do i need NOLVADEX

potobori

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I am going to Run rpn Havoc,,, just wondering should i take nolvadex or is that too much ? ,,, and if i should how much u would recommend to take and when
 
potobori said:
I am going to Run rpn Havoc,,, just wondering should i take nolvadex or is that too much ? ,,, and if i should how much u would recommend to take and when
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naw, i think you should take 100mg e/d of nolva
plus 40mg of clomid.

do this for 2 weeks, then switch to 40mg of clomid for 2 weeks, then the last week switch to 100mg of nolva.

this will be perfect. and make sure you drink your own urine on cycle too, it will help you maintain your natural test levels.
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WEEK1
Havoc(20mg/day):

1st Dose(10mg): 8-10am
2nd Dose(10mg): 4-6pm

WEEK2
Havoc(30mg/day):

1st Dose(10mg): 8-10am OR 1st Dose(20mg): 8-10am(Pre-Workout Dose)
2nd Dose(10mg): 2-3pm 2nd Dose(10mg): 4-6pm
3rd Dose(10mg): 6-8pm

WEEK3
Havoc(40mg/day):

1st Dose(20mg): 8-10am(Pre-Workout Dose)
2nd Dose(10mg): 2-3pm
3rd Dose(10mg): 6-8pm

WEEK4
Havoc(50mg/day):

1st Dose(20mg): 8-10am(Pre-Workout Dose)
2nd Dose(20mg): 2-3pm
3rd Dose(10mg): 6-8pm

DURING CYCLE
(1-2 weeks prior to starting your cycle. This allows you body to go into the cycle with adequate support already in place. You liver can actually store many of t)
Gut health
Taurine
*Lots of Water*
Cycle support
Fish oil
DCP – 6 a day spread out


PCT
Milk thistle
Creatine
Post cycle support
Glutathione
Branched chain Amino Acids (during your workout and into the postwork period)
Nolvadex
WEEK3
(40mg/day):

1st Dose(20mg): 8-10am(Pre-Workout Dose)
2nd Dose(10mg): 2-3pm
3rd Dose(10mg): 6-8pm

WEEK2
30mg/day):

1st Dose(10mg): 8-10am OR 1st Dose(20mg): 8-10am(Pre-Workout Dose)
2nd Dose(10mg): 2-3pm 2nd Dose(10mg): 4-6pm
3rd Dose(10mg): 6-8pm

WEEK1
(20mg/day):

1st Dose(10mg): 8-10am
2nd Dose(10mg): 4-6pm

WEEK1
(20mg/day):

1st Dose(10mg): 8-10am
2nd Dose(10mg): 4-6p
 
glad you figured it out.

my wife has asked me the same question (about if im retarded)

all in all, i may be retarded, but atleast I know how to use the search feature, and also never had to ask basic questions like this that clearly show you are not ready to run a cycle of steroids.

:cheers:

and with the drink your own urin, did you know that the early synthisized testosterone was gathered from urine, and filtered out to make enough to inject into test subjects. (long story short)

but my post was meant to be sarcastic, and a joke. glad it hit home. :D
 
haha oh my yea i was like wtf whn i heard this,, i already had this planned out i jsut heard alot off ppl say nolva isnt needed ? the ai is enough ?
 
potobori said:
haha oh my yea i was like wtf whn i heard this,, i already had this planned out i jsut heard alot off ppl say nolva isnt needed ? the ai is enough ?
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most AI's are more harsh suppressive-wise than SERM drugs, they typically over-balance the T:E ratio, resulting in a 2nd wave estrogen wave longer after PCT ends (even if tapered off slowly and correctly).

I used to think AI's were the end all be all answer to controlling E, but later realized that our bodies have a miraculous way of eventually leveling/evening itself out in regards to chemical levels... thankfully not the hard way :)

To answer your original question, nobody really NEEDS nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate), but this doesn't mean this goes without punishment from the hormone gods, and you might lose the russian roulette game of "avoid the nice set of hefty bitch tits." It's a choice entirely up to the individual :cheers:
 
what I like to do is use nolva the night i take my last tab.

(take last tab in the morning, and first nolva tab before bed, then again in the morning)

you have to start pct comming out swinging.

after about 3 weeks on the nolva, i like to start using an ai, half the rec dosage, each day, then after the forth week, cease nolva and contiue the ai/nat test booster still at half the rec. dosage, but then every other day.

and slowly taper down, until it's nothing.

pct is tough with out things like nolva and hcg. if your lucky, you wont even need them. but most people like to speed it up.

it is faster with these products, but remember, they weren't always used.

it takes time to figure out what method of pct works best for you.
 
The function of the forum support will always lead toward "better safe then sorry." And I am glad that most forums and the people that write in them have this mentality, because it its more beneficial. I have had many friends run Epistane or Havoc without a Nolva/Clomid PCT and be fine, BUT that does not mean you will react the same. So with that being said, Nolva is always something good to have around. BUT if you are to run nolva after you havoc cycle, thats double-time on your liver so make sure you're getting your proper liver support. Bottom line: People will always react differently to certain substances and get different results varied on genes/diet/routine/lifestyle...etc. Some can run havoc, gain muscle and be fine, others may be more prone to sides and what not. But you don't know who you will react and because of that, you should have Nolvadex.
 
ok guys so should i take the nolva with the AI like i plan... so pretty much is my plan that i posted good ? or do u guys have any other sudgestions
 
This is how im working out right now,, im following arnold's work outs

Mon, Wed, Fri

Chest:
Bench press 5 x 6-10
Flat bench flyes 5 x 6-10
Incline bench press 6 x 6-10
Cable crossovers 6 x 10-12
Dips (body weight) 5 x failure
Dumbell pullovers 5 x 10-12.

Back:
Wide-grip chins (to front) 6 x failure
T-bar rows 5 x 6-10
Seated pulley rows 6 x 6-10
One-arm dumbell rows 5 x 6-10
Straight-leg deadlifts 6 x 15

Legs:
Squats 6 x 8-12
Leg press 6 x 8-12
Leg extensions 6 x 12-15
Leg curls 6 x 10-12
Barbell lunges 5 x 15

Calves:
Standing calf raises 10 x 10
Seated calf raises 8 x 15
Oneplegged calf raises (holding dumbells) 6x12

Forearms:
Wrist curls (forearms on knees) - 4 sets, 10 reps
Reverse barbell curls - 4 sets, 8 reps
Wright roller machine - to failure

Abs:
½ hour of a variety of nonspecific abdominal exercises, done virtually nonstop.

Tues, Thurs, Sat

Biceps:
Barbell curls 6 x 6-10
Seated dumbell curls 6 x 6-10
Dumbell concentration curls 6 x 6-10

Triceps:
Close-grip bench presses 6 x 6-10
Pushdowns 6 x 6-10
French press (barbell) 6 x 6-10
One-arm triceps extensions (dumbell) 6 x 6-10

Shoulders:
Seated barbell presses 6 x 6-10
Lateral raises (standing) 6 x 6-10
Rear-delt lateral raises 5 x 6-10
Cable lateral raises 5 x 10-12
 
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