Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (A-AKG)

strategicmove said:
Why do you think so?

Esterification (as in arginine ethyl ester) or bonding with alpha ketoglutarate (as in arginine alpha ketoglutarate) would promote absorption, stability, and bioavailability. But beyond this, alpha ketoglutarate has many other properties that esterification would not deliver. Examples may include enhanced glutamin/glutamic-acid synthesis; elimination of ammonia in muscle, liver, and brain cells; and improvement of VO2 Max and energy metabolism in muscle cells.
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4 me it seems 2 work better aakg never gave me kaka thats it I didnt get into the science
 
poison said:
Dude, you got NO on the brain tonight? I thought I had been transported back to 2003 what I peeked in the supplement forum tonight, what with all the aakg/no/citrulline threads being bumped.
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:D Just did a search on Citrulline and AAKG as i'm running out of a few things and need to make an order soon.

I went back to when i first started getting interested in the CM / BA stack and found a few posts that made a big difference to my pre workout approach and thought i'd share.

My order form looks good till i add the Citrulline which is why i was considering the AAKG.
 
BigNemo said:
4 me it seems 2 work better aakg never gave me kaka thats it I didnt get into the science
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kaka is scientific enough for me right now. :D I've been trying to find something that will help me to order the AAKG instead of the CM for a few hours now.

I'm just gonna order the CM and put up with the "Are you ordering MORE of that sh*t AGAIN" for the rest of the night.
 
Jag said:
:D Just did a search on Citrulline and AAKG as i'm running out of a few things and need to make an order soon.

I went back to when i first started getting interested in the CM / BA stack and found a few posts that made a big difference to my pre workout approach and thought i'd share.

My order form looks good till i add the Citrulline which is why i was considering the AAKG.
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Just buy Nos Ether level 1:

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AEE suposedly absorbs more quickly, which might be better for a 1hr workout. I like long, full body workouts, and AAKG is the sup for me.
 
Jag said:
kaka is scientific enough for me right now. :D I've been trying to find something that will help me to order the AAKG instead of the CM for a few hours now.

I'm just gonna order the CM and put up with the "Are you ordering MORE of that sh*t AGAIN" for the rest of the night.
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Citrulline Malate, if that is what you meant by "CM", and AAKG are not substitutes.
 
actually, arginine taken before bed at 5g+ increases GH levels.

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thats why you would take a ''pump'' product before bed.


''The effectiveness of arginine for growth hormone release is very age-dependent. It usually causes a massive growth hormone release in people in their 20s. By the time a person reaches their late 40s or early 50s, however, arginine still causes a very small growth hormone release, but the growth hormone levels rarely approach youthful levels. ''
 
soontobbeast said:
actually, arginine taken before bed at 5g+ increases GH levels.

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thats why you would take a ''pump'' product before bed.


''The effectiveness of arginine for growth hormone release is very age-dependent. It usually causes a massive growth hormone release in people in their 20s. By the time a person reaches their late 40s or early 50s, however, arginine still causes a very small growth hormone release, but the growth hormone levels rarely approach youthful levels. ''
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I read this, interesting...haha it says to take 20-30 grams before bed

Is there any studies with bloodwork to show the increase in GH, I would be very interested
 
Uh, I'm pretty sure that any study demonstrating significant gh release before bed used intravenous arginine solution in large amounts.
 
poison said:
Uh, I'm pretty sure that any study demonstrating significant gh release before bed used intravenous arginine solution in large amounts.
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maybe using it as a stack before bed would be better? gingko/arginine or agmatine/l-dopa combined?
 
Seriously, I doubt it. There's a reason ghenerate, hghup, and most other gh suppements from companies we trust here don't include arginine. if it was effective, they'd use it, as it's cheap and plentiful.
 
poison said:
Seriously, I doubt it. There's a reason ghenerate, hghup, and most other gh suppements from companies we trust here don't include arginine. if it was effective, they'd use it, as it's cheap and plentiful.
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or maybe they don't consider it sexy enough to include in a 'new' product. because it is so cheap maybe they fear we would just buy our own?
 
I'm not sure. I am pretty sure that the most successful studies I've read on arginine and gh release which showed a positive effect used intravenous. Iirc, many studies were done in italy, using both oral and intravenous. There's also a study showing arginine and lysine,in sane oral doses, to be effective.

Just take somnidren. :p
 
poison said:
...There's also a study showing arginine and lysine,in sane oral doses, to be effective...
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Arginine Pyroglutamate and Lysine HCL in a ratio of 2:1.
 
poison said:
Seriously, I doubt it. There's a reason ghenerate, hghup, and most other gh suppements from companies we trust here don't include arginine. if it was effective, they'd use it, as it's cheap and plentiful.
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sorry, im gonna take life extension's word over ''some supplement company's'' any day.

not to mention, life extension's world renowned reputation as well as the fact that they are non profit. these supplements have a lot of reason to lie to you, whereas the life extension foundation has none.
 
qwerty33 said:
would a multi vit take care of the free radicals from aagk


has anyone used n03 overloaded?
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you can/should use numerous available anti oxidants to combat free radicals.


green tea extract, vita c , coq10, resveratrol,grape seed extract, etc. especially since alot of those are 20x more powerful than standard vitamin anti oxidants, as well as their other benefits such as cardiovascular health, weight loss, etc.
 
soontobbeast said:
sorry, im gonna take life extension's word over ''some supplement company's'' any day.

not to mention, life extension's world renowned reputation as well as the fact that they are non profit. these supplements have a lot of reason to lie to you, whereas the life extension foundation has none.
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Who mentioned lef? Word about what? What supplement company lied? (Don't forget lef sells tons of supps too). I simply said that most studies I've seen that had great results with arginine involving arginine used high dose intravenous
 
soontobbeast said:
sorry, im gonna take life extension's word over ''some supplement company's'' any day.

not to mention, life extension's world renowned reputation as well as the fact that they are non profit. these supplements have a lot of reason to lie to you, whereas the life extension foundation has none.
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Who mentioned lef? Word about what? What supplement company lied? (Don't forget lef sells tons of supps too). I simply said that most studies I've seen that had great results with arginine involving used high dose intravenous. If low dose oral was effective, more supplement companies would use it for GH release, as it's benign, cheap, and plentiful, same reasons every NO product uses it.

No one attacked lef, and no one is lying. Wtf?
 
poison said:
Who mentioned lef? Word about what? What supplement company lied? (Don't forget lef sells tons of supps too). I simply said that most studies I've seen that had great results with arginine involving used high dose intravenous. If low dose oral was effective, more supplement companies would use it for GH release, as it's benign, cheap, and plentiful, same reasons every NO product uses it.

No one attacked lef, and no one is lying. Wtf?
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lef says arginine, preferably aakg, in doses of 5-7g raises GH when taken before bed. in their magazine is where i read that, and is why i mentioned it.

also, i didnt mention any particular supp company that lied, or lies. i meant that just because they[ the supp companies] don't put aakg in their supps, it doesnt mean it isnt effective. also , like was mentioned earlier, aakg isnt a new sexy product to boost sales, unlike these new GH products like hghup and ghenerate, etc. supp companies are more inclined to lie , or make light of other products, to make their new product sound awesome and superior. thats all i meant.

also, the proceeds from the products you buy go to more research - not stakeholders.
 
Oh, sorry, you came out of left field a bit. I'll go read the LEF stuff later, thanks.

What would be the ramifications of the free radical release with that kind of dosing?
 
strategicmove said:
Arginine Pyroglutamate and Lysine HCL in a ratio of 2:1.
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I used a pre workout supp years ago with these two ingredients and Niacin. Had to be taken alone, empty stomach and pre workout only.

Nice pumps and moderate strength gains.
 
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