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Epistane for PCT?

henryhavoc

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I was curious about what exactly companies put in their over the counter PCT products. I found this today:

Raise Testosterone Levels & Suppress Estrogen!
Designed to restore the delicate hormonal balance and prevent muscle loss after any hormonal anabolic cycle.

ArimeDexin PCT will boost and elevate testosterone production and will suppress estrogen receptors in the body.

Supplement Facts:

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60

Amount Per Serving:
Maca Root (4:1 Extract) 250mg
Epimedium 100mg
Eurycoma Longfolia 100mg
Avena Sativa 100mg
N-Acetyl Cysteine 50mg
2a, 3a-Epithio-17a-Methyl- 5a- Androstan-17b-0l 5mg
1,4,6 Etioallocholan-Dione 5mg
3,17 Ketoetiochol-Triene 5mg
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Thoughts?
 
What? Is there a ****ing problem with asking? I understand epi has been used to supposedly treat gyno, but I was surprised to see it in an over the counter pct product at such a low dose.
 
Maybe I should be more clear...

I DO NOT USE OTC PCT. I'm not an idiot. I use a real PCT with every cycle, and there's no way in hell I would ever buy something like this. I was asking about what exactly a low dose of epi is supposed to do in PCT.
 
No need for an attitude. An androgen for a PCT will, of course, bind to androgen receptors in which case will cause the interstitial cells of the testes to produce less testosterone since the chemoreceptors monitor androgen saturation.
 
your not crazy a lot of people just rehash the same things they hear from others to tell you the truth pct isnt even as necessary as people make it out to be its only a recent invention not saying you shouldnt do pct but dorian yates and everybodybuilder before him never did. It was common to run a oral with a short halflife like d-bol once in the morning to allow hormones to return to close to normal with out losing a lot of muscle. Epistane has a short half life so it would be ideal say 5mg in the morning would be anti catabolic while allowing test to return somewhat to baseline
 
russy_russ said:
No need for an attitude. An androgen for a PCT will, of course, bind to androgen receptors in which case will cause the interstitial cells of the testes to produce less testosterone since the chemoreceptors monitor androgen saturation.
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Sincere apologies my man, I've had the worst day of my life today.

chess315 said:
your not crazy a lot of people just we hash the same things they hear from others to tell you the truth pct isnt even as necessary as people make it out to be up until its only a recent invetion not saying you shouldnt do pct but dorian yat3es and everybodybuilder before him never did. It was common to run a oral with a short halflife like d-bol once in the morning to allow hormones to return to close to normal with out losing a lot of muscle. Epistane has a short half life so it would be ideal say 5mg in the morning would be anti catabolic while allowing test to return somewhat to baseline
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Interesting. Thanks!
 
chess315 said:
your not crazy a lot of people just we hash the same things they hear from others to tell you the truth pct isnt even as necessary as people make it out to be up until its only a recent invetion not saying you shouldnt do pct but dorian yat3es and everybodybuilder before him never did. It was common to run a oral with a short halflife like d-bol once in the morning to allow hormones to return to close to normal with out losing a lot of muscle. Epistane has a short half life so it would be ideal say 5mg in the morning would be anti catabolic while allowing test to return somewhat to baseline
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This is not a 'good' idea. There are many cortisol blockers which can be taken and would avoid the limited testosterone production.

Also, you forgot to consider dosing directions. Let's speculate and say 1 serving / day. That would mean there would be a constant binding state of the androgenic metabolite to the receptor. Therefore, limiting testosterone production by directly decreasing LH production.
 
you would not epistane or d-bol only has about a 6hr life so your body would be androgen free 15 or more hours plus your it has something to do with your morning horomone levels to I dont know why I just know its supposed to be 5mgs in the morning I'm actually suprised more people dont know this stuff search dianabol brige or somethine it will explain it but epistane should actually work better in theory because of its anti estrogen properties I've heard of people using it that way but you know pct is gospel now so you would be shot down even metioning such a thing
 
I must admit due to the current PCT thinking I still have the correct PCT available. But am experimenting more and more with lighter natural PCT's, as many PCT meds can have serious side effects and in the case of Nolva is more toxic than AAS. For me I have tapered off both Epi and Mdrol and recovered very well, in this fashion. So it makes me think. I started training in the early 80's and knew many BBer's including top level BBer's who were heavy AAS users, I only know of one that had Gyno and this was when PCT was never followed, all stayed pretty big too if they trained hard and diet was good when they came off. Gyno seems so much more common now. Was it the fact that the AAS was pharma grade and you knew what you were taking? I have also heard numerous knowledgeable people discuss the possibility that Nolva and PCT meds used over time can increase the risk of Gyno, once you have come off.
 
chess315 said:
you would not epistane or d-bol only has about a 6hr life so your body would be androgen free 15 or more hours plus your it has something to do with your morning horomone levels to I dont know why I just know its supposed to be 5mgs in the morning I'm actually suprised more people dont know this stuff search dianabol brige or somethine it will explain it but epistane should actually work better in theory because of its anti estrogen properties I've heard of people using it that way but you know pct is gospel now so you would be shot down even metioning such a thing
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You don't know, but you think you do huh? Are you a chemist? Probably not, therefore you probably don't know the exact duration of the half life of epistane. Now, let's speculate for a minute and say just because half the molecule is gone and it 'unbinds to the androgen receptor also, which it doesn't immediately' you would still have a slight amount left in the blood stream to be picked up by more androgen receptors (even at an 8 hour half life at 5mg/day). This would accumulate daily. There are much better alternatives for PCT than this.
 
I do it.. Epi was the only thing which removed my gyno- hence I beleive in it's anti-estrogen capabilities. If I'm having gyno problems, I do 10mg ED until they reside, then down to 10mg EOD for an extra week- all the while using Nolva 20mg ED. Once my Epi run is done then I go with a test booster.. Usually T-911 since I've had quality gains from it as a standalone and again- it works for me. Nolva continued at 20mg ED until PCT run is over.

Its your body man don't let people on the internet tell you what to do with it- of course research yourself but take whats on the net with a grain of salt.. I've NEVER had any problems with this, is it androgenic?- Yes, is it extremely mild?- Yes, (To me at least).

I find it more effective than ATD or and AI on the market at eliminating my gyno problems, so I'll ALWAYS have a bottle or two on hand when I go hormonal.

Also, yes as russruss said- there are MUCH better PCT options than EPI, I just wanted you to know it was part of my Gyno problems PCT.. for PCT without gyno I just go the testbooster/Nolva route- it works just fine.
 
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