plenny
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yeah, but OSU beat more ranked teams like michigan..penn state..and iowa, and lost to high ranked( at the time) USC.
2009 College Football Season
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yeah, but OSU beat more ranked teams like michigan..penn state..and iowa, and lost to high ranked( at the time) USC.
plenny
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i felt like plummeting like that after the PSU/OSU game:zx11pissed:
rubberring
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And by "ranked," you mean #71.
LSU beat Washington, a team who beat USC... so by your own logic you've effectively disproved the very point you were trying to establish.
Well done. :lol:
rubberring
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Now I understand more clearly where this SEC bitterness really stems from...
Ohio State's Record Against the SEC (1990-2009)
1/7/2008 vs. LSU (12-2) L 24-38
1/8/2007 vs. Florida (13-1) L 14-41
1/1/2002 vs. South Carolina (9-3) L 28-31
1/1/2001 vs. South Carolina (8-4) L 7-24
1/1/1996 vs. Tennessee (11-1) L 14-20
1/2/1995 vs. Alabama (12-1) L 17-24
1/1/1993 vs. Georgia (10-2) L 14-21
1/1/1990 vs. Auburn (10-2) L 14-31
:lol::lol::lol:
TexasTitan
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Theyd still beat the suckeyes.
BUCKNUTS
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I wear all of your scorn like a badge of honor. Who's been to more BCS bowl games, National Championship games and won more games over all in the BCS era? LSU? nope Alabama? nope. Well what do you know it's my beloved Buckeyes. So you can have fun and enjoy your rhettoric I'll take comfort in the facts. :moon:
TexasTitan
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Hang onto the past. Its all youre going to have.
plenny
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no!!!! thats like penn state destroying oregon st last season and oregon upsetting USC last season...then usc beating penn st in the rose bowl...ya see rubbering...1+1=2 but 2+2 doesnt equal 3...ya get it?:borladuck:
plenny
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OldGator
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Why don't you bitter losers go and start the 2010 Thread??
This year's over for you already in any meaningful way (sound familiar???)
BUCKNUTS
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Past, present and future my man whether or not all you non Big Ten guys like it or not.
BUCKNUTS
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Nope, yet another double digit win season and another BCS bowl game as usual so no that doesn't sound familiar at all.
plenny
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just worry about the gators overcoming their redzone problems. The biggest problem with gator fans are that they are oblivious. Face it old gator, your team is good, but its not the team that it was "hyped" up to be. Your offensive coordinator sucks, Tebow isnt a NFL caliber QB, and your coach is a liar and a cheater..not to mention the crooked officiating...every Gator play needs to be reviewed or have ACC conf REfs officiate the games...its ok to poke someone's eye out as well..what a piece of $hit coach...that would NEVER fly in happy valley or "most" of the big10 (not michigan)..i would rather be a part of a sub par program with classy coaches and athletes, than a part of a cheating program that sends todays youth the wrong message about sportsmanship and all that it stands for.
Another thing, Alabama is a better team than Florida. I've watched them both play several times this season, i am even convinced that if LSU or Georgia played Florida (best out of 5 ) lsu and UG would win.
Now, back to the 2010 thread, how about i start it off with how far florida will fall after week 4? or how about a good old fashioned big 10 beating, when Penn st rolls into Tuscaloosa, and beats alabama...i wonder what the excuses will be then?????:firedevil::firedevil::firedevil:
plenny
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cheers!!! to double digits:yup:
rubberring
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1. OSU hasn't played Michigan yet.
2. When they do play them this weekend, Michigan will be unranked.
3. Mississippi State was ranked in 1980... so can Bama count that as a win against a ranked opponent? Cool.
4. The above points pretty much prove you to be a fanboy tool.
5. Do YOU watch college football? Real question.
6. Good luck trying to explain how I've either misquoted you... or that it's me who lacks college football knowledge.
7. Shuddup.
8. No... really.
rubberring
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Yet another (at least) double-loss season too. OSU lost more conference games than Florida and Alabama combined... in a downright woeful conference.
So... there's that. :yup:
plenny
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penn state played michigan when they were ranked...i meant ohio st played illinois who were ranked 24-25.at the time:soapbox:
plenny
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thanks to the SEC refs:tragedy:
TexasTitan
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Im sorry, you just said present. Im laughing. Did you mean it or...
rubberring
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Yes... it's the referees who are responsible for Florida and Alabama's combined regular season record of 43-1 over the past two years.
You keep telling yourself that. :wink1:
rubberring
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Yes, playing Illinois is absolutely just as tough as playing Florida and Alabama. That definitely justifies ranking the Buckeyes over LSU. Thanks plenny. I'm sure BUCKNUTS is thrilled with your astute analysis of the situation. :lol:
TheAmazing1
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I-O!
rubberring
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OldGator
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:laugh: Your right! Florida's season would be considered unsuccessful if it does anything other than win the National Championship again this year (3 out of 4). It's called setting a "high bar" - something PSU has only hit it's head on the last 22 years.
Should we not make it - and only win the NC 2x in the last 4 years - it would be very disappointing.
OldGator
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"Best Out Of 5" is a losers speil. I understand why it is said alot in the Big Ten, but to us SEC fans it just sounds moronic.
You've been drinking early tonight Plenny. I don't blame you - with Michigan State away this weekend.
....and your mother wears combat boots whaaaaa whaaaaa whaaaaa.
Urban Meyer UF coach 5 years has won 2 national championships
Joe Paterno PSU coach 44 years has won 2 national championships
....that's close.
BUCKNUTS
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Only 1 team wins a national championship each year, I'll take 2 losses and a BCS bowl game and call that another good year. The SEC has 2 very good teams at the top and the rest are mediocre at best, so your conference is not the world beaters it has been hyped ad nauseum to be.
Sorry guys but this is true.
So it's fine for you guys to constantly throw 2 and 3 years ago failures in my face but not for me to point out past success. :tool:
obviously no comparison there but you play the teams on your schedule and a wins a win. A win against meatchicken saturday will make us 10-2 as I said I'll take that and a trip to the Rose Bowl.
Yes! finally one of my Buckeye bretheren came through for me, reps to you sir.
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Ow! Hey we're double digit favorites from the SEC! didn't you read our hype! Alalabama 0-1 vs the Mountain West.
BUCKNUTS
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Some facts among the cloud of hyperbole
While I do agree that the SEC is the best conference in college football I do not agree with the ridiculous hype and constant Big Ten bashing. I went on ESPN.com and looked at bowl records head to head for the past several years and was pleasantly surprised by what I found.
2002
Michigan 38-Florida 30
Auburn 13-Penn St 9
Minnesota 29-Arkansas 14
Big Ten 2-1
2003
Iowa 37-Florida 17
Georgia 34-Purdue 27
Auburn 28-Wisconsin 14
SEC 2-1
2004
Iowa 30-LSU 25
Minnesota 20-Alabama 16
Georgia 24-Wisconsin 21
Big Ten 2-1
2005
Wisconsin 24-Auburn 10
Florida 31-Iowa 24
Big Ten 1-SEC 1
2006
Florida 41-Ohio State 14
Penn St 20-Tennessee 10
Wisconsin 17-Arkansas 14
Big Ten 2-1
2007
LSU 38-Ohio State 24
Tennesee 21-Wisconsin 17
Michigan 41-Florida 35
SEC 2-1
2008
Georgia 24 Mich St 12
Iowa 31 S. Carolina 10
Big Ten 1-SEC 1
This was a very revelatory exercise for me, if only my beloved Buckeyes had held up our end of the bargain these stupid debates would not be taking place at all. I'm curious to see who is man enough to come admit they have been over-stating their case for SEC supremacy over the Big Ten.
While I do agree that the SEC is the best conference in college football I do not agree with the ridiculous hype and constant Big Ten bashing. I went on ESPN.com and looked at bowl records head to head for the past several years and was pleasantly surprised by what I found.
2002
Michigan 38-Florida 30
Auburn 13-Penn St 9
Minnesota 29-Arkansas 14
Big Ten 2-1
2003
Iowa 37-Florida 17
Georgia 34-Purdue 27
Auburn 28-Wisconsin 14
SEC 2-1
2004
Iowa 30-LSU 25
Minnesota 20-Alabama 16
Georgia 24-Wisconsin 21
Big Ten 2-1
2005
Wisconsin 24-Auburn 10
Florida 31-Iowa 24
Big Ten 1-SEC 1
2006
Florida 41-Ohio State 14
Penn St 20-Tennessee 10
Wisconsin 17-Arkansas 14
Big Ten 2-1
2007
LSU 38-Ohio State 24
Tennesee 21-Wisconsin 17
Michigan 41-Florida 35
SEC 2-1
2008
Georgia 24 Mich St 12
Iowa 31 S. Carolina 10
Big Ten 1-SEC 1
This was a very revelatory exercise for me, if only my beloved Buckeyes had held up our end of the bargain these stupid debates would not be taking place at all. I'm curious to see who is man enough to come admit they have been over-stating their case for SEC supremacy over the Big Ten.
OldGator
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Saw that on a T-Shirt in Gainesville and LMAO.
Ranks up there with my favorite sperm poster: "The tests have come back and they confirm Florida is Ohio State's Daddy"
rubberring
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Careful... you don't want the Rose Bowl pitting your guys against South Carolina. That would be another OSU-beating by a bunch of C0cks.
Yeah, but you left out that Bama has an NCAA-record 56 postseason bowl appearances, which includes a record 31 victories. Oh, and since 1982, Alabama's 5-3 vs. the Big Ten.
You also forgot to note that the Big Ten has SIX losses against the aforementioned Mountain West.
Meanwhile, OSU's only had ONE... count it... ONE win against an SEC team since 1935.
Oh, and while we're at it -- Alabama's last Rose Bowl appearance was in 1946. Yet, Ohio State has only won TWO MORE Rose Bowls than the Tide.
^^^ A revelatory exercise for me. :lol:
Here's what I'm man enough to admit (I'm almost 40.):
-The Big Ten has EIGHT teams with a less-than-.500 winning % against the SEC.
-Since 1980, the SEC has 0.618 winning % against the Big Ten. That's a record of 52-32-1.
-Collectively, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee have a 0.667 winning % against the Big Ten. That's a record of 42-21.
-In comparison, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Iowa are a combined 45-51-4 against the SEC. (Btw, I picked your most successful teams.)
-If I remove Michigan from the above data, the numbers are even more dismal for the Big Ten. they are the ONLY school from your deplorable conference with any legitimate success against the SEC.
-The SEC ended up 6-2 in the 2008 bowl games; 7-2 in 2007. That 13-4 bowl record in the past two years is the best record of all the conferences, and the most bowl wins EVER by one conference over two years.
-Oh, and the SEC won the National Championships both of those years, as well as the prior year (2006).
-So, how'd the Big Ten do? This past year they were 1-6. In 2007 they were 3-5. So, a cumulative record of 4-11 over the past two years. As you're so painfully aware of, Ohio State lost both the '06 and '07 Championship Games to Florida and LSU.
How's that for facts?
In other words...
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OldGator
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rubberring
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You can't spell DELUSIONAL without O-S-U. :no:
OldGator
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Or PATHETICALLY SUCK without P-S-U. :32:
Sh*t, we do crap on our Big Ten friends here don't we? Maybe BUCKNUTS was right about that (just about the only thing he's right on this board about):knockedout:
Oh well. They'll be lovin' it when we have to eat our own in 3 weeks. Good luck to ya my SEC friend.
Rollin' in at #1 and #2 - sure doesn't get any better!
rubberring
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Back to ya, OG. Barring a major upset in Auburn, we should see two 12-0 teams play for the REAL nat'l championship in Atlanta. Pretty awesome to play in a conference where the Sugar Bowl is a consolation prize. :lol:
Go Gators! ROLL TIDE!
BUCKNUTS
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hahaha leave it to you sce guys to ignore what I posted about bowl games head to head because it isn't refutable and instead produce your own stats that better suits you, followed by the same old typical, boring, redundant, played out insults. Predictable and very typical.
rubberring
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I won't ignore that head-to-head, the Big Ten is 0-2 in the game that matters most: your best against our best. Along with that, the Big Ten has an 0-6 mark in all BCS games over the past three seasons. To top it all off, a Big Ten school has not won the Rose Bowl in 10 years.
Produce my own stats? Ummm... no. Everything I've posted is actual and factual. If not, you would have refuted them by now. There are queryable databases out there on the interwebz, you know. In fact, I'm glad I made that post... 'cause whenever this debate comes up again, I can just quote myself. :lol:
rubberring
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Btw... besides having the top two teams in the nation, the SEC will have 10 bowl-eligible teams this season. Pretty good for "mediocre at best."
I heart facts. :deal:
I heart facts. :deal:
OldGator
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Funny (but totally off-topic) Story
This is completely off-topic but I thought some of you guys might get a kick out of Old Gators' pain:
My daughter, who is a senior at UF, called me from Gainesville last night to tell me she was in a car accident. She wasn't "paying attention" (ie probably texting). She drove into the back of a car that was stopped at an intersection to turn left - which then ran into another car - which than ran into another car!! So she hits 3 cars via the "domino effect"!!
I asked her if anyone was hurt: "No"
I asked if she was DUI on anything: "No".
But, of course, the police did write her up for "careless driving" (called Reckless Driving here in PA).
After my heart attack I told her to call our insurance company ASAP and report the whole thing.
Samantha calls me an hour later all excited : "Dad, I have good news! I spoke with the insurance company and they said they wouldn't just pay for my car but they would be paying for the other three cars too!! Isn't that nice??"
I then proceeded to explain to her how "premiums" work.
This is completely off-topic but I thought some of you guys might get a kick out of Old Gators' pain:
My daughter, who is a senior at UF, called me from Gainesville last night to tell me she was in a car accident. She wasn't "paying attention" (ie probably texting). She drove into the back of a car that was stopped at an intersection to turn left - which then ran into another car - which than ran into another car!! So she hits 3 cars via the "domino effect"!!
I asked her if anyone was hurt: "No"
I asked if she was DUI on anything: "No".
But, of course, the police did write her up for "careless driving" (called Reckless Driving here in PA).
After my heart attack I told her to call our insurance company ASAP and report the whole thing.
Samantha calls me an hour later all excited : "Dad, I have good news! I spoke with the insurance company and they said they wouldn't just pay for my car but they would be paying for the other three cars too!! Isn't that nice??"
I then proceeded to explain to her how "premiums" work.
Tomahawk88
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Dont u just love kids? lol
It is reckless driving in GA too. I have found it is harder to text while driving when using the new keyboard phones compared to the old style of phones.
It is reckless driving in GA too. I have found it is harder to text while driving when using the new keyboard phones compared to the old style of phones.
BUCKNUTS
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Thank God she's ok OG you can always get more money but she can't be replaced.
BUCKNUTS
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Big Ten 10-9 against the SEC in bowls since 2002 bro you can't hide from that. I'm sorry I brought that dirty little secret to light here. Here's what I'll do for ya I'll keep digging until I find a way to make it appear more favorable for ya. I'll post up results of the previous 3 years head to head that's a ten year period of time so should be able to show SEC domination of Big Ten for sure. I'll be back in a minute with the results.
BUCKNUTS
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1999
Georgia 28-Purdue 25 OT
Michigan St 37-Florida 34
Michigan 35-Alabama 34 OT
Big Ten 2-1
2000
S.Carolina 24-Ohio St 7
Michigan 31- Auburn 28
Big Ten 1-SEC 1
2001
S. Carolina 31-Ohio State 28
Tennesee 45-Michigan 17
LSU 47-Illinois 34
SEC 3-0
2002
Michigan 38-Florida 30
Auburn 13-Penn St 9
Minnesota 29-Arkansas 14
Big Ten 2-1
2003
Iowa 37-Florida 17
Georgia 34-Purdue 27
Auburn 28-Wisconsin 14
SEC 2-1
2004
Iowa 30-LSU 25
Minnesota 20-Alabama 16
Georgia 24-Wisconsin 21
Big Ten 2-1
2005
Wisconsin 24-Auburn 10
Florida 31-Iowa 24
Big Ten 1-SEC 1
2006
Florida 41-Ohio State 14
Penn St 20-Tennessee 10
Wisconsin 17-Arkansas 14
Big Ten 2-1
2007
LSU 38-Ohio State 24
Tennesee 21-Wisconsin 17
Michigan 41-Florida 35
SEC 2-1
2008
Georgia 24 Mich St 12
Iowa 31 S. Carolina 10
Big Ten 1-SEC 1
See rubbering I knew if I looked hard enough I could make this work in your favor, with the 3-0 year head to head in 2001 the SEC does in fact lead the Big Ten 14-13 in ten years of bowl games. Again I ask is this the domination over The Big Ten you SEC guys are constantly blustering about? I don't see it personally and this is what I will post each and every time from now on as as my response when you guys get blustery again(and you will). The thing is if you want to talk about my Buckeyes against the SEC I have to be quiet because we have let the Big Ten down in a big big way against you guys but the rest of the league has more than held their own.
Georgia 28-Purdue 25 OT
Michigan St 37-Florida 34
Michigan 35-Alabama 34 OT
Big Ten 2-1
2000
S.Carolina 24-Ohio St 7
Michigan 31- Auburn 28
Big Ten 1-SEC 1
2001
S. Carolina 31-Ohio State 28
Tennesee 45-Michigan 17
LSU 47-Illinois 34
SEC 3-0
2002
Michigan 38-Florida 30
Auburn 13-Penn St 9
Minnesota 29-Arkansas 14
Big Ten 2-1
2003
Iowa 37-Florida 17
Georgia 34-Purdue 27
Auburn 28-Wisconsin 14
SEC 2-1
2004
Iowa 30-LSU 25
Minnesota 20-Alabama 16
Georgia 24-Wisconsin 21
Big Ten 2-1
2005
Wisconsin 24-Auburn 10
Florida 31-Iowa 24
Big Ten 1-SEC 1
2006
Florida 41-Ohio State 14
Penn St 20-Tennessee 10
Wisconsin 17-Arkansas 14
Big Ten 2-1
2007
LSU 38-Ohio State 24
Tennesee 21-Wisconsin 17
Michigan 41-Florida 35
SEC 2-1
2008
Georgia 24 Mich St 12
Iowa 31 S. Carolina 10
Big Ten 1-SEC 1
See rubbering I knew if I looked hard enough I could make this work in your favor, with the 3-0 year head to head in 2001 the SEC does in fact lead the Big Ten 14-13 in ten years of bowl games. Again I ask is this the domination over The Big Ten you SEC guys are constantly blustering about? I don't see it personally and this is what I will post each and every time from now on as as my response when you guys get blustery again(and you will). The thing is if you want to talk about my Buckeyes against the SEC I have to be quiet because we have let the Big Ten down in a big big way against you guys but the rest of the league has more than held their own.
hardknock
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What about games that matter the most? I seem to remember a school by the name of ohio something that were trashed in two events, bball, fball, and hmmmm....if we want to talk gymnastics then the second has had a great amount of success on that front as well..track and field? Shall we continue?
BUCKNUTS
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This is the college football thread bro. I don't watch much basketball and could care less about gymnastics. I actually have a lot of respect for the SEC and do agree with all you SEC guys that top to bottom it's the best conference. My point of contention is with all of the conversation about how vastly superior the SEC is to the Big Ten, and to that point I say 14-13 that's your record in the past 10 years head to head against the Big ten in bowls. Any reasonable person would have to agree that no superiority is demonstrated there.
OldGator
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Thanks BUCKNUTS.
BUCKNUTS
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No problem. I have a daughter away at college to, if you're anything like me that's scary all by itself.
rubberring
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For clarity's sake, let me get this straight: Your argument is that the SEC is hands-down the best football conference out there, top to bottom. However, the Big Ten is really a close 2nd?
Well, I disagree. You can't argue three nat'l championships in a row. Dude, there are three SEC teams ranked ahead of your conference champion in the current BCS rankings. In fact, I'd contend that, in recent times, the ACC is just as good, if not better, than the Big Ten.
You keep harping on subpar bowl games to try to show some kind of parody between the two conferences. That just isn't the reality. The only time middle-of-the-road SEC teams even see Big Ten teams is when they're playing in a mediocre bowl. The Big Ten's big win is against Florida in a non-BCS bowl in 2007. Don't you realize that Gator fans just view that as a hiccup between nat'l championships???
Let me put it to you this way. If OSU and Penn State played in the SEC, they'd be downright lucky to each have 6-7 wins this year. You know that. On the flip side, Florida and Alabama would still be 10-0 right now. That's the reality.
There's just no comparison.
Again, check these facts... I mean r-e-a-l-l-y think about these this time. Let 'em sink in:
-OSU's (the Big Ten's best team this decade) has had only had ONE win against an SEC team since 1935.
-Alabama's last Rose Bowl appearance was in 1946. Yet, Ohio State has only won TWO MORE Rose Bowls than the Tide.
-The Big Ten has EIGHT teams with a less-than-.500 winning % against the SEC.
-Since 1980, the SEC has 0.618 winning % against the Big Ten. That's a record of 52-32-1.
-Collectively, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee have a 0.667 winning % against the Big Ten. That's a record of 42-21.
-In comparison, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Iowa are a combined 45-51-4 against the SEC. (Btw, I picked your most successful teams.)
-The SEC ended up 6-2 in the 2008 bowl games; 7-2 in 2007. That 13-4 bowl record in the past two years is the best record of all the conferences, and the most bowl wins EVER by one conference over two years.
-The SEC won the National Championships both of those years, as well as the prior year (2006). TWO of those wins were against a Big Ten team.
-As for the Big Ten... this past year they were 1-6. In 2007 they were 3-5. So, a cumulative record of 4-11 over the past two years.
Seriously, man... c'mon.
Well, I disagree. You can't argue three nat'l championships in a row. Dude, there are three SEC teams ranked ahead of your conference champion in the current BCS rankings. In fact, I'd contend that, in recent times, the ACC is just as good, if not better, than the Big Ten.
You keep harping on subpar bowl games to try to show some kind of parody between the two conferences. That just isn't the reality. The only time middle-of-the-road SEC teams even see Big Ten teams is when they're playing in a mediocre bowl. The Big Ten's big win is against Florida in a non-BCS bowl in 2007. Don't you realize that Gator fans just view that as a hiccup between nat'l championships???
Let me put it to you this way. If OSU and Penn State played in the SEC, they'd be downright lucky to each have 6-7 wins this year. You know that. On the flip side, Florida and Alabama would still be 10-0 right now. That's the reality.
There's just no comparison.
Again, check these facts... I mean r-e-a-l-l-y think about these this time. Let 'em sink in:
-OSU's (the Big Ten's best team this decade) has had only had ONE win against an SEC team since 1935.
-Alabama's last Rose Bowl appearance was in 1946. Yet, Ohio State has only won TWO MORE Rose Bowls than the Tide.
-The Big Ten has EIGHT teams with a less-than-.500 winning % against the SEC.
-Since 1980, the SEC has 0.618 winning % against the Big Ten. That's a record of 52-32-1.
-Collectively, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee have a 0.667 winning % against the Big Ten. That's a record of 42-21.
-In comparison, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Iowa are a combined 45-51-4 against the SEC. (Btw, I picked your most successful teams.)
-The SEC ended up 6-2 in the 2008 bowl games; 7-2 in 2007. That 13-4 bowl record in the past two years is the best record of all the conferences, and the most bowl wins EVER by one conference over two years.
-The SEC won the National Championships both of those years, as well as the prior year (2006). TWO of those wins were against a Big Ten team.
-As for the Big Ten... this past year they were 1-6. In 2007 they were 3-5. So, a cumulative record of 4-11 over the past two years.
Seriously, man... c'mon.
BUCKNUTS
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rubbering I'm not talking about Alabama's bowl history here or their 1946 Rose Bowl appearance. BTW OSU has been in 14 and won 6 (not sure where you got your data but it's wrong) we are on our way to #15 and would have played in 3 others this past 7 years except for those little National Championship game detours we took. I am talking about recent meetings between the 2 conferences specifically Big Ten vs SEC and head to head in Bowl games is a fair way to assess this, you have bowl eligible teams from both conferences meeting one another for crying out loud. In no way shape or form will you be allowed to use the cop out excuse that this that or the other team wasn't happy to be in this or that bowl game that given year, that's WEAK. I'm disappointed in you for even throwing that in, c'mon you're better than that.
I have a problem with your logic, you state off hand that OSU and Penn State would be lucky to have x number of wins but there is no way to know that. You state off hand that the SEC is so superior to the Big Ten but when I look into all I come up with is 14-13, that's your conference's record against mine in post season games and that doesn't demonstrate domination. End of story it's much closer than you allow yourself to believe. The Big Ten has struggled in bowls in recent years except against the SEC where it is a dead heat over an entire decade time span, and I even had to go back to 2003 to give you the peace of mind of having that narrowest of leads because I know how fragile you are and I care about you :hug: :kiss:
I have a problem with your logic, you state off hand that OSU and Penn State would be lucky to have x number of wins but there is no way to know that. You state off hand that the SEC is so superior to the Big Ten but when I look into all I come up with is 14-13, that's your conference's record against mine in post season games and that doesn't demonstrate domination. End of story it's much closer than you allow yourself to believe. The Big Ten has struggled in bowls in recent years except against the SEC where it is a dead heat over an entire decade time span, and I even had to go back to 2003 to give you the peace of mind of having that narrowest of leads because I know how fragile you are and I care about you :hug: :kiss: