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fibrous tissue under the nips...

natandrb

natandrb

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Like the title says, after a 4week cycle of a tren product which I finished about 2 weeks ago, I'm noticing a fairly good amount of growth under my nips (mostly in the left). For PCT I've been on DTP, Sunami, P.C.T. Assist and Novedex XT. So obviously this isn't cutting it, what do I do? I was thinking of picking up some liquid letrozole from a research site, would that be sufficient to kill the growth, and remove the tissue, or am I just looking at surgery at this point? One last question, what is the point of a syringe filter? Thanks for any and all responses.
 
I ran 4 weeks of x-tren, and while my nips dont look puffy or bigger at all, i do have two smaller than a pee size, very very sensitive lumps under my nipple.

Can i ever get that to go away.?

also im getting ready to run more ph after waiting more than the rec. time. If i run them smart with a good pct, these lumps wont go out of control on me will they?

-joe d
 
You may want to think about running Epistane/havoc as your PH because both of these will kill you estrogen and then run a healthy cylcel of nolvadex and it might just dry up that gyno.
 
pigpen75 said:
You may want to think about running Epistane/havoc as your PH because both of these will kill you estrogen and then run a healthy cylcel of nolvadex and it might just dry up that gyno.
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This my not be true. Mist people get a gyno reduction with 10-20mg of epi any higher and they report it has gotten worse. Plus I have seen some posts where people got bloodwork and epi doesn't really kill estrogen like most think.
 
So you were hit with the starting growth of gyno, and instead of just saying, "Hey, maybe messing with my hormonal levels isn't a great idea because moobs are growing," - you say, "Hey, I want more moobs, let's do another cycle!"
Yeah, awesome.
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joeyd54543 said:
I ran 4 weeks of x-tren, and while my nips dont look puffy or bigger at all, i do have two smaller than a pee size, very very sensitive lumps under my nipple.

Can i ever get that to go away.?

also im getting ready to run more ph after waiting more than the rec. time. If i run them smart with a good pct, these lumps wont go out of control on me will they?

-joe d
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There's nothing safe about it. If you are trying to recover hormone levels, running a product like Epi will only potentiate further bad fluctuations. People need to stop letting companies shovel such lies.
Liftingstud said:
This my not be true. Mist people get a gyno reduction with 10-20mg of epi any higher and they report it has gotten worse. Plus I have seen some posts where people got bloodwork and epi doesn't really kill estrogen like most think.
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Your PCT was inadequate. You need a serm. That sore, tender growth will either go away (unlikely), grow (likely), and eventually harden into a permanent mass. A serm can be had for about the price of any one of the four products you are using for PCT. Do your research, word is that tren gyno is a beotch to get rid of.
 
If you have started developing tissue under the nipple, then I'd recommend getting letrozole asap while the mass is still new. It should kill it. And then use nolvadex (the real nolva, not novadex xt) to taper off.

I'm in the middle of using letro right now to kill my gyno, and so far so good. (Knock on wood).
 
my chest is visibly perfect, however I have VERY tiny pee size lumps behind, and slightly adjacent of each nipple.

These lump are 100% painless, and not sensative at all, nor have they ever been sensative.

My doctor has me on TRT with no AI because my body's natural E2 was in the single digits.

Conclusively, I'm beginning to think that everyone has small lumps behind their nipples....everyone has some kind of small bump. Its simply this bump gets painful and tender and begins to grow under progesterone/estrogen/prolactin environment. So, just because its sensative, don't jump to the conclusion that its gynocomastia. I'm now beginning to believe gynocomastia is simpy just the enlargement of that bump, not the existance of a bump.

I believe alot of people finish a cycle and start feeling their nipples and find out they have a small lump (which they probably have had for a long long time) and think its caused by the cycle when in reality your just noticing it because its sensative or slightly larger.

My recommendation is to get a blood test, check your Estradiol (ultra sensative) and your T levels. Make sure your E2 isn't too high...pref between 20-30. If you levels are high then get them down by using an AI. Nolvadex is just a bandaid, its solving the problem. If your levels are in that range, then its going to bell hell/stupid to use an AI like arimidex or letrozole. Its going to bring your E2 down to single digits, cause dryness of the joints and libido/immune problems and it may help shrink the lump...but you will have to taper off very slowly to allow your E2 to return without letthing the lump return.
 
Is it ok to just use Novedex XT to boost norm Test levels. I have my good diet, protein, creatine, and what not, but I was wondering if I could also just take Novedex to give me a small boost. Imput please.
 
Footballmike said:
Is it ok to just use Novedex XT to boost norm Test levels. I have my good diet, protein, creatine, and what not, but I was wondering if I could also just take Novedex to give me a small boost. Imput please.
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1. why did you not post this in another thread
2. novedex xt is simply ATD, its an aromatase inhibitor that blocks the enzyme allowing your body to produce estrogen from its testosterone. It doesn't really give you a T boost like it claims, it just kills estrogen which in turn causes a higher T. So in turn you will experience dryer joints, less IGF-1 expression and possibly less gains. I don't understand why people think using an AI will help you make gains.

The only time I would use any type of aromatase inhibitor is if my E2 was above 20-30 on a blood test. This would mean too much T is being converted to excess estrogen. Then using an AI would greatly benefit by bringing down the E2 to normal levels and giving you the "boost" you need. However if you levels are between 20-30 and you use an AI, you will recieve a testosterone "boost" but at the cost of much lower E2 with possibly libido, rebound gyno, and dry joints/immune system/lowered IGF-1.

Use something like Diesel Test Hardcore to lower your SHBG and Raise Free T. Don't use an AI unless you have higher than optimal estrogen levels.
 
Thanks monster. Well i am a college football player and have been debating taking an M-drol cycle with Novedex being my PCT. A few of my teammates have taken it with good gains. I already have the my supply in, just am still hesitant to take it. Im worried about gyno. What are ways to prevent gyno when on a cycle and would it be good to take the lowest possible dosages for my cycle.
 
Footballmike said:
Thanks monster. Well i am a college football player and have been debating taking an M-drol cycle with Novedex being my PCT. A few of my teammates have taken it with good gains. I already have the my supply in, just am still hesitant to take it. Im worried about gyno. What are ways to prevent gyno when on a cycle and would it be good to take the lowest possible dosages for my cycle.
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I would not use M-drol (superdrol clone) for college football. Terrible Idea.

It will ramp your blood pressure WAY up. It could kill your libido. It will shrink your nuts. It will shut you 100% down in 3 day at 1pill/day. It WILL, ALWAYS, completely screw up your lipids and liver enzymes....off the chart while on cycle. Couple these sides with endurance training = cramps, stress, loss of endurance, possibly a stroke or something.

M-drol is one of the most powerful steroids in the world period, thats including all the prescription drugs. Its more potent than the most powerful anadrol-50.

You should not have to ask these kind of questions, like whats a good PCT. If you do, then you certaintly don't have even near enough experience to properly control and M-drol cycle. Take it from me man, I said FU to all the naysayers and ran the M-drol and it messed with me terribly.

That being said, if you decide to use rat poison, DO NOT use novedex for PCT. You need genuine Nolvadex/Tamoxifene Citrate to block breast tissue in/after your cycle to prevent gyno. You also should consider Clomiphene Citrate along with nolva help jumpstart your HPTA faster than Nolva will for PCT. If you were smart, you would run testosterone along with the M-drol...after 3 days on M-drol alone you will have zero natural testosterone and you may feel terrible like I did, some people are okay without T for 3 weeks or so.
 
monsterbox said:
I would not use M-drol (superdrol clone) for college football. Terrible Idea.

It will ramp your blood pressure WAY up. It could kill your libido. It will shrink your nuts. It will shut you 100% down in 3 day at 1pill/day. It WILL, ALWAYS, completely screw up your lipids and liver enzymes....off the chart while on cycle. Couple these sides with endurance training = cramps, stress, loss of endurance, possibly a stroke or something.

M-drol is one of the most powerful steroids in the world period, thats including all the prescription drugs. Its more potent than the most powerful anadrol-50.

You should not have to ask these kind of questions, like whats a good PCT. If you do, then you certaintly don't have even near enough experience to properly control and M-drol cycle. Take it from me man, I said FU to all the naysayers and ran the M-drol and it messed with me terribly.

That being said, if you decide to use rat poison, DO NOT use novedex for PCT. You need genuine Nolvadex/Tamoxifene Citrate to block breast tissue in/after your cycle to prevent gyno. You also should consider Clomiphene Citrate along with nolva help jumpstart your HPTA faster than Nolva will for PCT. If you were smart, you would run testosterone along with the M-drol...after 3 days on M-drol alone you will have zero natural testosterone and you may feel terrible like I did, some people are okay without T for 3 weeks or so.
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Again Monster, you are full of information for me. I really appreciate it. Now I am certain I wont run that cycle. Could you recommend a safe supp that you know of that is different from what I am taking already. Maybe you know a legit supp. that will just give me a little more, if you know what I mean. My N.O. and my creatine, glutamine, protein, BCAA's, and Arginine is good, but I just feel like maybe there is something else that could that could boost me a bit more. That's why i started looking into cycles, but now I will not. Looking forward to your reply.
 
Footballmike said:
Again Monster, you are full of information for me. I really appreciate it. Now I am certain I wont run that cycle. Could you recommend a safe supp that you know of that is different from what I am taking already. Maybe you know a legit supp. that will just give me a little more, if you know what I mean. My N.O. and my creatine, glutamine, protein, BCAA's, and Arginine is good, but I just feel like maybe there is something else that could that could boost me a bit more. That's why i started looking into cycles, but now I will not. Looking forward to your reply.
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well, I'm not going to be like all the other A-holes on here and say that steroids are only for bodybuilders that have reached their genetic potential.

You really don't need steroids to reach your genetic potential, diet and training, and proper rest will get you there in time...steroids will just shortcut the process, and if you don't have the diet/training/rest in perfect order you will loose all your gains.

That being said, in my opinion the least side effective/most benefitting steroid on the market is RPN Havoc. Do some research on it, its much much much less harsh than superdrol but it still not something to toy with. If you really think you need gear looking into havoc to get a taste. But, if you find yourself really wanting to cycle alot you need to get legit and be on testosterone cyp or something.
 
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