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Mild PH's that are somewhat safer from the rest... (If there is a thing)

ShapiroMD

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Yea I'm getting tired of trying test boosters and all these products that don't do anything. Don't get me wrong the test boosters actually made me feel better, increased my sex drive, felt like I could do more in the gym. But the results on paper makes me question if it would've been that much better than placebo for the $$$ involved... Anyways I'm looking at PHs for a while and been reading a lot of these threads on various forums.

What are the more inexpensive shorter-term PHs out there? I'm kinda scared if it would damaged my organs (kidney + liver) And leave some kinda of permanent damage. Also the whole going bald and balls shrinkage :)


I have nolvadex 20mg's on hand for PCT, along with a generic BP med just in case my BP spikes. In addition, I'm going to pick up a cycle assist prduct and along with more milk thistle, nac, coq10, fish oil, grape seed extact, hawthorn, celery if needed. I have Taurine powder too.



So is Havoc/Epistane safer than the rest?, I'm not expecting gains you would get from something like superdrol. But want something that is safer, shorter cycle and with results at the end. I was thinking of doing Andro but the cost would've been a lot more and the results would've been mixed.


Also what kind of workout program should You do on a PH cycle to take advantage of the quicker recovery?


P.S. I'm not starting any cycles for at least 3-5+ months...Just curious...
 
ShapiroMD said:
Yea I'm getting tired of trying test boosters and all these products that don't do anything. Don't get me wrong the test boosters actually made me feel better, increased my sex drive, felt like I could do more in the gym. But the results on paper makes me question if it would've been that much better than placebo for the $$$ involved... Anyways I'm looking at PHs for a while and been reading a lot of these threads on various forums.

What are the more inexpensive shorter-term PHs out there? I'm kinda scared if it would damaged my organs (kidney + liver) And leave some kinda of permanent damage. Also the whole going bald and balls shrinkage :)


I have nolvadex 20mg's on hand for PCT, along with a generic BP med just in case my BP spikes. In addition, I'm going to pick up a cycle assist prduct and along with more milk thistle, nac, coq10, fish oil, grape seed extact, hawthorn, celery if needed. I have Taurine powder too.



So is Havoc/Epistane safer than the rest?, I'm not expecting gains you would get from something like superdrol. But want something that is safer, shorter cycle and with results at the end. I was thinking of doing Andro but the cost would've been a lot more and the results would've been mixed.


Also what kind of workout program should You do on a PH cycle to take advantage of the quicker recovery?


P.S. I'm not starting any cycles for at least 3-5+ months...Just curious...
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Just wondering how long have you been lifting weights and what is your diet regiment looking like?
 
s0 this would be your first PH? and you already have a serm on hand? i would agree that Hdrol is pretty mild and you should be good with that if you are looking for something that you will still see gains with and at the same time not many sides.

whats your age, yrs been lifting, weight etc....
 
3-ad,11oxo,hdrol,bold, methyl 1d/methyl masterdrol are all safe first runs IMO. you never hear anything wrong with them if you have nolva only kids who run it at 18 with no pct or a crappy one.
 
Start with something like "the One"

After that ramp it up a little.

But if you want some real advice lets get your stats, workout reg., and diet-down to the meal.

You can take all the **** you want, it wont help if diet and workouts arent in order.
 
phL8Tme said:
Start with something like "the One"

After that ramp it up a little.

But if you want some real advice lets get your stats, workout reg., and diet-down to the meal.

You can take all the **** you want, it wont help if diet and workouts arent in order.
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I seen great recomp and strength gains on The One. No sides either, besides a little back pumps.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
what is "the one" a clone of?
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I believe the one is an original compound designed by AN. Alot of people think it's methyl DHT but it's not according to them. They do say it works similar and through the same pathways which is why on cycle they tell you not to use any supplements containing Saw Palmetto. D-plex is the CEL clone of the one.
 
WolfJFlywheel said:
Does this mean that pct could be otc like with the one?
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That would probably be okay as long as you dosed it the same as AN suggests and didn't cycle for too long. I think sustain alpha would be really good for PCT. I have only ran two cycles; the first one was with The One and I used 2nd gear for pct. The gains were really good but I lost them all. I recently finished a cycle of Pmag and have retained 10 lbs with no change in bodyfat, but I also used a SERM this time.

I liked the nolva; it didn't give me any sides and helped me keep my gains.
 
like always, i'll be supporting epistane here. just taking ur liver support, hawthorne berry, and washing ur face, you'll have a great first cycle
 
Mikey851 said:
That would probably be okay as long as you dosed it the same as AN suggests and didn't cycle for too long. I think sustain alpha would be really good for PCT. I have only ran two cycles; the first one was with The One and I used 2nd gear for pct. The gains were really good but I lost them all. I recently finished a cycle of Pmag and have retained 10 lbs with no change in bodyfat, but I also used a SERM this time.

I liked the nolva; it didn't give me any sides and helped me keep my gains.
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Do you think the pct of 2nd Gear wasnt enough or did something else contribute to the loss of gains in pct?

I have a bottle of The One and a bottle of D-Plex along with multiple bottles of 2nd Gear and Reversitol. I'm not hot on the idea of research chems so I would most likely use a pct consisting of 2nd Gear/BioForge or Reversitol/BioForge along with a few other minor additions.

I have a few bottles of Protodrol as well, which will most likely be my first ph/ds.
 
WolfJFlywheel said:
Do you think the pct of 2nd Gear wasnt enough or did something else contribute to the loss of gains in pct?

I have a bottle of The One and a bottle of D-Plex along with multiple bottles of 2nd Gear and Reversitol. I'm not hot on the idea of research chems so I would most likely use a pct consisting of 2nd Gear/BioForge or Reversitol/BioForge along with a few other minor additions.

I have a few bottles of Protodrol as well, which will most likely be my first ph/ds.
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I reduced calories after the cycle trying to cut some fat and lost my gains in weight; then I moved from Alabama to Texas and that process did not allow me to work out so I lost alot of the strength too.

I think 2nd gear along with a test booster would be fine as long as everything is in check. But, I also think a SERM would have helped me preserve some of those gains better. It's hard to tell though since my diet and workout routine went to s**t.
 
I used 2nd gear, a big bottle of drive, and powerFULL in my PCT for The One. I recovered just fine. Like i said, i had virutally no sides except for some back pumps and big strength increase.

After the cycle, i lost a little bit though. I wouldnt say all my gains, but i lost like 2 reps off my 225 bench press.
 
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