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H-drol Cycle

Sigurd8404

Sigurd8404

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Whats up guys, I'm not new to the work-out or supplement scene, but I am new to cycling. This is my first cycle, my buddy who's had experience cycling and I put this together. All comments/suggestions are welcome.

H-Drol Cycle: (5wks)

H-Drol - 50/50/50/75/75 (option of 50/50/75/75/75)
AI Cycle Support - 1 scoop AM/PM starting 7 days prior thru end of PCT
Toco-8 - 1 scoop/day
Multi vitamin - 1 a day
Fish oil - 1200mg/day
Protein - 2-3 shakes/day
BCAA's

PCT: (4wks)

SERM - Toremefine Citrate, 40mg/day
Creatine - (Monohydrate,Ethyl Ester,Gluconate)
EndoAmp Max - 1 scoop/day, 1hr prior to workout/AM on non-workout days
Toco-8 - 1 scoop/day
Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade - 5ml, twice daily, 5 days on, 2 days off
AI Post cycle support - 2 caps AM, 2 caps PM Cycle support - 1 AM, 1 PM
Multi vitamin - 1 a day
Fish oil - 1200mg/day
Protein - 2-3 shakes/day
BCAA's

Diet:

3800+ Cal a day
High Carb
High Protein
Low Fat

Work out:

Mon -- Shoulders, Traps
Tues -- Cardio, Bi's, Calves/Lower Legs
Wed -- Chest, Quads/Hams
Thurs - Cardio, Back, Calves/Lower Legs
Fri ---- Tri's, Abs
Sat --- Cardio
Sun --- Rest

Current Body Comp:

177lbs
12-13% body fat
Chest: 40.5" (Relaxed @ Widest point)
Waist: 32" (Natural)
Arm: 13.5" (Relaxed @ Widest point)
Neck: 15.5" (@ Widest point)

Goal Body Comp:

190+lbs
10-11% body fat
 
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again another person 21 doing first cycle.. and what your goal is to get to 185lbs..dude im not busting your balls or anything but this is the sole reason the feds are so hard up on getting rid of anything that works.. at 21 eat your but off and train hard..dont use cycles to shortcut your way through life..when your 28-30 and you have given it your all then come back and talk to us about a cycle..if thats your pic in your avatar you look like a little school boy..again not busting your balls im trying to steer you from mistakes others have made already...
 
That's cool, that's your opinion. I've been using supplements for 2 years and have pretty much worked my way through a lot of whats good out there. I've plateaued around the 176 range and have been plateaued for quite awhile now. I've been switching up both my diet and my supplement cycles with no results for awhile now. I've done my research and am not just doing this off of a whim or as a shortcut to anywhere.

I don't know how you can consider myself as a factor to why these type of supplements are being banned and discontinued as this is my first time using them and I might as well as they will become basically impossible to get my hands on by the time I'm 28+ anyways.
 
Sigurd8404 said:
That's cool, that's your opinion. I've been using supplements for 2 years and have pretty much worked my way through a lot of whats good out there. I've plateaued around the 176 range and have been plateaued for quite awhile now. I've been switching up both my diet and my supplement cycles with no results for awhile now. I've done my research and am not just doing this off of a whim or as a shortcut to anywhere.

I don't know how you can consider myself as a factor to why these type of supplements are being banned and discontinued as this is my first time using them and I might as well as they will become basically impossible to get my hands on by the time I'm 28+ anyways.
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i was refering to the fact that we see this all the time here and other boards guys 16-22 think the quickest way is the best way with no regards to their own future health.. if you feel you have done your your homework then i applaud you and hope only the best for you..i was a personal trainer for years and watched it first hand every day with all the young kids coming into the gym trying to use cycles and not knowing what they were doing..trust me i did the same thing you are wanting to do when i was younger but never took gear til i was 25..
 
I can tell you though, this guy is not the same kind of story as this guy... or how this one will turn out...

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purelife1 said:
i was refering to the fact that we see this all the time here and other boards guys 16-22 think the quickest way is the best way with no regards to their own future health.. if you feel you have done your your homework then i applaud you and hope only the best for you..i was a personal trainer for years and watched it first hand every day with all the young kids coming into the gym trying to use cycles and not knowing what they were doing..trust me i did the same thing you are wanting to do when i was younger but never took gear til i was 25..
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Thanks for looking out for me then, and that is in all seriousness. I'll always take suggestions/criticism/opinions. If I was a young dumba**, which I'm not saying I'm not, I would probably be trying to take in or pin on something way harsher and heavier then I need with no support supplements to prevent/reduce side effects, which is why most of those young persons end up with health problems in their future. However I've included complete liver support, full vitamin support and hair-loss support. I have the SERM standing by for any gyno symptoms that may present, even though the possibility of gyno with H-drol is rather low, I still planned for it anyways. I've gone far enough with my research to find that Vitamin E as d-alpha Tocopheryl Acetate in higher amounts adversely effects the absorption of the other A, B, C and D strains of Vitamin E found in Toco-8, so I picked a multi-vitamin with the lowest possible IU's of d-alpha Tocopheryl.
 
well i hope you only the best then and keep us informed... i think perhaps if your first post on this board wasnt about your cycle you would have been taken more seriously..like copycat quoted above both of you posted on hdrol cycles your fist post and Stickly actually posted pics..you will find most here will be willing to help once we know you are not like the many that come and go looking for the magic pill...

and ps...the guys in the Flex and Muscle and Fitness didnt get that size from the bogus supplements they sponser:bsflag:
 
purelife1 said:
i think perhaps if your first post on this board wasnt about your cycle you would have been taken more seriously..like copycat quoted above both of you posted on hdrol cycles your fist post and Stickly actually posted pics..you will find most here will be willing to help once we know you are not like the many that come and go looking for the magic pill...
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I'm not sure what I would have posted on before posting up the plans for my cycle as I have never cycled before so I really have no right to judge or criticize anyone else's plans for cycling. I can only base my judgments on what someone should or should not take on my personal research and no experience at all.

I'm not like Stickly, nor am I looking for a magic pill. I'll post up pics once I get a chance to take some and you can see that my body comp is much more appropriate for a cycle at 5'11" 177lbs. And Copycat would know that I'm not just running blindly into some stupid sh!t I know nothing about, he's the one who laid out the guidelines and helped me put together the cycle and PCT.

I would hope everyone would be willing to help, whether with praise, suggestions or constructive criticism. They are all useful forms of expressing ones opinion and making someone else think. I personally feel that I have prepared properly. I've laid out a cycle, supporting supps, %'s of calories and grams of carbs, protein and fats per day, variation of exercise's per muscle group per week, proper PCT and the continuation of a healthy diet post cycle. I have also already quit any/all drinking awhile ago to prepare my liver for a cycle. I unfortunately have had a bad habit of smoking socially for awhile now, but I've even weened myself down to a minimal amount in an attempt to quit as to not further raise my blood pressure while on cycle. I am not just some stupid a** kid looking to pop some pills, lift some weights and magically gain muscle mass.
 
100mg of H-Drol from what i have read GREATLY increases sides over 75 and only slightly increases gains. Just some food for thought.
 
I thought we were looking at 50/75/75/75/100? Even keeping it at 75 the last wk. I'm not convinced on the 100 either. I'd rather plan on 75 and bump to 100 the last wk when it came around I still felt like I needed it. I wouldn't do 2 wks of 100 ending though. Just don't think it will be necessary.
 
its not always just to get bigger and whatnot. PH's are FUNNNNNNN!! who doesnt like to see there lifts go up 20 pounds in 2 weeks and feel like a beast??? your plan seems solid and your playing it safe. Way better than those 18 year olds jumping right on some super-drol clone. doooo itt, just know the consequences and hopefully your not lying about your age.

cheers!
 
Yeah, I can vouch for his age.
 
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I thought we were looking at 50/75/75/75/100? Even keeping it at 75 the last wk. I'm not convinced on the 100 either. I'd rather plan on 75 and bump to 100 the last wk when it came around I still felt like I needed it. I wouldn't do 2 wks of 100 ending though. Just don't think it will be necessary.
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****, the cycle you made for me was the 50/50/75/75/100. If a 100/100 ending would be too harsh then I'd be up for a triple 75 middle.
 
looks well planned out, good luck!

I'd cut back on cardio though... do you play a sport or are you just going to the gym and doing cardio? I'd cut it in half if possible.
 
Sigurd8404 said:
****, the cycle you made for me was the 50/50/75/75/100. If a 100/100 ending would be too harsh then I'd be up for a triple 75 middle.
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I would just run it 50/75/75/75/75/75. You might as well just use a stronger compound if you're going to take the dosage up to 100mg. Ultiimately, it's up to you and how you feel, but that's just my $.02
 
i would stay at the 75..im well over 200lbs and 75 was fine with results for me
 
I saw no need to go up to 100mg, and I didnt need to increase the Dosage to 75mg until the 4th week. This is your first cycle so you will respond very well to lower dosages. Take advantage of that and keep your doses low, while saving your body from additional stress.
 
If your 5'11 176 lbs right now I think your maintenance calories should be around 3,100 per day(what you said you're running through the cycle). Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you want to be between 3,750-4,000 per day. I'm nearly the same stats as you, running epol, and I'm eating 4,500 a day right now and at the end of my first week.
 
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If your 5'11 176 lbs right now I think your maintenance calories should be around 3,100 per day(what you said you're running through the cycle). Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you want to be between 3,750-4,000 per day. I'm nearly the same stats as you, running epol, and I'm eating 4,500 a day right now and at the end of my first week.
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No, you are right. Yeah, him and I have talked about needing to increase calories.
 
wontstop985 said:
looks well planned out, good luck!

I'd cut back on cardio though... do you play a sport or are you just going to the gym and doing cardio? I'd cut it in half if possible.
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I play in a rec basketball league that's about to start up, games should only be once/twice a week though. I'll probably use practices and games as my cardio, adding in extra if I feel it's needed.

So consensus seems to be no 100, which is fine with me. I agree that I'll probably respond well as it is my first cycle. I'm thinking 50/50/50/75/75 with the option to bump up to 75 a week early, at week 3, if I feel like I want some more gains, sound reasonable?

Getting pre-cycle pics together to post up as purelife1 was commenting on me not having pics. Will post when compiled.
(EDIT) Due to forum rules I can't post pics/links until 50 posts, so no pre-cycle pics.
 
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Sigurd8404 said:
I did, they're saved so I can do pre/post pics once I'm done.
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Just make some more posts in various threads, you don't need that many. Or email them to me and I'll throw them up for you.
 
2 weeks down, 3 to go.

Bump for 2 week update. Hit the beginning of my 3rd week yesterday, I bumped to 75mg and am gonna stay 75 for the remaining 3 weeks. So far I've seen pretty good size increases for such a short time frame and am up to 182lbs. I've noticed a minimal amount of fat gain around my stomach/oblique area, due to the higher calorie/lower cardio plan I'm doing. However I'm not too worried about it overall, it's always been easier for me to lose weight then gain, so I should be able to cut back down after PCT. I'm keeping track of starting weight used on lifts to see the difference from cycle start to finish and will post that up at the culmination of this adventure with all other results.
 
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