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Winstrol and Jump training

hli1022

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Hey guys,

I am thinking about running a 6 week winstrol only cycle to gain a few inches on my vertical since basketball season is coming up. I was wondering about your thoughts on that. In addition, does anyone know about the side affects of winstrol. i been looking online everywhere but still very little results. And would you guys recommend anything other than winstrol for this?


Thank you
 
Hey what's your cycle history, is this your first? Do you have a PCT lined up as well as on-cycle support supplements? Winstrol has a low aromatization which is good, but some say is wrecks havoc on your blood pressure. As with any AAS, there is HPTA shutdown.
 
hm this is going to be my first cycle. if i actually make some good gains then i have some dnp in storage as PCT. as to on cycle support, im not sure what i should take while on winstrol. most people tell me that its going to hard on the joints, thus glucosamine and EPA fat maybe.
 
hli1022 said:
hm this is going to be my first cycle. if i actually make some good gains then i have some dnp in storage as PCT. as to on cycle support, im not sure what i should take while on winstrol. most people tell me that its going to hard on the joints, thus glucosamine and EPA fat maybe.
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DNP=dinitrophenol? If so, DNP is not PCT. You need an anti-estrogen and depending on dosage/duration an aromatase inhibitor, as well as a natural test booster. Injectable winstrol isn't too hard on the liver/kidneys so liver/kidney support supps are optional (I use milk thistle as a staple supplement). DNP will hurt your performance on-season and winstrol doesn't cause too much fat gain so it is unnecessary post-cycle. What do you have access to? Are you buying online or do you "know a guy"? Don't post sources just let me know if you have someone reputable.
 
i have a few guys that are reputable, yeah its over the internet. well i have ran two cycles of dnp before. both with okay results. i have read from forums that dnp (dinitrophenol) can serve as a pct. i heard that winstrol tabs are harder on the liver? i really dont want to use the injectable ones. i hate needes. are there any good liver detoxicification supplements? and what do you recommend to keep the joints fluid?

btw thanks for all your help
 
hli1022 said:
i have a few guys that are reputable, yeah its over the internet. well i have ran two cycles of dnp before. both with okay results. i have read from forums that dnp (dinitrophenol) can serve as a pct. i heard that winstrol tabs are harder on the liver? i really dont want to use the injectable ones. i hate needes. are there any good liver detoxicification supplements? and what do you recommend to keep the joints fluid?

btw thanks for all your help
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Hey help is what we are here for. You might want to hold off tho and read some more of the posts out there. DNP is NOT PCT and idk where you read that. You need to put together a cycle with a dosing schedule, diet and training regimen, and PCT. Post it for review.

Winstrol tabs (anything oral) are going to require liver support. Injectable is better and even tho you are understandably nervous this is the route I recommend when you are ready. A winstrol only cycle might not give you what you are looking for tho. I suppose your goals are slightly different but I personally would not run a winstrol only cycle. Plus pre-season cycles IMO always are counter-productive because you are trying to recover from shutdown at the height of the season. I'm a fan of hitting the gear mid-season, when it really counts. If you're trying to build a better body for the sport then do a cycle as far from the beginning of the season as possible.
 
I recommend Creatine (4000mg 2x/wk for wk1 then 5000mg 1x/wk), Whey Protein (20g protein 3x/day), 2x/wk leg routine emphasis on calves and squats, NO2 booster pre-lifting, 8-10hrs. sleep a night is key - multivitamin, fish oil, flaxseed oil, l-lysine, and BCAAs are staple supps for me. Diet should be clean as excess bf will slow you down.
 
wtf you want to gain inches on your vertical so you take a stack, i reallly dont understand stacks and why not just strength train or can someone tell me if stacks actually work.
 
hm, heres my plan:
6 weeks of winstrol alone 25 mg/daily.
supplement with some glucosamine and milk thistle for joint and liver support.
i will throw in some natural testosterone.
Diet will be 50 grams of carbs or less monday thru friday, then two days of carb reload.
protein will be kept at 1.5 x lbm
fat will mainly come from fish oils
total calorie will be kept around 1700 on weekdays.
weekends, 2500 ED.
Weight training will occur three days a week. plyometrics will occur three days a week also usually before my lifts. one or two days of basketball. and minimum of two days of rest.

on a side note: i was wondering if i need anti-estrogen since winstrol is not aromatizing
 
hli1022 said:
hm, heres my plan:
6 weeks of winstrol alone 25 mg/daily.
supplement with some glucosamine and milk thistle for joint and liver support.
i will throw in some natural testosterone.
Diet will be 50 grams of carbs or less monday thru friday, then two days of carb reload.
protein will be kept at 1.5 x lbm
fat will mainly come from fish oils
total calorie will be kept around 1700 on weekdays.
weekends, 2500 ED.
Weight training will occur three days a week. plyometrics will occur three days a week also usually before my lifts. one or two days of basketball. and minimum of two days of rest.

on a side note: i was wondering if i need anti-estrogen since winstrol is not aromatizing
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Dude - You do not have an adequate PCT lined up. If you jump in without research you'll end up with b*tch tits. You need to research more before jumping on cycle. I totally understand wanting to be a competitor next season. I am willing to work with you 1-on-1 to design a cycle that is safe and will help you reach your goals but you gotta be smart about it and thoroughly take your time to research before jumping in.
 
CrazyChemist said:
I am willing to work with you 1-on-1 to design a cycle that is safe and will help you reach your goals but you gotta be smart about it and thoroughly take your time to research before jumping in.
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that would be much appreciated. what would you recommend?

btw i am currently 168 lbs about 13% bf and 5'10.

Thanks
 
hli1022 said:
that would be much appreciated. what would you recommend?

btw i am currently 168 lbs about 13% bf and 5'10.

Thanks
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Ok. 168, 13%bf, 5'10" and a basketball player. I assume most of your goals are BB oriented? How old are you?
 
CrazyChemist said:
Ok. 168, 13%bf, 5'10" and a basketball player. I assume most of your goals are BB oriented? How old are you?
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i am 22 years old this is my last year playing college ball. Yes i would love to be able to make some good gains on my strength and vertical. though if i can shred some fat while im at it, it wont hurt. i been longing to see some six pack
I have also had about 4 years of lifting experience

hm would 20 mg of novladex for 4 weeks be a good choice of pct?
 
CrazyChemist said:
Dude - You do not have an adequate PCT lined up. If you jump in without research you'll end up with b*tch tits. You need to research more before jumping on cycle. I totally understand wanting to be a competitor next season. I am willing to work with you 1-on-1 to design a cycle that is safe and will help you reach your goals but you gotta be smart about it and thoroughly take your time to research before jumping in.
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Curious, what would you recomend for someone dosing winstrol as a good PCT. Was going to do a 8 week cycle and have used clomid in the past but its been years and not sure what would be good.
 
Shogun said:
Curious, what would you recomend for someone dosing winstrol as a good PCT. Was going to do a 8 week cycle and have used clomid in the past but its been years and not sure what would be good.
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A serm, like nolva or clomid is a good start and for an 8 week winstrol pretty good. For the harsher things out there an AI taken after the SERM is important, like arimidex. I always through in a natural test booster, like sustain alpha and for longer/harsher cycles post cycle support as well. Cortisol control is pretty important too so I usually take some lean xtreme throughout PCT. Liver-support while on the SERM or any other oral is always good practice. If you're taking oral winstrol you'll need this throughout.
 
tHIS IS A CRAZY THREAD!!!

Firstly you like CC said you dont have a pct lined up, DNP is not adequate to bring your hormones back up to where they should be after a cycle, when you come off winny your test will be suppressed, you cortisol levels will boom, and your using possibly one of the worst steroids, as winny is DHT based for collagen synthesis, it is believed that winny can cause weak or britol tendons, not something you want as a basketball player.

I think after looking at your goals the truth is you want a 6 pack, and better vj, these are both things that can come through dedication and proper nutrition, not a magic pill, and i might say a poorly chosen one.
Try cissusrx to give your tendons and muscles a boost, but in particular your tendons and ligaments, these are very important with all the pylometric training you need to be doing to increase your vj.
Add in a good creatine like MST cre-02, this will increase vo2 capacity and your muscle atp.
This stack wont hurt your health, but will improve it probably, and add some power, you could always add blue gene as another outstanding performance enhancer, and best of all you wont need a pct, the gains you can keep, you dont risk dht related sides if your prone, and you will thank yourself for not using winny after.
Thats my advice bro, if i could have taken it when i was younger i would have.
 
Winstrol is bad idea for the reasons stated above.

PLUS: No one's mentioned it that Ive seen, but Winstol is the worst drug for this project. For one, it dries out your joints. More importantly, it inhibits cross-linking integrity in tendons, which means it makes them strong in one direction and weak in another. This makes them brittle, so the tendons snap in half under too much stress. This is a specialty of Winstrol and is difficult to repair surgically, often much worse than a muscle tear.

As mentioned above, jumping relies heavily on tendons, and increasing tendon strength. I dont think Winstrol is a good choice because it weakens them.
 
If you want to increase your vertical leap, take it from me, try training a bit with these:

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If you wanna get better at shooting free throws, then shoot more free throws. If you wanna get better at dribbling, then do ball-handling drills......and as my father once told me "if you want to get better at jumping, jump more"....do tip drills, squat jumps, every kinda jumping you can think of.

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Sorry to bump this old thread but I just had a quick few questions, I'm basically going to be doing winni alone also and i was wondering if my cycle looks ok, basically i know winni is not a steroid to put on size and taking test shots with dianbol is but im not looking for that just want to increase/maintain strength while cutting :).

Pre-load just because i wanna, with milk thistle and Hawthorne berry for two weeks

liquid Winni 50mg for six weeks maybe up to 8 depends (not sure what of the mg/ml ratio yet becuase i havent looked at the bottle but i know 50mg ED is standard)
also while on Winnie I will be taking a liver support supp such as milk thistle, if im missing any other vital support supp let me know please.

PCT- will consist of Nolvadex 20/20/20/20

oh and does the daily dosage of 50 mg need to be spread out? i.e. once in the morning and once in the p.m.? or can it all be taken at the same time couldnt really find the answer to that question online.
 
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