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I have been wondering what kind of effect all of these steriods (real gear and prohormones) actually do to our hearts and internal organs. I just read a thread were a guy said that he read that you can get a buldge in your gut from your internal organs. Now I have often thought about this while on cycle. If these "supplements" cause every other muscle to blow up with huge pumps and intake of water retention, isnt your heart doing the same thing? I have done real gear and prohormones. Mdrol being the one with the most sides.

Any thoughts?
 
Page 664 of the Bodybuilding Encyclopedia is where the anabolic steroid section starts. It shows a bunch of pics of the distended belly. Im not a pro but these pics are their. It was just a thought and not sure how much these guys used to get like that. I was just trying to pass a suggestion around.
 
Heart hypertrophy can be detected by an ECG, I think the US guys call it an EKG.

The width of the QRS complex shows hypertrophy, I think!

I read the this may be reversible with medication.
 
Yeah we call it EKG or ECG and yes QRS width can detect levels of hypertrophy.. however it should be stated that myocardial muscle (heart muscle) is really unlike skeletal muscle! And hypertrophy from heart muscle usually comes from the heart pumping blood against higher pressures (pulmonary hypertension causes RV hypertrophy and clogged arteries can cause LV hypertrophy etc)

Proper cardio and a healthy diet can maintain healthy hearts so do NOT neglect them!!
As for the gut I've never seen this and it intrigues me- i'm gonna be doin some research thx!
 
I have heard that the heard does enlarge while on but can return to normal while off. Let's not forget that Arnold needed heart surgery an yes, of o course he is going to say it was genetic.
 
luclyluciano said:
I have heard that the heard does enlarge while on but can return to normal while off. Let's not forget that Arnold needed heart surgery an yes, of o course he is going to say it was genetic.
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He had his aortic heart valve replaced. The condition is said to have been congenital(born with it) because he had a bicuspid aortic valve (has 2 valve "leaflets" instead of the normal 3).

Some of the problems that MAY occur with steroid use can be due to cholesterol and blockage of the very small coronary arteries.
 
Heart and skeletal muscle are 2 completely different tissues. The risk for HCM usually comes from prolonged hypertension and hypercholestemia. As previously said, year-round cardio and lipid monitoring are the best routes to avoid this.

Also, the "BBer gut" is generally due to 2 things: stomach distention and VAT. The amounts of food eaten is very, very high and androgen use has been linked to increased VAT accumulation.
 
Rodja said:
Heart and skeletal muscle are 2 completely different tissues. The risk for HCM usually comes from prolonged hypertension and hypercholestemia. As previously said, year-round cardio and lipid monitoring are the best routes to avoid this.

Also, the "BBer gut" is generally due to 2 things: stomach distention and VAT. The amounts of food eaten is very, very high and androgen use has been linked to increased VAT accumulation.
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I think MD has stated it's from HGH.
 
luclyluciano said:
I think MD has stated it's from HGH.
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When you look at it from a analytical stance, there is no way that the GI has had that much growth without major, major distress. Think of it this way: look at your stomach when it's empty and then after you've eaten at a buffet. Generally, there is GI distress is some form or fashion and, in extreme cases, the stomach presses against the lungs. Now amplify that over the entire region. This amount of internal organ growth is several times the baseline size. Androgen use, which are used in high doses especially pre-contest, has been linked to increased VAT.
 
JOKERXX said:
I have been wondering what kind of effect all of these steriods (real gear and prohormones) actually do to our hearts and internal organs. I just read a thread were a guy said that he read that you can get a buldge in your gut from your internal organs. Now I have often thought about this while on cycle. If these "supplements" cause every other muscle to blow up with huge pumps and intake of water retention, isnt your heart doing the same thing? I have done real gear and prohormones. Mdrol being the one with the most sides.

Any thoughts?
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steroids can enlarge your heart, and some designer steroids are much better in doing that than others. Pheraplex is such a bad boy that will let your heart grow more than you'd appreciate it.

problem is that heart enlargement can worsen the nutritional state of heart muscle cells and - if excessive - could ultimately end in dysfunction of valves and myocardial insufficiency.

why do you think Arnold Schwarzenegger had to do heart surgery?
 
Robbo said:
Heart hypertrophy can be detected by an ECG, I think the US guys call it an EKG.

The width of the QRS complex shows hypertrophy, I think!
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It's not the width of the QRS complex but rather the so called "Sokolov-index" that indicates left ventricular hypertrophy.

Anyways, ECG is by far not the best way to detect heart enlargement. It is not very sensitive nor very accurate in qunatifying this condition. For this specific purpose, heart ultrasound (echokardiography) would be the best method.
 
I am at the end of a SPAWN pulse. As of yesterday I could feel my heart beating, not beating faster, just beating. This morning as I wrote this I feel an actual soreness behind my sternum. My heart feels sore with every beat! Anyone experience this? Any thing to be concerned with? Shouls I take aspirin?
 
luclyluciano said:
I am at the end of a SPAWN pulse. As of yesterday I could feel my heart beating, not beating faster, just beating. This morning as I wrote this I feel an actual soreness behind my sternum. My heart feels sore with every beat! Anyone experience this? Any thing to be concerned with? Shouls I take aspirin?
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Considering your age, you will be more susceptible to heart/BP issues and need to take far more caution, especially if there is a history of early deaths and/or hypertension in your family.
 
luclyluciano said:
I am at the end of a SPAWN pulse. As of yesterday I could feel my heart beating, not beating faster, just beating. This morning as I wrote this I feel an actual soreness behind my sternum. My heart feels sore with every beat! Anyone experience this? Any thing to be concerned with? Shouls I take aspirin?
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i can usually feel my heart beating and im not on anything, sometimes i can see it beat through my shirt just a little. i just figured my body hates me
 
luclyluciano said:
I am at the end of a SPAWN pulse. As of yesterday I could feel my heart beating, not beating faster, just beating. This morning as I wrote this I feel an actual soreness behind my sternum. My heart feels sore with every beat! Anyone experience this? Any thing to be concerned with? Shouls I take aspirin?
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Your heart hurts, that sucks
 
Rodja said:
When you look at it from a analytical stance, there is no way that the GI has had that much growth without major, major distress. Think of it this way: look at your stomach when it's empty and then after you've eaten at a buffet. Generally, there is GI distress is some form or fashion and, in extreme cases, the stomach presses against the lungs. Now amplify that over the entire region. This amount of internal organ growth is several times the baseline size. Androgen use, which are used in high doses especially pre-contest, has been linked to increased VAT.
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Oh and what does VAT stand for, I am not familiar...

Also usually once every 12-24 months I do a colin cleanse, this helps with "flattening" the belly, check out colinix if anyone is interested, just be prepared for the pictures!
 
jayts22 said:
Oh and what does VAT stand for, I am not familiar...

Also usually once every 12-24 months I do a colin cleanse, this helps with "flattening" the belly, check out colinix if anyone is interested, just be prepared for the pictures!
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VAT=Visceral Adipose Tissue

Eating plenty of produce and the occasional laxative are all that you need.
 
ive heard people can loose like 10-15 pounds on colon cleansers. not sure if theres any truth to that but if so... thats like dropping a weight class in powerlifting :)
 
Rodja said:
VAT=Visceral Adipose Tissue

Eating plenty of produce and the occasional laxative are all that you need.
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Dude I eat so much veggies it is crazy, still not enough IMO, once you do a "legitimate" colin cleanse, not one of the crappy ones, and you see the monsters that come our of you that have been stucked to the twist and turns of your GI track, you will understand

I mean seriously, the things you see will make you sick, you will not believe they were lodged inside you body
 
I just felt a little chest pain on one of those preworkout drinks. I wasn't gonna complain, but I saw this thread and thought it was meant to be.
 
jayts22 said:
Dude I eat so much veggies it is crazy, still not enough IMO, once you do a "legitimate" colin cleanse, not one of the crappy ones, and you see the monsters that come our of you that have been stucked to the twist and turns of your GI track, you will understand

I mean seriously, the things you see will make you sick, you will not believe they were lodged inside you body
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Can you recommend a product for this? Thanks!
 
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