA) 'needed' to recover? Most of the time no, but they can speed up the process of complete recovery.The faster you get E in check, T as high as possible and cortisol low - the happier your new muscles are.

I would tapper Formastane down from week 3 of PCT to 2 weeks after PCT 100mg/100mg/50mg/25mg
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Tapering down the formestane at the end of PCT would definately be how you would use an AI if you were going to do it; that will at least protect from rebound estrogen in theory. If someone wants to control E without lowering it too much I think Sustain Alpha or similar product works really well to modulate E and provide hormonal balance.
 
boxrocker said:
This has all been interesting. I see valid points from everyone, as there will always be a depate among similar topics. I am fairly new to formestane and when to use it. I have some and have been told to use it in the final 2 weeks of my H/Mdrol cycle and run it into the first 2 weeks of PCT. I have CLomid, as well as Nolva for PCT and I'm going to run a little Supress C. My question is, on that cycle besides Clomid and Nolva, are the other two necessary, optional, or not a good idea? If used how would you use them? Sorry, I kind messed up your thread, I really didn't mean to go on. I figured we were both a little unsure on how and what exactly to use fro PCT. Just PM me if I crossed the line. Thanks.
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Yeah i've also heard that the formestane should be tapered off as well as any AI should. Taper up and then taper off. Cortisol control you can probably start the 2nd-3rd week of PCT.

Tansui said:
SERM, anti-cortisol, a.i, and testbooster = most textbook effective pct. One can get by often times with just a SERM (Nolvadex, Comid) and a testbooster (PCT Assist, Prime, Stoked) but the more complete PCT is the more likely one is to keep all (or more) of their gains. So is an A.I (fromastane, 6-bromo) or an Anti-Cortisol (Suppress-C, DHEA, 7-KETO-DHEA) 'needed' to recover? Most of the time no, but they can speed up the process of complete recovery.The faster you get E in check, T as high as possible and cortisol low - the happier your new muscles are.

I would tapper Formastane down from week 3 of PCT to 2 weeks after PCT 100mg/100mg/50mg/25mg
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Would also add Reduce XT to the list of good cort blockers.

Mikey851 said:
Tapering down the formestane at the end of PCT would definately be how you would use an AI if you were going to do it; that will at least protect from rebound estrogen in theory.
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Agreed.

dugan661 said:
looks good
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Thanks man.


Now genetlemen if we can return to the discussion at hand.... :hijacked:

I'd like some more opinions on my cycle and what people think about using formestane during cycle or just in PCT or not at all.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Now genetlemen if we can return to the discussion at hand.... :hijacked:

I'd like some more opinions on my cycle and what people think about using formestane during cycle or just in PCT or not at all.
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we HAVE been saying that the formestane should be used in pct and started the 3rd week and tapered off:)
 
Sorry dude! I didn't even say what I wanted to about your cycle, It does look good. I like the dosing. The PCT looks good as well, it seemed that we were both unsure on how or if to use the AI if we had a SERM. Good Luck, I'm already sub'd for this one!
 
TheDarkHalf said:
I'd like some more opinions on my cycle and what people think about using formestane during cycle or just in PCT or not at all.
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I say after the cycle during pct if you want AI on cycle i would maybe consider stacking epi the last 3 weeks
 
boxrocker said:
Sorry dude! I didn't even say what I wanted to about your cycle, It does look good. I like the dosing. The PCT looks good as well, it seemed that we were both unsure on how or if to use the AI if we had a SERM. Good Luck, I'm already sub'd for this one!
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No worries and thanks for your .02

I think I remember seeing a chart somewhere that as you taper off of the serm you should be tapering up the AI or vice versa. If I can find it i'll link it.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
No worries and thanks for your .02

I think I remember seeing a chart somewhere that as you taper off of the serm you should be tapering up the AI or vice versa. If I can find it i'll link it.
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Instead of tapering up and down just start high and taper down. If it was letro or arimidex it might be different but Form or 6bromo aren't overly strong.
 
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