MaxGolf
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Yes the TRS would be a very effective PCT for that cycle.
The Definitive guide to Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)
- Thread starter Eric Potratz
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Yes the TRS would be a very effective PCT for that cycle.
dustin06MR
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dustin06MR
Member
on hand, or use one? and everyone says to taper them too? is that correct? I read this whole thread and i got out of it that SERMS can be more harm than good.
dustin06MR
Member
on hand, or use one? and everyone says to taper them too? is that correct? I read this whole thread and i got out of it that SERMS can be more harm than good.
Iron Lungz
Banned
What? Well, you clearly have not researched that fully. Not every person can tolerably use substances’ like such in a healthy manner, regardless of the dose.
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
You could probably get away without any PCT at all. 4 week cycles are easy to recover from... and in this case the TRS would be more than enough.
Things get more complicated when you start going out 6, 8, 12, and 16 weeks... testes have a much harder time recovering from cycles like that.
BTW, this is NOT a recommendation to not run PCT after a 4 week cycle, just an observation that I see for most healthy men.
-Eric
Things get more complicated when you start going out 6, 8, 12, and 16 weeks... testes have a much harder time recovering from cycles like that.
BTW, this is NOT a recommendation to not run PCT after a 4 week cycle, just an observation that I see for most healthy men.
-Eric
Iron Lungz
Banned
Which is the reason that blood work is a smart decision for before / during / post if possible.
dustin06MR
Member
your post and the one before this, have summed it up for me, in regards to SERM's and PCT. Finally a very straight forward answer! Thanks!
Trauma1
Legend
Are you going to bridge this?
dustin06MR
Member
Ive decided to run either the s-drol, or M-drol solo on my next cycle due to lack of experience with the SD compound. In the future i would like to, and have the supplements available. Thats why i was asking. the opinions and information is very mixed regarding PCT. Ive been reading every thread i can find on here for a "definitive" answer and so far this thread is the closest thing i have found. any more suggestions?
Ninjo
Well-known member
Low dose of Clomid being what exactly, 50mg/day?? for how long???
My typical protocol is to run 100mg for three days, then 50mg for the next four, then switch to Nolva on Day 8 of PCT at 20mg/day for a week or two (depends on cycle duration and compound(s) used) before tapering to 10mg/day for the final week.
qwerty33
Well-known member
sounds legit, in the past i have ran 50/25/25/25 clomi only but your plan i will prob use in my next pct.
why not throw the nolva in from day 1?
Phera 10/10/10/10/10
h-drol 50/75/75/75/75
or maby do epi-tren
Ninjo
Well-known member
I have considered running Nolva at 20mg from day 1 alongside the Clomid in the past but only if any symptoms arose (e.g. itchy nipples)...the rationale being that both SERMs are potent drugs not without side effects so running one at a time is preferable imo...the Clomid kickstarts my test production and the Nolva is insurance against any unwanted complications from estrogen rebound
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
25mg/day would be considered a "low" dose which is what I recommend if clomid is your only option.
There is no data (or any reason) why stacking two SERMs would provide additional benefit. In fact there is just as good of reason to assume it would be counter productive.
Again, I would choose toremifene first, then nolva and then clomid as a last option.
-Eric
Ninjo
Well-known member
Agreed...Toremifene would be my first choice...if I could get my hands on it, that is
dustin06MR
Member
so survey says... run a SERM with SD. im starting to grasp the concept a little better and i also would like to try the TRS stack in my upcoming cycle. Hopefully it will still be available when i can purchase it
qwerty33
Well-known member
why wouldnt it be avail?
also what dose would you rec of torem? and does it need to be tapered.
Softballer13
New member
Hey all. Came across this when doing my studying for my PCT. I did a cycle of Havoc in December 2007 and then 3-AD last December. After talking to a lot of people, I'm hearing that AAS are probably safer than the orals/PH's out there.
I have a connection and so far have come up with this:
Weeks 1-16 500mg Test E
Weeks 1-15 600mg Eq
Weeks 18-21 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/40/20/20
I'm seeing this hcg and don't know much about it. Seems like it's something I should add on cycle and this TRS shouldn't hurt either..??
Anyway, I'm 6'4" 240lbs. Open to advice and suggestions. Thank you.
I have a connection and so far have come up with this:
Weeks 1-16 500mg Test E
Weeks 1-15 600mg Eq
Weeks 18-21 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/40/20/20
I'm seeing this hcg and don't know much about it. Seems like it's something I should add on cycle and this TRS shouldn't hurt either..??
Anyway, I'm 6'4" 240lbs. Open to advice and suggestions. Thank you.
qwerty33
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Eric Potratz
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Yes, you want to shoot hCG during that cycle.
The TRS would be used for PCT, along with the Tamoxifen (nolva) at 20mg/day for 4 weeks.
-Eric
Trauma1
Legend
Without a doubt you'll want to add hcg in with that cycle; if not, you're going to have a really tough time with recovery aspects.
Trauma1
Legend
I definitely think that's a very good idea. What are the specific questions that I can help you with?
juice3320
Banned
Hey Trauma, I have a quick question regarding the PCT. I am planning on doing it after an injectable 10 week test cyp/dbol cycle and I noticed that the SERMs on your PCT chart seem kind of low dosed? Would you recommend upping the dose or should this be sufficient?
Trauma1
Legend
I have a very similar 12-14 weeker (Sust/Dbol/hcg) planned for early next year. Which SERM do you plan to use?
juice3320
Banned
Ok, wow sounds like a solid stack :thumbsup: I was debating on sust but since this is my first cycle I stuck with good ole test. I have Clomid and Nolva
juice3320
Banned
Sust is basically a test ****tail
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
These are the doses I recommend as having the best effectiveness to side-effect ratio. A higher dose may yield slightly high T levels, but would sacrifice liver health, sex drive, well-being, ect.
-Eric
juice3320
Banned
Oh ok. I just noticed that the doses for clomid therapy among other things were much higher. The first day of clomid would be 300mgs followed by 100mgs/day that first week and etc. Thanks for your help.
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
The topical products are going to keep absorbing for at least 24 hours if you keep them on that long. Sustain Alpha isnt really a "pre-workout" type supplement. Its just best to take it after a shower.
-Eric
dustin06MR
Member
Trauma, you have a PM!
Trauma1
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qwerty33
Well-known member
quick question erik, torem is your number one rec serm. Do most people react well and restart there htpa from torem?
I have used clomi in the past with good success but i had back pains while i was on it. Would like to switch this time around.
Trauma1
Legend
There is no way to say for certain as research analysis is scarce at best with some SERM's. Torem is considered to be the better option, but there is much less research available to support the fact at this time. I still consider Torem to be your best option for a SERM at this time.
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Legend
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qwerty33
Well-known member
Prim, torem is your number 1 serm. I am about to place an order for my upcoming AX phera cycle and 2nd cycle spawn down the road. Will torem at 40mg do the trick with both of these? Also i assume you have seen blood work from torem? My friends rec clomi but let me know.
Thanks
Thanks
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Yes, studies on Toremifene have been done before, its just as effective as nolva for PCT purposes, but safer.
Its going to be superior to Clomid too, as I talk about in my SERM article -
-Eric
qwerty33
Well-known member
one last thing on torem, tren pct advice points to clomi because some say that nolva can cause gyno because of it its reaction (upregulating) w/ the pr receptor or something. would torem ask like nolva in this situation?
2nd if i were to run a sd/phera bridge would the TRS + torem (40mg) recover me fine or should i up the serm higher?
SD: 10/20/20
Pher:0/ 0/ 20/20/20
2nd if i were to run a sd/phera bridge would the TRS + torem (40mg) recover me fine or should i up the serm higher?
SD: 10/20/20
Pher:0/ 0/ 20/20/20
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Toremifene could do the same thing, in fact there is no research to say clomid isnt doing the same thing too. (although probably less likely because of its estrogenic metabolites)
That would be more than enough for the cycle you outlined.
-Eric
Ninjo
Well-known member
Why are you putting the wetter compound (i.e. Phera) in the latter half of your cycle? Just wondering cause I would have thought it would be better to use Phera in the first half to get the gains going and then switch to SD to dry out the gains.
bulldogz
Active member
I was wondering this as well...thought PP is wet...2 years ago I did an PP/SD bridge...bloat at first but dried out at the end...keep most if not all except the water weight...mine looked like this...
wk1: PP 20mg
wk2: PP 20mg
wk3: PP 10mg/SD 10mg
wk4: SD 20mg
wk5: SD 20mg
bulldogz
Active member
Didn't messure myself...but I started at ~215 and during cycle was up to ~228, ended up with between 223-225...but I felt huge during cycle...even people around me told me I looked big...after pct didn't look as big, but sure packed on some nice muscle...so stackin this way worked for me...gonna run this same cycle in about 2 weeks.... :veryhappy:
I had and still have the original PP from AX so I don't know what good clones are out there bro, sorry...