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M-Drol Stack

EnemyCarbs

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Hey Guys,
I'm new to these forums. I'm 20 years old and train since roughly 3 years now. For training I do squats, benchpress, deadlifts, rowing (bending forward), chin-ups and military press. Pretty much the basic exercises.
As for my food I eat mostly lowcarb and lowglycemic with few calories as I am endomorph and don't need much calories.
My experience so far is only with Epistane from IBE which I pulsed.
As I heard that CEL has lately underdosed their products, I got the thought that I should stack M-Drol with something. However, I do not know with what and how much. I thought about Stanozolol, 15mg each day for 1 month together with 20mg M-Drol. On-Cycle support is ready (Vitamin B6 250mg each day against prolactine, as well as Cycle Support from CEL). PCT will be tamoxifen citrate for 6 weeks (not sure if I'll frontload with 80-100mg, then 20mg ed)
Alternatively I could stack M-Drol with Oral Turanabol (got 200 tabs with 50mg), probably starting with half a tablet (25 mg). However, I think that stanozolol might be better as both M-Drol and Stanozolol make you dry and hard.
Do you think this is okay or complete bull****? My goal is to gain quality muscles as well as to lose water retentions and fat.
Oh and one more question: Does 11-Test from Fast Action cause bitch tits or not? It only says increased estrogen levels on the cover.

Please no "train natural longer" or "you have no idea at all, have you?" postings. Those are useless.
 
EnemyCarbs said:
Hey Guys,
I'm new to these forums. I'm 20 years old and train since roughly 3 years now. For training I do squats, benchpress, deadlifts, rowing (bending forward), chin-ups and military press. Pretty much the basic exercises.
As for my food I eat mostly lowcarb and lowglycemic with few calories as I am endomorph and don't need much calories.
My experience so far is only with Epistane from IBE which I pulsed.
As I heard that CEL has lately underdosed their products, I got the thought that I should stack M-Drol with something. However, I do not know with what and how much. I thought about Stanozolol, 15mg each day for 1 month together with 20mg M-Drol. On-Cycle support is ready (Vitamin B6 250mg each day against prolactine, as well as Cycle Support from CEL). PCT will be tamoxifen citrate for 6 weeks (not sure if I'll frontload with 80-100mg, then 20mg ed)
Alternatively I could stack M-Drol with Oral Turanabol (got 200 tabs with 50mg), probably starting with half a tablet (25 mg). However, I think that stanozolol might be better as both M-Drol and Stanozolol make you dry and hard.
Do you think this is okay or complete bull****? My goal is to gain quality muscles as well as to lose water retentions and fat.
Oh and one more question: Does 11-Test from Fast Action cause bitch tits or not? It only says increased estrogen levels on the cover.

Please no "train natural longer" or "you have no idea at all, have you?" postings. Those are useless.
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with only a epi pulse under your belt, i'd say do a M-drol standalone 10/20/20 with a possible nother week at 20. Your diet will have to change a bit to get gains (higher carbs) but you should be fine. Since you don't want water retention, make sure the carbs you get arent too much and they are quality.

I'll be doing my first m-drol standalone myself in december. I'll be following that same dosing, and i've done epi dyme and p-plex/epi before
 
Hey thx for the reply, I just wanted to stack because I heard that CEL sold underdosed stuff lately (starting with the new logo). So do you recommend just trying if the stuff is good first and then stack if the effect of MDrol is not strong enough?
 
EnemyCarbs said:
Hey thx for the reply, I just wanted to stack because I heard that CEL sold underdosed stuff lately (starting with the new logo). So do you recommend just trying if the stuff is good first and then stack if the effect of MDrol is not strong enough?
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I haven't heard of this. when did they get a new logo? my m-drol has the old one so i'm set, but i think CEL is a pretty reliable company, m-drol is very strong by itself
 
EnemyCarbs said:
Hey thx for the reply, I just wanted to stack because I heard that CEL sold underdosed stuff lately (starting with the new logo). So do you recommend just trying if the stuff is good first and then stack if the effect of MDrol is not strong enough?
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There were a few ? about batches but the new ones r good to go. No need at ALL to stack mdrol for ur first run. Esp if u just have run an epi pulse... Might want to run a 5-6 wl epi cycle first. Mdrol is no joke. Run it like suggested above 10/20/20 and if no issues another wk at 20.
 
EnemyCarbs said:
:P allright then I'll stick to M-Drol only then.
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I agree with liftingstud that you should do another real epi cycle before bumping to m-drol, no reason to go up to fast in harshness.

but if u do decide to use m-drol, your choice, lets see your pct plan
 
6 weeks of tamoxifen citrate (also known as Nolvadex, it is a SERM) 20mg ed
not sure if frontload is necessary. Some ppl say it is, some say it isn't.
Though I don't know if it is mandatory to make such a long PCT after such a short cycle?! Opinions? I think these 6 weeks might be rather a PCT for longer cycles such as 20 weeks testosterone enanthate
Btw. still need some input whether 11-Test can cause bitch tits. Thanks. Won't use it as size gain or strength gain but as muscle protection during diet (getting shredded is first stage, then gaining size again with MDrol)
 
EnemyCarbs said:
6 weeks of tamoxifen citrate (also known as Nolvadex, it is a SERM) 20mg ed
not sure if frontload is necessary. Some ppl say it is, some say it isn't.
Though I don't know if it is mandatory to make such a long PCT after such a short cycle?! Opinions? I think these 6 weeks might be rather a PCT for longer cycles such as 20 weeks testosterone enanthate
Btw. still need some input whether 11-Test can cause bitch tits. Thanks. Won't use it as size gain or strength gain but as muscle protection during diet (getting shredded is first stage, then gaining size again with MDrol)
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not sure what 11-test is.. sorry..

Tamoxifen Citrate should be used 40/20/20/10or20 thats 4 weeks.. its a short oral cycle
use a test boost alongside ex. Diesel Test Hardcore
i also suggest an AI like novedex xt starting week 3 to prevent estrogen flooding after SERM is finished.

so save your money on the serms, don't need that much, spend it on the other stuff:)
 
11-Test is also known as 11-Oxo or Adrenosterone
Seems like it won't cause bitch tits, nowhere anyone's warning for that.
U sure I need an AI? Because I don't have any. Could order one but I dont like the idea as it would be a methylated compound (more hepatoxicity) and cost additional money.
Should probably mention that I take roaccutane 20mg ed (most likely I will have stopped taking roa by the time I start my cycle, but not sure yet) which is also hepatoxic.
 
Dude just run mdrol. No stack with epi or 11oxo. You obviously need to do some more research because u obviously need a betwe understanding of things... An AI is not methylated! I still think you should stay natty or atleast run a real epi cycle. Any reason u are jumping to mdrol?

You don't need a serm for 6 wks.
 
Liftingstud said:
Dude just run mdrol. No stack with epi or 11oxo. You obviously need to do some more research because u obviously need a betwe understanding of things... An AI is not methylated! I still think you should stay natty or atleast run a real epi cycle. Any reason u are jumping to mdrol?

You don't need a serm for 6 wks.
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Not going to stack 11-Test with MDrol. MDrol cycle will be much later.
AI is not 17aa? Ok didn't know that. So do you recommend taking an AI like JuicedUp said?

Epistane ... well, I don't think that when I used it I put it to good use but it didn't meet my expectations, so I ain't going to use it again.
Probably sometime I'll try Havoc as some ppl say it's better than Epi or at least better than E-Stane. Not now or in the next months though.

Oh and if you know a good info site feel free to post it here :)
maybe even literature ...
Just that there's too much bull****, e.g. there's a popular book about steroids called the "black book" but they say in there e.g. stuff like do PCT with Tribulus and Creatine only or that Zinc is an aromatase reductor.
 
Look at the structure of most AIs... No mention of a methyl.

A good site?!?!? WTF man!!! This is a great site to learn a BUNCH on. Research is done by reading logs to learn what others with more experience are doing... Troll the anabolic section here, along with cycle info and pct section. That is how you learn.

So u probably didn't do enough research for your pulse and that's why you didn't get the results you desire. Epi, havoc and estane are all the same compound. Dud you run ur pulse 2on 2off? Or every other day? What dosage were I running? How long did you run?

If you don't know how to setup a proper pct then you shouldn't uses aas.
 
EnemyCarbs said:
Not going to stack 11-Test with MDrol. MDrol cycle will be much later.
AI is not 17aa? Ok didn't know that. So do you recommend taking an AI like JuicedUp said?

Epistane ... well, I don't think that when I used it I put it to good use but it didn't meet my expectations, so I ain't going to use it again.
Probably sometime I'll try Havoc as some ppl say it's better than Epi or at least better than E-Stane. Not now or in the next months though.
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if you didnt respond to epi, dont try havoc. same compound.
AI is not methylated, novedex xt is fine for u.

.. I don't think people use 11-oxo as a standalone, more of a bridge, leaning/anti-cortisol kinda hormone.
My suggestion to you is to either go with the M-drol cycle with the PCT i suggested above, or look into P-plex, Tren, and H-drol and come to me with questions.

good day.
 
o and i agree with liftingstud... lets see your diet, your workout routine you used while on epistane.

lets figure what part your missing.. and when i say diet i wanna hear your grams of protein carbs and fat.
 
All right ... there we got some misunderstandings. I'll make a list.
First: I will NOT STACK 11-Test with M-Drol!!! I'll take 11-Test as muscle protection during diet (on it right now actually. Will start the day after tomorrow with taking 11-Test)
Second: I DO know that E-Stane, Epistane and Havoc are the same compound. However, ppl say they've noticed a difference in the quality between CEL E-Stane and RPN Havoc, not sure if this involves IBE Epistane though
Third: I will run this cycle earliest in 7 months!! That will be plenty of time to enhance my basic knowledge I think. As you said I'll start by reading on this site.

I took Epistane 2 days on 2 days off. It was quite confusing whether it was weeks or days but since ppl said that the IBE Site had the wrong info I used the 2 days on 2 days off pulse.
What's more, I started with week 1 10mg, then each week 10mg more till 60mg and then till the Epistane was used up (approx. 6 weeks total). I only half-heartedly went out of cycle (by lowering dose) but you could call it a sudden end of cycle as well. Oh and please I know this was totally wrong and ****ty planned, at that time I didn't really think much about it. However I took blood values and everything was ok and I had no side effects either.
I did not run a PCT with a SERM as IBE stated it wasn't necessary when pulsing (on their Epistane site)
Did not follow a strict diet plan during Epistane. Just had some "no-go"s like trans-fats or Junkfood. I know this was wrong too.
Sorry don't remember my training plan, switched several times since then. My current plan can be found in the opening post (2 sets, 6-10 reps each exercise)
At the moment I try to stay at 2 grams of protein per Kilogram of bodyweight, taking in enough essential fatty acids as well as keeping carbs low to get and stay lean.

Is Novedex XT the best AI? (Price/benefit)
 
Umm not exactly sure what you mean by stats as I'm not a native speaker but you probably mean strength data?

note it's kg not lbs
benchpress: 80kg
deadlifts: 102kg
rows: 102kg
squats: 102kg
chin-ups: body-weight
military press: 70kg
 
EnemyCarbs said:
Umm not exactly sure what you mean by stats as I'm not a native speaker but you probably mean strength data?

note it's kg not lbs
benchpress: 80kg
deadlifts: 102kg
rows: 102kg
squats: 102kg
chin-ups: body-weight
military press: 70kg
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ok, i think you should check out test boosters and creatine until you get your bench to >113 kg and your other lifts around the same ratio..

just my opinion. i think you have a lot of natural potential still
 
Ju1cedUp said:
ok, i think you should check out test boosters and creatine until you get your bench to >113 kg and your other lifts around the same ratio..

just my opinion. i think you have a lot of natural potential still
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Tried many supplements and had no effect whatsoever. Especially creatine disappointed me. No, I did not just take some mg, I took 5 grams each day. Tried Glutamine as well with 10 grams each day. Some ppl really like that stuff and say it is effective but I don't respond to it. What works for me a bit is Arginine but it just gives a little pump and vascularity which doesn't exactly make me to Hulk (don't get me wrong I don't expect supps to do that :D)
Beta-Alanine worked on the first day of usage but since then I didn't notice much effect either.
Strength especially in MP and BP is a big deficit of mine which is actually exactly one of the main reasons for me to start a cycle!
As for testo boosters - do they really work? I never tried one but I'm afraid that it's just a placebo. Before I try something I want to know if it is really effective and search for studies. Tribulus e.g. is said to have no effect except for increasing sex drive. Same with Maca.
I once tried Beta Ecdysterone (there's only one study about it - but that one says it's as anabolic as DBol - pure bull**** of course!) and it had no effect except for tasting like crap (no, actually worse)
 
EnemyCarbs said:
Tried many supplements and had no effect whatsoever. Especially creatine disappointed me. No, I did not just take some mg, I took 5 grams each day. Tried Glutamine as well with 10 grams each day. Some ppl really like that stuff and say it is effective but I don't respond to it. What works for me a bit is Arginine but it just gives a little pump and vascularity which doesn't exactly make me to Hulk (don't get me wrong I don't expect supps to do that :D)
Beta-Alanine worked on the first day of usage but since then I didn't notice much effect either.
Strength especially in MP and BP is a big deficit of mine which is actually exactly one of the main reasons for me to start a cycle!
As for testo boosters - do they really work? I never tried one but I'm afraid that it's just a placebo. Before I try something I want to know if it is really effective and search for studies. Tribulus e.g. is said to have no effect except for increasing sex drive. Same with Maca.
I once tried Beta Ecdysterone (there's only one study about it - but that one says it's as anabolic as DBol - pure bull**** of course!) and it had no effect except for tasting like crap (no, actually worse)
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thats dissapointing.. i know one of my friends ran diesel test hardcore standalone and said it definately helped his strength.. also i know ZMA is a good cheap product to help your hormones. check that **** out
 
I meant height and weight...

But it is sooo obvious you have some much more to
learn... Your 20 yrs old stay away from aas right now. You have a lot of natty grow u can do. Supplements are not magic... It still takes knowing your body, knowing how to eat, and long hours of intense hard training. Creatine or glutamine or whatever are not going to blow u up like the "hulk" but they do help u recover quicker, ect. You have sooo much to learn before you start taking aas. Esp ones as powerful as mdrol... And u wanted to stack it?!?!?

I love how people have half a.s training, crappy diet and take a supplemt and think it bunk cause they did magically get huge.

You were not really sure how to pulse but you still did it!!!! You can seriously mess yourself up. These are not tic tacs. For ur pulse u ran 10/20/30/40/50/60 for your dosing? I think that's what u meant. Not a good design for a pulse... Plus a bad diet, plus nit knowing what ur doing = crappy cycle.
 
EnemyCarbs said:
Umm not exactly sure what you mean by stats as I'm not a native speaker but you probably mean strength data?

note it's kg not lbs
benchpress: 80kg
deadlifts: 102kg
rows: 102kg
squats: 102kg
chin-ups: body-weight
military press: 70kg
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So ur rows are the same as ur deadlift and squat?!?!?!!! They can't be bent over bb rows.

You have soooo much more natty growth.

What's ur daily diet like? Maybe you should start to eat some carbs to help you grow.
 
I'll stay natural a while longer and try to increase my knowledge until at some point I start a cycle with whatever (I'll see it then).
Probably even testosterone enanthate e7d for 20 weeks. Tamoxifen against bitchtits and clomifene as PCT. But that shouldn't matter now, that's just some future idea.
Anyway thx for the input so far.
 
EnemyCarbs said:
I'll stay natural a while longer and try to increase my knowledge until at some point I start a cycle with whatever (I'll see it then).
Probably even testosterone enanthate e7d for 20 weeks. Tamoxifen against bitchtits and clomifene as PCT. But that shouldn't matter now, that's just some future idea.
Anyway thx for the input so far.
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WTF?!?!? Test e ever 8 days???? Dude you are sooo out of your element... You really have tons to learn!!!
 
Ummm no it's every seven days. And that's common usage. Another way would be to use it e5d or e6d.
Propionate would be used ed or every second day.
I ain't wrong with that dude. If u don't believe me look it up.
 
EnemyCarbs said:
Ummm no it's every seven days. And that's common usage. Another way would be to use it e5d or e6d.
Propionate would be used ed or every second day.
I ain't wrong with that dude. If u don't believe me look it up.
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if i were you i just wouldn't even speak of how you would run that cycle until u learn how to get your maxes up and ur gains naturally
 
EnemyCarbs said:
Ummm no it's every seven days. And that's common usage. Another way would be to use it e5d or e6d.
Propionate would be used ed or every second day.
I ain't wrong with that dude. If u don't believe me look it up.
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ummm u can but usually it's 2 inj a wk with 250mg of test e each inj which means 500mg a wk. This is to keep consistant blood levels of test. Now my friend u please look it up.
 
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