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4-AD + 1-T

ShakesAllDay

ShakesAllDay

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If I had some 4-AD and 1-T powder lying around, what would be some good synergies with the newer DS/PH? Or, maybe a better question would be what to avoid?

I know test/4-AD would be good to run alongside just about anything. What about the 1-T?

Also, how much 4-AD transdermally should a person use to simply mitigate some of the oral PH/DS sides? Not interested in it adding mass with it, just helping with side effects (and prolonging the stash's usefulness).
 
400mg of 4AD trans should alleviate the sides. If I were you, then I'd just run the 2. IMO, nothing on the market comes close to the efficacy of these and without liver sides as well.
 
Rodja said:
400mg of 4AD trans should alleviate the sides. If I were you, then I'd just run the 2. IMO, nothing on the market comes close to the efficacy of these and without liver sides as well.
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I hear ya. But, I broke out in an aweful rash last time I used 1-T transdermally.

Is there any method to replicate the old oral 1-T products (like Mag 10, 1-TU, etc.)? Maybe mix it with some kind of oil in a cap? I know oral bioavailability is low, but I'd rather deal with that than the horrid rash.

Sad thing is, I've got quite a bit of 1-T vs. not as much 4-AD.

Really, it may be in my benefit to run low-dose 4-AD alongside an oral DS. That would prolong the usefulness of the stash I have instead of just shooting my wad through one cycle of 4-AD/1-T and struggling through a few oral cycles.

Interested in all thoughts wrt oral 1-T.
 
The only TD carriers I can find are Penetrate, which is currently out of stock, and PP's Topical Solution. I think they are both the same thing.

Anyone know if there is anyone still making the Avant/Dermabolics carrier?
 
Sweet. I may be getting some bottles of the old school dermabolics carrier.

I'm thinking 150-200mg 4-AD and 200-400mg 1-T per day.
 
Rodja said:
Switch those dosages.
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Reasoning?

I had the 1-test higher than the 4-ad because I'm going to use it to cut. I want just enough 4-ad to mitigate a bit of the lethargy and libido issues w/ 1-T. I've read that a good ratio for cutting is 2:1 1-T:4-AD.

Plus, remember, I'm limited on my 4-ad (probably 5g) and I want to stretch it out as much as possible. I've got plenty of 1-T.

At 150mg/day, I have enough 4-AD to last 33 days.

Thanks for the help. Keep the suggestions/thoughts coming. :thumbsup:

edit: I could low-dose both... say 4-ad@150mg and 1-T@200mg alongside something like "tren".
 
ShakesAllDay said:
Reasoning?

I had the 1-test higher than the 4-ad because I'm going to use it to cut. I want just enough 4-ad to mitigate a bit of the lethargy and libido issues w/ 1-T. I've read that a good ratio for cutting is 2:1 1-T:4-AD.

Plus, remember, I'm limited on my 4-ad (probably 5g) and I want to stretch it out as much as possible. I've got plenty of 1-T.

At 150mg/day, I have enough 4-AD to last 33 days.

Thanks for the help. Keep the suggestions/thoughts coming. :thumbsup:

edit: I could low-dose both... say 4-ad@150mg and 1-T@200mg alongside something like "tren".
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The old S1+ had it in a 2:1 ratio of 4AD:1T.
 
Rodja said:
The old S1+ had it in a 2:1 ratio of 4AD:1T.
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Yeah, I recall that. I just don't have enough 4-AD to do that.

Hmmm...

I have enough 4-AD to run 2 weeks at 400mg/day. Or 4-weeks at 200mg/day.

I'm not looking to gain w/ the 4-AD, only to mitigate sides.

You think going balls out at 400mg for a short time would be better than 200mg for the whole cycle? :privateeye:
 
ShakesAllDay said:
Yeah, I recall that. I just don't have enough 4-AD to do that.

Hmmm...

I have enough 4-AD to run 2 weeks at 400mg/day. Or 4-weeks at 200mg/day.

I'm not looking to gain w/ the 4-AD, only to mitigate sides.

You think going balls out at 400mg for a short time would be better than 200mg for the whole cycle? :privateeye:
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If you have 2 transport matrices, then make separate solutions and adjust as necessary depending of sides.
 
Rodja said:
If you have 2 transport matrices, then make separate solutions and adjust as necessary depending of sides.
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That's what I plan on doing. I'm getting 4oz bottles. I'll make a bottle of 1-T and 4-AD.

Good idea on using 4-AD as needed. That sounds like a plan!!!

So, onto another topic. I would like to run an oral alongside the 1-T. Any thoughts on which may be a good candidate?

I have:

superdrol
phera
epistane
tren
boldione
H-drol
MMv2
M1-P (haha)

Thanks again for your input, Rodja. I'd rep you more but I have to spread the love first.
 
ShakesAllDay said:
That's what I plan on doing. I'm getting 4oz bottles. I'll make a bottle of 1-T and 4-AD.

Good idea on using 4-AD as needed. That sounds like a plan!!!

So, onto another topic. I would like to run an oral alongside the 1-T. Any thoughts on which may be a good candidate?

I have:

superdrol
phera
epistane
tren
boldione
H-drol
MMv2
M1-P (haha)

Thanks again for your input, Rodja. I'd rep you more but I have to spread the love first.
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Something mild as the nutrient repartitioning from the trans mixes is going to be intense.
 
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