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jmma062803

jmma062803

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okay guys in the planning of doing a pulse cycle of either SD or Spawn 3x/week M-W-F for 6weeks?. my questions are how do you dose it and is 6weeks enough or its to long. and i read Dr. D's Pulse article and said that PCT are not needed? but want to make sure that i will recover from the cycle. so im planning to take, Cycle support, Formex and DTP on my days off? or should i just wait till i finish my cylce? any advise would be nice.
 
jmma062803 said:
okay guys in the planning of doing a pulse cycle of either SD or Spawn 3x/week M-W-F for 6weeks?. my questions are how do you dose it and is 6weeks enough or its to long. and i read Dr. D's Pulse article and said that PCT are not needed? but want to make sure that i will recover from the cycle. so im planning to take, Cycle support, Formex and DTP on my days off? or should i just wait till i finish my cylce? any advise would be nice.
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What's your history of PH use? What are your goals? Do you already have both?
 
You have cycle support and a SERM on hand too?

I know people always recommend slowly building up to two PH's, however, M-Drol is especially harsh so you pretty much have two (well, technically three since Spawn is a combo) of the fiercest PH's produced. Most people report strong gains on both... I don't know, if forced to answer I would say the Spawn.
 
xink said:
You have cycle support and a SERM on hand too?

I know people always recommend slowly building up to two PH's, however, M-Drol is especially harsh so you pretty much have two (well, technically three since Spawn is a combo) of the fiercest PH's produced. Most people report strong gains on both... I don't know, if forced to answer I would say the Spawn.
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thanks for the reply, yes i have cyce support but i dont have serm, so you say that i still need a serm even if im doing pulse?
 
jmma062803 said:
thanks for the reply, yes i have cyce support but i dont have serm, so you say that i still need a serm even if im doing pulse?
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I've gone up to a five week pulse and not needed a serm or any pct for that matter. I have not really lost any size or strength afterward except maybe a couple pounds of fluid loss.
I realize my results may not be typical, so most would probably recommend having a serm available although you may not need it.
 
SRS2000 said:
I've gone up to a five week pulse and not needed a serm or any pct for that matter. I have not really lost any size or strength afterward except maybe a couple pounds of fluid loss.
I realize my results may not be typical, so most would probably recommend having a serm available although you may not need it.
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Thank! i might go and get me a SERM, so which would you think is better for lean mass SD or SPAWN?
 
jmma062803 said:
thanks for the reply, yes i have cyce support but i dont have serm, so you say that i still need a serm even if im doing pulse?
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Oh yeah, I forgot it was a pulse...

That aside, I would still have a SERM on hand just in case - never hurts to be prepared!

Good luck man,

X
 
jmma062803 said:
okay so is this okay?
Wk1 o WK3 M-W-F (M-Drol)
Wk4 to Wk 6? M-W-F(Spawn)
do you think 6 weeks is okay for this kind of pulse?
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I was thinking more like running mdrol straight for 2-3 weeks and then pulsing after that to help maintain gains.

But yea your above plan would def work too. Just make sure you're eating enough cals and lifting hard.
 
Do the M-Drol for a pulse if you're looking for size. It should help you increase and maintain the gains over time. Be sure to up carbs/cals during and in PCT. 20-30mg each "on" day. Since it's a pulse, they say an OTC PCT works, but I always have a SERM on hand. SERMs are cheap, less than OTC, no reason not to have one for your rats. Cycle Support and fishoil throughout, especially for your lipids, they're gonna take a thrashing.

Save the Spawn for a straight cycle next year. I haven't seen much info on tren for a pulse. SERM with this for sure.
 
Milas said:
Do the M-Drol for a pulse if you're looking for size. It should help you increase and maintain the gains over time. Be sure to up carbs/cals during and in PCT. 20-30mg each "on" day. Since it's a pulse, they say an OTC PCT works, but I always have a SERM on hand. SERMs are cheap, less than OTC, no reason not to have one for your rats. Cycle Support and fishoil throughout, especially for your lipids, they're gonna take a thrashing.

Save the Spawn for a straight cycle next year. I haven't seen much info on tren for a pulse. SERM with this for sure.
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Thanks for the info! so can i take PCT on off days? or do i have to wait till i finish the Pulse?
 
TheDarkHalf said:
I was thinking more like running mdrol straight for 2-3 weeks and then pulsing after that to help maintain gains.

But yea your above plan would def work too. Just make sure you're eating enough cals and lifting hard.
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so your saying run m-drol for 2-3 weeks and then pulse Spawn? how long do i have to pulse spawn after m-drol? and will i need to use a SERM? just want to get much info so i can decide what to do as safe as possible? oh yea how do i dose both if i do go with your cycle recomendation.
 
jmma062803 said:
so your saying run m-drol for 2-3 weeks and then pulse Spawn? how long do i have to pulse spawn after m-drol? and will i need to use a SERM? just want to get much info so i can decide what to do as safe as possible? oh yea how do i dose both if i do go with your cycle recomendation.
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With just Halo under your belt, no need to run for a stack or bridge. Stick to single compounds for now, and then down the road stack.

M-Drol is very suppressive, I WOULD NOT want to kick off a pulse suppressed, you won't recover and be in bad shape throughout. It defeats the purpose of a pulse. Plus, you'll feel like crap and beat your HPTA and lipids completely over a much longer period of time.

Either do a pulse right or do a straight cycle right, don't try to get fancy when the basics work fine!
 
jmma062803 said:
the reason im asking is when is was reading a bunch of Dr.D's post is that its okay to take PCT on off days. what do you think?
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You can run tribulus and/or 6-bromo on off days if you want to help the testosterone bounce. Take it at night to help libido, if there's an issue there. No need to shell out for expensive stuff, it's a "nice" addition but certainly not necessary. Save a good natty test booster for PCT.
 
jmma062803 said:
so your saying run m-drol for 2-3 weeks and then pulse Spawn? how long do i have to pulse spawn after m-drol? and will i need to use a SERM? just want to get much info so i can decide what to do as safe as possible? oh yea how do i dose both if i do go with your cycle recomendation.
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Yea I mean i think that'd really help with gains. But i also must have missed that Halo was your only PH. I think if you pulsed SD for a few weeks and then pulsed epi/tren for a few weeks you'd be okay. I think you could do 3-4 weeks of each and do a PCT and come out with some good gains.

Even if I was pulsing, i'd still wait for the end of my cycle to start PCT.
 
Milas said:
You can run tribulus and/or 6-bromo on off days if you want to help the testosterone bounce. Take it at night to help libido, if there's an issue there. No need to shell out for expensive stuff, it's a "nice" addition but certainly not necessary. Save a good natty test booster for PCT.
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got it thanks! a couple more question, how long do i run a m-drol pulse? and can i add cycle support on off days?
 
okay im torn between MILAS and The Dark Half 's advice now icant decide if ill just do M-drol pulse or M-drol pulse bridge to Spawn pulse.
 
jmma062803 said:
okay im torn between MILAS and The Dark Half 's advice now icant decide if ill just do M-drol pulse or M-drol pulse bridge to Spawn pulse.
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Here's the best way to look at it. Just start with the mdrol and see how your body responds to it. If you are liking the mdrol pulse you can keep doing it for awhile.

If you don't respond well to the mdrol or see some unwanted sides, you can switch to the epi/tren pulse or you can just head straight into pct.

For example. I had my first epi cycle planned at 10/20/30/40....and actually ended up doing 20/30/40/40/50/60 because of how well i was handling the compound.
 
jmma062803 said:
got it thanks! a couple more question, how long do i run a m-drol pulse? and can i add cycle support on off days?
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Yes, cycle support EVERY day, just keep it 4-5 hours away from your dose for "on" days. M-drol is bad for lipids and BP, good to have the cycle support in there since you're lengthening the duration of the cycle.

Pulse can be run 6-10 weeks, depending on how you feel. 10 weeks is pushing it, so I'd say shoot for 8 with the compounds you're thinking about.

Do what you like between the M-Drol and Spawn. I just think Spawn is much better for a straight cycle and help lean out for summer, and M-Drol gains are more maintainable in a pulse. Just my 2 cents though...
 
I would echo what other's have said and just stick with a simple pulse of a single compound (m-drol). If it's your first time with the compound I would start with a low to moderate dose the first week and go from there. I've never taken anything on my off days because I wanted to keep it simple and see how I reacted. I've always felt fine and never felt anything even resembling suppression at any time, so I don't take anything on off days. As for time frames, I would consider something like this:
weeks 1-4 pulse while training hard
week 5 deload (off of pulse)
week 6 ease back into hard training (off of pulse)
weeks 7-10 pulse while training hard
Follow with PCT if desired/needed (keep caloric intake good and continue other supplements to help stabilize any gains you made)
I feel like this approach gives you sustainable gains while minimizing chances of side-effects or suppression.
 
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