ive gained more without being on creatine. only on food. and ive gained more on CEE caps. i gave it a shot, didnt work well for me. others like it, i dont. i expected more of a gain while being on creatine then not on creatine. i can bulk and gain about a pound and a half a week. so adding creatine, i expect at least a bit more. at least thats what ive experienced with other creatine products. about 1 pound a week, give or take 1/2 pound